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RE: Racism and Islamophobia. - 9/1/2014 11:15:56 AM

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Are you still claiming it's racist to be prejudiced towards adherents of a belief system?

Yes indeed, not that racists get it.

If you were suggesting islamic teorrists are evil shits you would be right, but that isnt the case for most of those telling me I am wrong, is it.

The terrorists are the tip of the iceberg that one sees.

Where does the "terrorist" belief system spring from?

They are the true believers, the observant Muslims, who follow the teachings of the prophet Mohammad

Time for you to hurl more ad hominems now

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RE: Racism and Islamophobia. - 9/1/2014 11:15:56 AM

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So someone who hates christians would also be a racist? What about mormons? If they run around making cracks about magic underpants are you going to call them on their racism?

Could you be any stupider ? Did you not read the post where I said Asians are attacked as Muslims without people asking what religion they believe. Do you not fucking think that in attacking people for having brown skin they are not racists, just islamohobes who have got the wrong target ?

they are not being attacked for having brown skin. they are being attacked for their belief that it you don't accept allah you should be killed. Now as you pointed out, it's still hatred and it's still wrong. But it's not racism.

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It's just that screaming "racist!" is their favorite insult.
They have used it so often and so inappropriately that it is losing effect.
The 21st century equivalent of crying: "Wolf! Wolf!!"

You wish it were losing effect, sadly for you it isnt.

Racism, islamophobia, homophobia, call it what you fucking like but it is ALL venomous hatred spewed against those that are different. If most of you were like me and only hated the terrorist and were able to realise the majority of Muslims were like us, the world would be a better place.

Yes what a shame we aren't all as evolved as you.

What a pompous ass you are.

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RE: Racism and Islamophobia. - 9/1/2014 11:18:49 AM

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You are really trying to argue that all Muslims strictly adhere to the teachings of Mohammad / the Quran?

No I am arguing that many of you who claim to be islamophobic are racist. #

Are you really suggesting every one who identifies as a Christian is a strict adherent ?

We are making progress

Thats right, not all Muslims are Islamic

Now lets work on your strange belief that disliking an evil ideology is the same as racism

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RE: Racism and Islamophobia. - 9/1/2014 11:22:30 AM

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Yes what a shame we aren't all as evolved as you.

What a pompous ass you are.

I get your point, Homophobia is bad but Islamophobia is just fine and dandy.

If anyone is a pompous little shit, you indeed fit the bill.

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RE: Racism and Islamophobia. - 9/1/2014 11:25:34 AM

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We are making progress

Thats right, not all Muslims are Islamic

Now lets work on your strange belief that disliking an evil ideology is the same as racism

Your ignorance shines like a beacon. I fucking told you all Muslims are Islamic, that doesnt mean they are strict adherents.

Remeber this though shithead, each time you post about not being racist you are making my point for me.

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RE: Racism and Islamophobia. - 9/1/2014 11:32:02 AM

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ORIGINAL: Sanity

We are making progress

Thats right, not all Muslims are Islamic

Now lets work on your strange belief that disliking an evil ideology is the same as racism

Your ignorance shines like a beacon. I fucking told you all Muslims are Islamic, that doesnt mean they are strict adherents.

Remeber this though shithead, each time you post about not being racist you are making my point for me.

Politesub,

I could have chosen my words better, adherents is what I meant

"Strict adherents" if you will

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RE: Racism and Islamophobia. - 9/1/2014 11:37:43 AM

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Yes what a shame we aren't all as evolved as you.

What a pompous ass you are.

I get your point, Homophobia is bad but Islamophobia is just fine and dandy.

If anyone is a pompous little shit, you indeed fit the bill.

Homosexuality is not chosen any more than heterosexuality. Furthermore, I am not aware of any major homosexual group that considers heterosexuals infidels who are to be killed. Now, if you have in your possession a book by a gay advocacy organization that is followed by gays to the extent the Quran is followed by Muslims, by all means post the content.

Islam is not chosen. It is not genetic. This is an amazingly simple concept.

It is rather ironic that you chose this dichotomy since Islam hates homosexuals and wants to kill them. Seems to me that alone is a sufficient reason to be Islamophobic.

I have a real simple test for those of you stating that Islam is just fine and dandy, except for Islamists, etc. Exclude Sufis, but go and talk to your Sunni and Shiite friends/acquaintances, etc. and ask them the following questions:

1) Do you consider yourself to be a devout Muslim? If the answer is no, then stop. They're already an apostate.
2) Do you believe the Quran is the Word of God? If the answer is no, then stop. They're already an apostate.

Now the real questions begin.

3) Do you think homosexuality is a sin against God?
4) What do you think should be done with or to homosexuals?
5) What in your opinion is an infidel?
6) Please tell me or give me some examples of who you consider to be infidels -- for example, specifically, for these groups, are they or are they not infidels:
- atheists
- agnostics
- Catholics
- Mainline Protestants
- Evangelical Christians
- Jews
- Hindus
- Buddhists
- Confucians
- Taoists
- Sufis
- transsexuals
- lesbians
- gay men
7) What is your opinion of and attitude toward members of each of these groups. If you were in charge of the country, what would you do with each of these groups.
8) Is suicide bombing ever justified in your opinion? If so, when?
9) Do you consider yourself first to be an American or first to be a Muslim?
10) If you had infinite power, would you prefer our current system of government or would you prefer the establishment of a Caliphate in the United States (or Britain, or wherever you live)
11) What is taqiyya? Do you agree with it or not? Why?

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RE: Racism and Islamophobia. - 9/1/2014 11:40:27 AM

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The stupid notion of some people that racism and Islamophobia are two seperate things is laughable. While some have tried to explain this away by saying race is about colour, it isnt, it is also about type, culture and ethnicity.

I couldn't read past your first 2 sentences because there was literally NOTHING correct in either of them. Nothing. You're either a complete idiot, or you're trolling for a reaction here. If you're serious, I suggest you stop embarrassing yourself like this, and grab a dictionary. You're 180 degrees off on everything you tried to say.

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RE: Racism and Islamophobia. - 9/1/2014 11:48:52 AM

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The stupid notion of some people that racism and Islamophobia are two seperate things is laughable. While some have tried to explain this away by saying race is about colour, it isnt, it is also about type, culture and ethnicity.

I couldn't read past your first 2 sentences because there was literally NOTHING correct in either of them. Nothing. You're either a complete idiot, or you're trolling for a reaction here. If you're serious, I suggest you stop embarrassing yourself like this, and grab a dictionary. You're 180 degrees off on everything you tried to say.

Hopefully if I ever need a dictionary, it wont be yours.

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RE: Racism and Islamophobia. - 9/1/2014 11:49:57 AM

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ORIGINAL: Sanity

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ORIGINAL: Politesub53

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ORIGINAL: Sanity

We are making progress

Thats right, not all Muslims are Islamic

Now lets work on your strange belief that disliking an evil ideology is the same as racism

Your ignorance shines like a beacon. I fucking told you all Muslims are Islamic, that doesnt mean they are strict adherents.

Remeber this though shithead, each time you post about not being racist you are making my point for me.

Politesub,

I could have chosen my words better, adherents is what I meant

"Strict adherents" if you will

To clarify the point, if they're not strict adherents, they're apostates, and therefore according to Islamic teachings not truly Islamic

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RE: Racism and Islamophobia. - 9/1/2014 11:53:20 AM

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ORIGINAL: Politesub53

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Yes what a shame we aren't all as evolved as you.

What a pompous ass you are.

I get your point, Homophobia is bad but Islamophobia is just fine and dandy.

If anyone is a pompous little shit, you indeed fit the bill.

Homosexuality is not chosen any more than heterosexuality. Furthermore, I am not aware of any major homosexual group that considers heterosexuals infidels who are to be killed. Now, if you have in your possession a book by a gay advocacy organization that is followed by gays to the extent the Quran is followed by Muslims, by all means post the content.

Islam is not chosen. It is not genetic. This is an amazingly simple concept.

It is rather ironic that you chose this dichotomy since Islam hates homosexuals and wants to kill them. Seems to me that alone is a sufficient reason to be Islamophobic.

I have a real simple test for those of you stating that Islam is just fine and dandy, except for Islamists, etc. Exclude Sufis, but go and talk to your Sunni and Shiite friends/acquaintances, etc. and ask them the following questions:

1) Do you consider yourself to be a devout Muslim? If the answer is no, then stop. They're already an apostate.
2) Do you believe the Quran is the Word of God? If the answer is no, then stop. They're already an apostate.

Now the real questions begin.

3) Do you think homosexuality is a sin against God?
4) What do you think should be done with or to homosexuals?
5) What in your opinion is an infidel?
6) Please tell me or give me some examples of who you consider to be infidels -- for example, specifically, for these groups, are they or are they not infidels:
- atheists
- agnostics
- Catholics
- Mainline Protestants
- Evangelical Christians
- Jews
- Hindus
- Buddhists
- Confucians
- Taoists
- Sufis
- transsexuals
- lesbians
- gay men
7) What is your opinion of and attitude toward members of each of these groups. If you were in charge of the country, what would you do with each of these groups.
8) Is suicide bombing ever justified in your opinion? If so, when?
9) Do you consider yourself first to be an American or first to be a Muslim?
10) If you had infinite power, would you prefer our current system of government or would you prefer the establishment of a Caliphate in the United States (or Britain, or wherever you live)
11) What is taqiyya? Do you agree with it or not? Why?

I know you are just being obtuse but boi will get what I meant all too well.

Your 11 questions are bullshit dressed as questions, no more and no less. If you expect an answer from me you will have a long wait.

If and when you accept not all Muslims are terrorists and they just want to live life as we do, you mat get a serious debate from me.

Until then, you can jog on.

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RE: Racism and Islamophobia. - 9/1/2014 11:55:02 AM

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No, Muslims aren't necessarily adherents to Islamic teachings, thats the whole point. I agree that it is wrong to prejudge individuals, therefore it is wrong to prejudge Muslims...

By this spurious form of logic you would condem the rape but not the rapist? You would condem the racism but not the racist?You would condem the robbery but not the thief?

However, your anger and your name calling does nothing to address to the points raised.

The only point you have raised is your sophmoric attempt at subverting attention away from your bigotry and into a word game of your peurile construction.

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RE: Racism and Islamophobia. - 9/1/2014 11:57:28 AM

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Hopefully if I ever need a dictionary, it wont be yours.

You believe that you are so all-knowing that you never need a dictionary

Even when well-intentioned people try to point out how you could benefit from the use of one

Seriously, "racism" isn't what you think it is

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RE: Racism and Islamophobia. - 9/1/2014 11:59:51 AM

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Are we discussing Muslims, or Islam?

While some are seeking to address the op you seem to be trying to prove the depths of your ignorance.

While we are all human and therefore alike in may ways just as you write, we are not all Islamic. It has been demonstrated here in this thread and others

No: That moronic drivel has been stated by right wing assholes but not by anyone in the same zip code with sane thought.

that Islamic teachings are exceedingly hateful toward all non-Muslims and that it is appropriate to strongly dislike such a religion.

That christian teachings are exceedingly hateful towards all non christians and that it is appropriate to strongly dislike such a religion.

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RE: Racism and Islamophobia. - 9/1/2014 12:06:54 PM

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that Islamic teachings are exceedingly hateful toward all non-Muslims and that it is appropriate to strongly dislike such a religion.

That christian teachings are exceedingly hateful towards all non christians and that it is appropriate to strongly dislike such a religion.

Cite, please, which Christian scriptures are "exceedingly hateful"? I can't find any in my New Testament edition translations.

ETA: Would they be located anywhere near "Love thy neighbor as thyself"?

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RE: Racism and Islamophobia. - 9/1/2014 12:11:27 PM

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Are we discussing Muslims, or Islam?

While some are seeking to address the op you seem to be trying to prove the depths of your ignorance.

While we are all human and therefore alike in may ways just as you write, we are not all Islamic. It has been demonstrated here in this thread and others

No: That moronic drivel has been stated by right wing assholes but not by anyone in the same zip code with sane thought.

that Islamic teachings are exceedingly hateful toward all non-Muslims and that it is appropriate to strongly dislike such a religion.

That christian teachings are exceedingly hateful towards all non christians and that it is appropriate to strongly dislike such a religion.

You're great at misdirection, thompsonx. You should be a magician. Problem is that today, Muslims are killing Christians by the bucketload. Muslims are engaging in terrorist acts by the bucketload. Muslims are stoning women to death for adultery even if the woman's been raped. Muslims all over the world almost never speak out to condemn such acts, ISIS excepted. Muslims around the world celebrated 9/11. Without going back to the Inquisition, and certainly by sticking to present times, you are shall we say anachronistically challenged. Misdirection is all you have when the facts of what occur today shout and, very often, even provide visuals, as to the actual beliefs of Muslims. The Muslims you're trying to talk about are themselves apostates because they no longer follow the tenets of the religion. Your techniques may work on some, but they certainly don't work on those of us familiar with magic tricks.

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RE: Racism and Islamophobia. - 9/1/2014 12:14:11 PM

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You are really trying to argue that all Muslims strictly adhere to the teachings of Mohammad / the Quran?

No I am arguing that many of you who claim to be islamophobic are racist. #

Are you really suggesting every one who identifies as a Christian is a strict adherent ?

We are making progress

Thats right, not all Muslims are Islamic

Now lets work on your strange belief that disliking an evil ideology is the same as racism

Ok... let's work on that. Shall we???

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ORIGINAL: Merriam Webster
Main Entry:racism
Function:noun
Date:1933

1 : a belief that race is the primary determinant of human traits and capacities and that racial differences produce an inherent superiority of a particular race
2 : racial prejudice or discrimination
–racist \-sist also -shist\ noun or adjective

--- together with ---

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ORIGINAL: Merriam Webster
Main Entry:3) race
Function:noun
Etymology:Middle French, generation, from Old Italian razza
Date:1580

1 : a breeding stock of animals
2 a : a family, tribe, people, or nation belonging to the same stock b : a class or kind of people unified by shared interests, habits, or characteristics *the English race*
3 a : an actually or potentially interbreeding group within a species; also : a taxonomic category (as a subspecies) representing such a group b : BREED c : a category of humankind that shares certain distinctive physical traits
4 obsolete : inherited temperament or disposition
5 : distinctive flavor, taste, or strength

So -
Q: "disliking an evil ideology" would be???
A: racial prejudice or discrimination!
Q: "the same as racism"... as in, based on "race"; would be???
A: people unified by shared interests... as in, following a religion, maybe?

Ergo: disliking an evil ideology IS 'racism'. BINGO!!!

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RE: Racism and Islamophobia. - 9/1/2014 12:14:33 PM

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that Islamic teachings are exceedingly hateful toward all non-Muslims and that it is appropriate to strongly dislike such a religion.

That christian teachings are exceedingly hateful towards all non christians and that it is appropriate to strongly dislike such a religion.

Cite, please, which Christian scriptures are "exceedingly hateful"? I can't find any in my New Testament edition translations.

ETA: Would they be located anywhere near "Love thy neighbor as thyself"?

Obviously, FieryOpal, they're referring to the NT where Jesus says: "Those who do not accept my teachings shall be flayed and beheaded and their families entirely cast, bodies and heads separated, into the crucible of eternal hellfire." Admittedly, that is a bit difficult to source, unlike the hate spewed by Muslims which any 5th grader (to borrow a metaphor from thompsonx) can look up.

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RE: Racism and Islamophobia. - 9/1/2014 12:23:40 PM

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Cite, please, which Christian scriptures are "exceedingly hateful"? I can't find any in my New Testament edition translations.

What was it got gods underware in a bunch so bad he rained fire and brimstone down on a town named after the very concept of pegging? For those who appreciate the sensual manipulation of that orifice that might be considered an "indicator" of sorts that they had made someones "shit list".

ETA: Would they be located anywhere near "Love thy neighbor as thyself"?

I have first hand experience with jurisdictions where that is illegal

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RE: Racism and Islamophobia. - 9/1/2014 12:26:36 PM

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No.
All Muslims are Islamic.
Allegedly, not all Muslims are Islamists (although to be so is required by the Koran).

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