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RE: I'm curious how many of the relationships on here a... - 9/19/2014 12:08:38 PM   
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Here is the communication problem as I see it:


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But in a Master/Slave relationship beyond moral semantics about innate Human equality there is a very specific agreement that one is lesser than the other, it is essentially the entire point.


You are asserting that one is lesser than the other. We disagree on this. Instead, I see them as two sides of the same coin. It is rather hard to be a Master unless you have someone you are mastering. A master needs his slave as much as the slave needs the master. It is a symbiotic relationship.



We already addressed the concept of value in relationships on the first page of this thread.

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RE: I'm curious how many of the relationships on here a... - 9/19/2014 12:09:48 PM   
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Here is the communication problem as I see it:


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But in a Master/Slave relationship beyond moral semantics about innate Human equality there is a very specific agreement that one is lesser than the other, it is essentially the entire point.


You are asserting that one is lesser than the other. We disagree on this. Instead, I see them as two sides of the same coin. It is rather hard to be a Master unless you have someone you are mastering. A master needs his slave as much as the slave needs the master. It is a symbiotic relationship.



We already addressed the concept of value in relationships on the first page of this thread.


So, what do you mean by lesser? Perhaps that is part of the miscommunication.

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RE: I'm curious how many of the relationships on here a... - 9/19/2014 12:12:45 PM   
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ORIGINAL: searching4mysir

Here is the communication problem as I see it:


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ORIGINAL: Aihal

But in a Master/Slave relationship beyond moral semantics about innate Human equality there is a very specific agreement that one is lesser than the other, it is essentially the entire point.


You are asserting that one is lesser than the other. We disagree on this. Instead, I see them as two sides of the same coin. It is rather hard to be a Master unless you have someone you are mastering. A master needs his slave as much as the slave needs the master. It is a symbiotic relationship.



We already addressed the concept of value in relationships on the first page of this thread.


So, what do you mean by lesser? Perhaps that is part of the miscommunication.



That's not really up to me? I would wager most people would apply an imbalance of power; one retains less authority (lesser) than the other.

I'm sure people have their own spins to put on it.


I only said "lesser"; and as I said, it is the essential part of that kind of relationship. I didn't say what the "lesser" had to be. I was speaking conceptually.

Do you perhaps see what I have been getting at now? That you people are putting words into my mouth?

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RE: I'm curious how many of the relationships on here a... - 9/19/2014 12:31:14 PM   
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Here is the communication problem as I see it:


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But in a Master/Slave relationship beyond moral semantics about innate Human equality there is a very specific agreement that one is lesser than the other, it is essentially the entire point.


You are asserting that one is lesser than the other. We disagree on this. Instead, I see them as two sides of the same coin. It is rather hard to be a Master unless you have someone you are mastering. A master needs his slave as much as the slave needs the master. It is a symbiotic relationship.



We already addressed the concept of value in relationships on the first page of this thread.


So, what do you mean by lesser? Perhaps that is part of the miscommunication.



That's not really up to me? I would wager most people would apply an imbalance of power; one retains less authority (lesser) than the other.

I'm sure people have their own spins to put on it.


I only said "lesser"; and as I said, it is the essential part of that kind of relationship. I didn't say what the "lesser" had to be. I was speaking conceptually.

Do you perhaps see what I have been getting at now? That you people are putting words into my mouth?


Perhaps words are being placed in your mouth because you are choosing not to be clear in what you mean.

If we are talking about lesser authority, I'm still not sure what the question actually is. Of course a slave has less authority...because they have chosen to cede that authority to another.

My owner/fiancé and I don't live together at the moment, but that doesn't make me less owned. Before I chose him as my owner, I made sure we were on the same page on all the important matters, including micromanagement. He knows I have a brain and expects me to use it regularly, so there is no need to request permission before eating or going to the bathroom or making a doctors appointment. This being said, I do ask for permission to go out with my friends or to spend money casually (I don't need his permission to pay the copay for my oncologist, for example, or to pay the rent, but if I want a new blouse or pair of shoes, I do) I'll ask for suggestions in regards to reading material when I finish a book so that if there is something in particular he wishes me to read or study it can take priority.


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RE: I'm curious how many of the relationships on here a... - 9/19/2014 12:56:30 PM   
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Perhaps words are being placed in your mouth because you are choosing not to be clear in what you mean.

If we are talking about lesser authority, I'm still not sure what the question actually is. Of course a slave has less authority...because they have chosen to cede that authority to another.

My owner/fiancé and I don't live together at the moment, but that doesn't make me less owned. Before I chose him as my owner, I made sure we were on the same page on all the important matters, including micromanagement. He knows I have a brain and expects me to use it regularly, so there is no need to request permission before eating or going to the bathroom or making a doctors appointment. This being said, I do ask for permission to go out with my friends or to spend money casually (I don't need his permission to pay the copay for my oncologist, for example, or to pay the rent, but if I want a new blouse or pair of shoes, I do) I'll ask for suggestions in regards to reading material when I finish a book so that if there is something in particular he wishes me to read or study it can take priority.



I meant exactly what I said.

Let's spin this around, I'll put myself in all of your positions, and you in mine.

So I read the OP, and I have an idea about what I think they're trying to say. But I'm not sure, they used words that have different meanings in different contexts. So they could be saying multiple things. I'm pretty sure they're saying Z but they might also be saying X, or even Y.

If I just decide, without confirming it, that they are saying Z; and to repeat, I did not ask for clarification...and I did not even make it known that I didn't understand what was being said or that there is a misunderstanding, who's fault is that? What if they're actually saying X? Other people understood they were saying X, but I didn't. Is that my fault, or OPs?

If I am the person who's replying to something, I am taking time out of my life to reply to a post that someone else made, is it my responsibility to understand what I am replying to, or is the burden purely on the OP? Do I have no accountability at all?



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Could I have been more clear with some posts? Sure, but I can't know that ahead of time. I don't know that people aren't understanding what I'm saying until they tell me so; either directly, or until the conversation devolves to the point that there is no other conclusion to make.



And I made a perfectly reasonable first post, it was just asking questions. A few users had absolutely no issue clarifying what I was saying, and to whom I was saying it to.

So what's the excuse for everyone else? Am I only responsible for some of you? What about the people who were responsible for themselves, and asked me questions when they didn't understand?



This proposition that it's my fault because I'm "not being clear" is not the issue here. The issue is that if I wasn't clear to certain people, THEY are obligated to clarify what it is that is unclear to them; they are the ones replying to something, how is it that they rationalize replying to something that they patently don't understand in the first place?

Because they found something that they believe they don't like. They take my words, and they attribute qualities to them; I'm being "rude", or I'm being "condescending" etcetc But they don't just say that, they make an huge paragraph about what they think I'm saying, or what they believe I said, and they attach those comments on as extra. So what am I supposed to do? What they're saying isn't true, I try to clarify what I'm saying, not only are they wrong, but now the conversation is completely off-topic. I try to help them to understand. And then what? Well now I'm being "opinionated", "this 24 year old thinks he knows more than me".

It's. Absolutely. Obscene.

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RE: I'm curious how many of the relationships on here a... - 9/19/2014 1:03:58 PM   
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It's really difficult to put actual numbers to what you are asking about. And no way to be accurate about those numbers either. Per your first post, you were looking at profiles on this site and message boards. And then asking how many do this in real life. Some who live M/s may not even be online, some who claim they live it online actually do live it, and some exist in fantasy. But who am I, you, or anyone else to honestly question the way someone elects to identify him or herself and whether it matches a dictionary definition? Whether two people live together 24/7/365 TPE or are 'weekend warriors'...a slave is still a slave, a Master is still a Master. And it's not up to you to determine whether someone is or isn't what they say they are unless there is a reason...like you plan on getting into a dynamic with them.

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RE: I'm curious how many of the relationships on here a... - 9/19/2014 1:09:47 PM   
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It's really difficult to put actual numbers to what you are asking about. And no way to be accurate about those numbers either. Per your first post, you were looking at profiles on this site and message boards. And then asking how many do this in real life. Some who live M/s may not even be online, some who claim they live it online actually do live it, and some exist in fantasy. But who am I, you, or anyone else to honestly question the way someone elects to identify him or herself and whether it matches a dictionary definition? Whether two people live together 24/7/365 TPE or are 'weekend warriors'...a slave is still a slave, a Master is still a Master. It's an identity, not a costume you put on.


While this would have actually been a very interesting post to respond to, if the rest of this thread hadn't been so dreadful; you bring up a number of interesting things that we could actually discuss. But it's probably not a great idea now.


But other users have already provided their opinions, and that's what I asked for. I asked how many of these relationship were real; in-person. I used the word "real" which some people didn't like (I'm guessing), but I also used a semicolon, and gave that word very specific context. There isn't a way to get supremely accurate numbers, you are probably correct at that. I am interested in certain kinds of relationships, and the people in them, and what those people have to say. I would disagree with your latter sentences, but only in context to what I'm saying and why I'm here on this board at all.

And a few users seem to be of the opinion that most of the posters here are 'real', my kind of real. While most of the profiles are fantasy. And that conclusion seems consistent, at least to me. And I've already had the answer to this thread, this whole time.

I've just been fending off all the people who are riding a little too high in the saddle.

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RE: I'm curious how many of the relationships on here a... - 9/19/2014 2:10:20 PM   
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I understand your point, but that old-fashion way to have a relationship is called abuse now.


No, a 50's style relationship is NOT called abuse now. While less prevalent currently it's still well represented.

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RE: I'm curious how many of the relationships on here a... - 9/19/2014 2:41:10 PM   
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I make a differentiation between Slave and Submissive. No one else here does, is my point. A Slave is submissive, but a Submissive is not a Slave. Submissives agree to soft and hard boundaries of their own design, while Slaves agree to their Master's boundaries. Because the axiom of the Slave is that they have no agency (or at least very, very little compared to Submissives), and they trust their Master to fulfill their needs.

I take issue with this particular piece.
Mainly on the bit about the axiom of a slave having no agency.

Everyone has an individual definition of what they consider a sub or a slave.
I find your definitions to be particularly obtuse, blinkered, somewhat abhorrent and quite frankly, obnoxious!

A slave and a sub do not have separate sets of boundaries.
Whatever a sub may (or may not) agree to is exactly the same as a slave.
The /s decides how much they will give control to the D, and each arrangement is very individual to those within the dynamic.
In both scenarios, the /s trusts the D to fulfill their needs.
There is no difference between the sub/slave in that respect.

For a lot of people, the only difference between a sub and a slave is when that permission/control is handed over; the content of what that entails is virtually identical and discussed/agreed beforehand in both cases.


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RE: I'm curious how many of the relationships on here a... - 9/19/2014 3:53:44 PM   
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I've been browsing this site and the message boards the past few days, and it seems most of these "Master/Slave" relationships are just online fantasies. Not that there's anything wrong with that, mind you.

But I'm curious how many of you Masters actually have a Slave, in real life, that isn't just your submissive spouse?

You ask this question, and people have responded to it the way that they have to in fact answer your question. There are plenty of D/s type relationships where they might get married for whatever reason (some legal), but the dynamic doesn't change. I can speak on this because I lived it myself, and if you want to know why email me and I will tell you. It was just a piece of paper, after the wedding he went right back on his knees...lol So to in fact answer this question for you they had to make the statements that they did because that's how it applies to them and their construct. And as you take offense, I can see where they do as well. How would you like it if someone came in and said that what you're doing isn't (put label here) because it doesn't follow what they believe?

Are they live in Slaves? Is it a 'weekend warrior' thing, where you get to together occasionally, but otherwise lead your normal lives? etc


I've been on this site for quite a few years, and I'm not trying to be mean, just trying to explain a little how the lifestyle works and a little about posting a thread.

I think the main problem here is not that we don't understand what you meant, it started out we were answering your questions, but we can only answer them as it applies to us, which is what we thought you wanted. We had to address the fact that you can marry a slave so then we could answer your question.

You are kind of hung up on the fact that if the situation is not your way, it's not "real" or "true" and you just can limit your thinking when you are in this lifestyle and more importantly when you post a thread, you have to be open minded. Just like there are tons of different situations/relationships in the vanilla world, it's the same for lifestyle people.

I hope this doesn't inspire more venom I'm just trying to explain a few things, I was new once, but I listened and absorbed everything that I could so that I could be good at what I do and do it safely.

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RE: I'm curious how many of the relationships on here a... - 9/19/2014 7:54:55 PM   
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We had to address the fact that you can marry a slave so then we could answer your question.


Random knowledge from my high school Latin class, the host of this party was married to his slave so it's not a new idea: http://www.amazon.com/The-Millionaires-Dinner-Party-Trimalchionis/dp/0199120250

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RE: I'm curious how many of the relationships on here a... - 9/20/2014 7:30:55 AM   
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I think the problem is that the OP may want to also include the practice of buying, selling, and trading slaves with other Masters. But if a Master is married to his slave, the chances of that happening are next to nil.

And if he can't buy, trade, or sell his slave....is she really "property"? And if she isn't property....then she she isn't....according to HIS definition, a slave.

What he fails to realize is that the definitions of words can change over time according to how they fit a society in its day and age. 300+ years ago, a slave could be something that was bought, sold and traded with no input from the slave. 300+ years ago a Master didn't have as much concern for a slave's well-being. Sure, the Master didn't want all his slaves to die from rampant disease, but if a Master lost a few here and there from injury or disease, it was no skin off his nose....they were just replaced.

So at least in that sense, and at least in the US, he's right....there are no "true slaves"....not legally anyway. Because of it being illegal, we can't use that definition anymore. Unless we want to go to jail.

But what he fails to realize is the other thing that defines the word "slave" is submission and obedience to a Master. In that context, for ANYBODY here to say that anyone else here isn't a slave, the Master of a slave, or in an M/s relationship, is nothing short of rude and presumptuous. While I pretty much ignore people who get their panties in a bunch over someone else's definition of "slave", I have to say that he totally had me saying "WTF???" when he said that a Master and slave couldn't be married and still be a Master and slave. A marriage certificate is simply a legal document that recognizes a partnership in the eyes of the civil "vanilla" law. There is nothing in any marriage license that implies or requires equality of any kind. This is why they have prenuptial agreements. A Master and slave can be married and still have a legal agreement between them where if the union ends the slave is left with no property, a minimum amount of property, or even cared for financially for the rest of her life. The presence or lack of ANY of these documents has no bearing on whether they are Master/slave or vanilla husband/wife.

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RE: I'm curious how many of the relationships on here a... - 9/20/2014 12:40:25 PM   
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We'll do a very simple analogy.

Let's say I work for Microsoft. And in my personal life I like to pretend I am a CEO at Microsoft. Not hurting anyone by pretending, it makes me happier, it gives me confidence.


But I cannot then go into the real world, to a job interview and say "I was a CEO at Microsoft". It would be a lie, blatantly and unarguably not true. No one outside of my personal life is obligated to play along with my nonsense. And I certainly can't say "Well I have the right to define CEO however I want." "By my definition I was in-fact a CEO and you're being rude by suggesting otherwise."

That isn't how the real world works.


And I am not suggesting that anyone isn't allowed to pretend they're CEOs, I am saying it's disingenuous to charade as one, when you're personal life isn't relevant to the topic at hand.


That IS a simple, but not very good analogy. In order to follow your analogy, "real" slave would mean just that... a real slave. A person who has no rights and is property, and who's status as such is acknowledged by and supported by society and government.

"Real" slavery is illegal, and I feel I can safely say that no one here has such a slave, or could have.

The analogy also confuses your meaning of "real". "Real" in the sense of in person, rather than on-line, is not illustrated by your analogy. On-line relationships do exist, and can be as important and impactful to some people as in person relationships... whereas your analogy attempts to compare a pretend situation with an actual one.

By the sound of your OP, it sounds like you had an argument or dispute with someone, and are here begging the question in order to try and get support for your viewpoint, without enlightening us on the nature of the actual issue. Why not simply spell out what your real question is, and be prepared to accept that the room might not agree with you?

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RE: I'm curious how many of the relationships on here a... - 9/20/2014 12:45:31 PM   
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I've been browsing this site and the message boards the past few days, and it seems most of these "Master/Slave" relationships are just online fantasies. Not that there's anything wrong with that, mind you.

But I'm curious how many of you Masters actually have a Slave, in real life, that isn't just your submissive spouse?

Are they live in Slaves? Is it a 'weekend warrior' thing, where you get to together occasionally, but otherwise lead your normal lives? etc



You are trying to put too fine a point on something that has a very broad definition for some people. Please define, for me, what a submissive means to everyone. Please do the same for what a slave means to everyone.

Having a tough time? Websters dictionary be damned, you cannot simply use definitions that are engraved in stone because everyone has a different dynamic. I have a woman with a slave mentality, and yet, she is quite the submissive as well and is developing into a slave.. my definition of one. I don't need to pigeonhole a definition in BDSM because this shit is not a one size fits all dynamic. I am a dominant, I do things in my relationship that the purists would frown upon... like I need their fucking approval to be happy. My dynamic works for me, in real life. I warned my slut a long time ago about using labels in the BDSM world because labels are different for different people. I personally don't give two shits about labels, my slut and I know which of us is which and that is ultimately what matters.

I am not certain why there seems to be an insistence on your part that you are correct and most are incorrect in the way they view things. Why is it difficult to understand that if something works for you, then it works for you? That you are being belligerent in defending yourself against perceived attacks simply because some people do not share your viewpoint is a bit overzealous don't you think? I get that you want to defend your point of view and that is fine, but you also have to accept other points of view as well... you may not like them, but you must accept them because people are entitled to them.

A bit of advice which you can take or leave at your leisure: Stop pissing up the legs of people that are trying to discuss your topic with you. If you are searching for an answer, then take this stuff at face value from different perspectives. If something that someone says resonates with you, then adapt that, if it doesn't, then reject it. Ask questions, and drop the attitude, you will get much further that way than poking people with sticks. That is my opinion and my advice, use it as you see fit.

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RE: I'm curious how many of the relationships on here a... - 9/20/2014 7:12:28 PM   
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And if he can't buy, trade, or sell his slave....is she really "property"? And if she isn't property....then she she isn't....according to HIS definition, a slave.


I feel like this is problem only people on the internet have.

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RE: I'm curious how many of the relationships on here a... - 9/21/2014 10:35:26 AM   
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Status: offline 		I have a question for you... You have had answers from real people who have had experience with slaves. Not submissives, but slaves. Now before I put my two cents into this train wreck, have you ever had experience with a slave? A submissive? Would you actually know the real-world difference between interacting with the two?

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RE: I'm curious how many of the relationships on here a... - 9/22/2014 12:11:30 AM   
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In regards to how many relationships are online, and how many are RL....well, 98% of the posters on these message boards are REAL LIFE. They are not online fantasy players. They live the discussions they participate in.

The other 2% are wishers and wannabe's...people who want a real life relationship, and people who like to pretend that they want a real life relationship.

On the other side...the profile side...I would say that 98% of those are online fantasy chasers. The other 2%, you will find posting here.


Eh? How do you reach that conclusion?

I met my ex long term partner on here. He never once used the forums and he was a pretty big part of the London scene.

I met my long term poly sub on here. She never used the forums and she had previous experience in D/s relationships.

I met my husband on here. He never uses the forums and he had previous experience in rl before we met.

I have only ever met up with two people who used to be regular chatters on the boards and they were an established couple.


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RE: I'm curious how many of the relationships on here a... - 9/22/2014 7:00:14 AM   
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Status: offline 		Doing something for her, like cooking a special meal and having a romantic evening does not shake my security in my manhood or my right to be Master. I will even do the dishes now and then or cleaned up after us. Having a servant/slave structure in your relationship doesn't mean you have to mistreat your partner or treat them with disrespect. If treating your partner with respect shakes your concept of dominance, you are not fit to have a healthy and rewarding M/s lifestyle.

My slave wife serves me. We have daily rituals that remind her of her place. She brings me breakfast in bed and presents herself naked to me in the mornings. On the other hand, I have her kneel at my feet and tell her how much owning her enriches my life, what a good person she is, how sexy and beautiful she is to me and how proud I am to own her. I give her respect and I make no hesitation to doing things for her. It is a relationship, both ends of the leash are binding and come with responsibilities.

To answer your questions in the OP.

Our "Master/Slave" relationships is not an online fantasy. She is my slave in real life. After a year, she became my slave wife.

It is not a 'weekend warrior' thing. We live together 24/7 and our M/s protocols are 24/7. We high protocol and low protocol but we don't have no protocol. For example, in our years together, she never ever once spoken my name. She calls me Sir or Master even when talking with others. She may resort to referring to me as "he" or "him" when calling me Sir would be glaringly inappropriate. For example, "he like his steaks very rare".

My slave wife is not equal in the control aspect of our relationship... but she is equally important. Her life goals, emotional needs and relationship satisfaction is equally important. I treasure owning her so she of high value to me. She is my prized possession and I respect her.

For my use of the term slave, I go with the definition in the dictionary "a person entirely under the domination of some influence or person" and "a person who is the property of and wholly subject to another; a bond servant".

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RE: I'm curious how many of the relationships on here a... - 9/22/2014 7:29:25 AM   
ExiledTyrant


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ORIGINAL: ResidentSadist

Doing something for her, like cooking a special meal and having a romantic evening does not shake my security in my manhood or my right to be Master. I will even do the dishes now and then or cleaned up after us. Having a servant/slave structure in your relationship doesn't mean you have to mistreat your partner or treat them with disrespect. If treating your partner with respect shakes your concept of dominance, you are not fit to have a healthy and rewarding M/s lifestyle.

My slave wife serves me. We have daily rituals that remind her of her place. She brings me breakfast in bed and presents herself naked to me in the mornings. On the other hand, I have her kneel at my feet and tell her how much owning her enriches my life, what a good person she is, how sexy and beautiful she is to me and how proud I am to own her. I give her respect and I make no hesitation to doing things for her. It is a relationship, both ends of the leash are binding and come with responsibilities.

To answer your questions in the OP.

Our "Master/Slave" relationships is not an online fantasy. She is my slave in real life. After a year, she became my slave wife.

It is not a 'weekend warrior' thing. We live together 24/7 and our M/s protocols are 24/7. We high protocol and low protocol but we don't have no protocol. For example, in our years together, she never ever once spoken my name. She calls me Sir or Master even when talking with others. She may resort to referring to me as "he" or "him" when calling me Sir would be glaringly inappropriate. For example, "he like his steaks very rare".

My slave wife is not equal in the control aspect of our relationship... but she is equally important. Her life goals, emotional needs and relationship satisfaction is equally important. I treasure owning her so she of high value to me. She is my prized possession and I respect her.

For my use of the term slave, I go with the definition in the dictionary "a person entirely under the domination of some influence or person" and "a person who is the property of and wholly subject to another; a bond servant".


Nuff said. That's the gospel


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To lead, first follow: Aurelius, Epictetus, Descartes, Sun Tzu, to name a few.

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RE: I'm curious how many of the relationships on here a... - 9/23/2014 12:38:17 AM   
Content4Now


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And when it comes to Slave VS Submissive and what definition you use and why in your private life, is exactly that; in your private life. On this we agree. However when it comes to those definitions outside of your private life, you(generally speaking, not directed at IrishMist) must make sure to understand that those terms are probably being used the way they're supposed to be, and that your personal definitions do not apply. And this thread, the first few responses I got to it, is a perfect example of why that is.


The part that I bolded is what I am addressing.
Definitions, no matter what dictionary you look for them in, are always going to be viewed from a personal perspective. It's normal human behavior to read something and apply it to your own perspective. The terms slave and submissive, more so than most.

It does not matter what the dictionary proclaims these words to mean.
What matters, is how an individual applies them within the context of their own understanding.

Are there going to be misinterpertations?
Of course. That is why you will often see the phrase "IN MY OWN PERSONAL OPINION OR EXPERIENCE".
That phrase, or some like it, tell the reader how the poster views such terms.

There is no confusion, except that which you choose to create.

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