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RE: hazing new posters - 12/16/2014 5:49:17 AM

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ORIGINAL: Kaliko
Yes, this is a good example of perception. I keep reading the post and still - I don't get what you get from it.

By assuming the worst.

He used a set of 18 year old female profiles as his example for why we should have a welcome committee. From there people made a bunch of assumptions about his position which may of may not be true. For instance why had he looked at several 18 year old profiles, no need to ask, just assume he's a predator. He used a specific example so, no need to ask, just assume he means to exclude everyone else. He talked about women, no need to ask, just assume he thinks men are different.

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RE: hazing new posters - 12/16/2014 6:00:10 AM

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A gay male Dom with no limits as delusioned as the straight female slave with no limits.

Did he ever claim otherwise?

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He singled out female 18 year old subs, as if they were helpless, in need of protection against other men, they need to learn how to not get raped, and that their sexuality is inherently dangerous. In my opinion a better opportunity for mentoring and teaching lays in teaching everyone, of every sex, orientation, and side of kneel what is dangerous.

Did he ever claim everyone shouldn't?

Maybe he was just using specific examples that he'd seen to illuminate a broader issue. You know exactly like you're doing by pointing out his thread.

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RE: hazing new posters - 12/16/2014 6:08:52 AM

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I disagreed with his opinion, pretty calmly, didn't call him on all that shit, until he turned into a baby and stormed off after one post disagreeing with his assement, he didn't stand to defend it, and I think it's because he really doesn't have a leg to stand on, if he really cared about all folks, he wouldn't have done so, in my opinion.

I was intentionally abrasive because I disagree with his sentiment. I'm allowed to disagree with someone.

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RE: hazing new posters - 12/16/2014 6:14:18 AM

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The two situations are very different. Those that worked on a welcome wagon or mentors group were not selecting 18 year old females to greet and assist.

Are we sure they were very different? He explicitly mentioned 18 do you really think that means he meant to exclude oh say 19 year old females? I mean it could be the case that his focus was that narrow or it could be that he'd just come from reading a set of profiles (probably all written by the same scammer) that made him say OH DEAR GOD so that's what he used as an example.

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Are we projecting that 18 year old girls are not quite able to protect themselves and 18 year old men are? How about the forty year old woman that has been alone and wounded who may be vulnerable? Or the older men that might be taken advantage of by other adults? Are we now to teach and protect and the site organize it?

Those all would have been questions we could have asked him.

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RE: hazing new posters - 12/16/2014 6:30:44 AM

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GotSteel, you are needed in "different love", cuz my snark-needo is feeling some serious cowbell!

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RE: hazing new posters - 12/16/2014 7:55:34 AM

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Why is it when it is time for GotSteel to sweep in and impart his wisdom and guidance upon a wayward soul, he is oddly absent?

Maybe it's just me.

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RE: hazing new posters - 12/16/2014 8:02:01 AM

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Why is it when it is time for GotSteel to sweep in and impart his wisdom and guidance upon a wayward soul, he is oddly absent?

Maybe it's just me.

Take a number and get in line.

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RE: hazing new posters - 12/16/2014 8:05:59 AM

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I was intentionally abrasive because I disagree with his sentiment. I'm allowed to disagree with someone.

This is disagreement:

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I think more of them are fake than real and I'm sure none of them need a course in Internet safety, most grew up here, on the Internet.

This is not disagreement, it's an ad hominem:

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Don't make these girls an outlet for unresolved issues you have about yourself.

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ORIGINAL: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ad_hominem
An ad hominem (Latin for "to the man" or "to the person"[1]), short for argumentum ad hominem, means responding to arguments by attacking a person's character, rather than to the content of their arguments.

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RE: hazing new posters - 12/16/2014 8:35:12 AM

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The two situations are very different. Those that worked on a welcome wagon or mentors group were not selecting 18 year old females to greet and assist.

Are we sure they were very different? He explicitly mentioned 18 do you really think that means he meant to exclude oh say 19 year old females? I mean it could be the case that his focus was that narrow or it could be that he'd just come from reading a set of profiles (probably all written by the same scammer) that made him say OH DEAR GOD so that's what he used as an example.

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ORIGINAL: Moderator3
Are we projecting that 18 year old girls are not quite able to protect themselves and 18 year old men are? How about the forty year old woman that has been alone and wounded who may be vulnerable? Or the older men that might be taken advantage of by other adults? Are we now to teach and protect and the site organize it?

Those all would have been questions we could have asked him.

I am not going to engage too much on the forum.

I must say that I am finding you assuming as much as you are saying others have. You didn't ask me if I thought those things, you simply assumed I did. So when you decide to correct or educate me or the members, you might want to breathe for a few and think about it. Things have a way of cycling.

The forum is structured the way it is and if members are not breaking TOS or Guidelines, all is well. If a member wishes to change something, their first resource would be contacting me. If a member wishes to discus something with other members, they are more than free to do so, but they are not free to try to impose their will upon them or they may be breaking Guidelines and/or TOS.

This thread is not going to become about one member, one thread or focused on one situation, anymore than I was going to allow it in the first thread. I know that many of us have used that post to explain things, but we are not going to continue to talk about a member.

Even I used the thread to try to help you understand that some of your take on what members were doing, was incorrect by claiming what he wanted to do and what was going on before were the same.

I am not picking a side other than the site's.

Members have the freedom to be snarky and many other things and if anyone doesn't like it they may contact me, but that doesn't mean that anything will be changed. If anyone feels a post or poster are a problem, they can report it or they can block someone. To try to enforce change by starting threads will not work, as I like a direct approach and one on one.

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RE: hazing new posters - 12/16/2014 9:12:17 AM

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I must say that I am finding you assuming as much as you are saying others have. You didn't ask me if I thought those things, you simply assumed I did.

Where precisely?

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RE: hazing new posters - 12/16/2014 11:58:08 AM

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When you asked me a question and then went on to try to show the reasoning that might have taken place as if that is what I believed and what 'might' have happened and it needed to be proven. I have no problem with being wrong or someone pointing it out. I don't need to assume what was said or interject anything. I felt it important to make clear that the site was not and will not take on the responsibility of providing certain services with intentions of getting too involved with members in an improper manner, clear things up and deflect a few things.

Your post to me in part: Are we sure they were very different? He explicitly mentioned 18 do you really think that means he meant to exclude oh say 19 year old females? I mean it could be the case that his focus was that narrow or it could be that he'd just come from reading a set of profiles (probably all written by the same scammer) that made him say OH DEAR GOD so that's what he used as an example.

I am very sure that what was accruing wasn't the same thing or the reason the welcome wagon or mentors were explored.

We are not here to save anyone from themselves. We do not have to be politically correct or pass Miss Manners guidelines. We are an adult site filled with members with alternative lifestyles or choices, and members have a choice to be nice, nasty, snarky or whatever they want to be within guidelines and tos. Staff will not be over-moderating, nor changing anything because some people don't like the way things are or how members present, and members shouldn't feel they are challenged on their freedom of choice or condemned, scolded or called out because they are doing what they have every right to do. We'd love to please everyone, but that is an impossible task.

Now, can we get off that one thread and the discussion of 'that' situation? Please?

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RE: hazing new posters - 12/16/2014 12:05:22 PM

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ORIGINAL: Moderator3

When you asked me a question and then went on to try to show the reasoning that might have taken place as if that is what I believed and what 'might' have happened and it needed to be proven. I have no problem with being wrong or someone pointing it out. I don't need to assume what was said or interject anything. I felt it important to make clear that the site was not and will not take on the responsibility of providing certain services with intentions of getting too involved with members in an improper manner, clear things up and deflect a few things.

Your post to me in part: Are we sure they were very different? He explicitly mentioned 18 do you really think that means he meant to exclude oh say 19 year old females? I mean it could be the case that his focus was that narrow or it could be that he'd just come from reading a set of profiles (probably all written by the same scammer) that made him say OH DEAR GOD so that's what he used as an example.

I am very sure that what was accruing wasn't the same thing or the reason the welcome wagon or mentors were explored.

We are not here to save anyone from themselves. We do not have to be politically correct or pass Miss Manners guidelines. We are an adult site filled with members with alternative lifestyles or choices, and members have a choice to be nice, nasty, snarky or whatever they want to be within guidelines and tos. Staff will not be over-moderating, nor changing anything because some people don't like the way things are or how members present, and members shouldn't feel they are challenged on their freedom of choice or condemned, scolded or called out because they are doing what they have every right to do. We'd love to please everyone, but that is an impossible task.

Now, can we get off that one thread and the discussion of 'that' situation? Please?

No kum-bay-yah circle and marshiemallows?

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RE: hazing new posters - 12/16/2014 12:16:12 PM

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We are not here to save anyone from themselves. We do not have to be politically correct or pass Miss Manners guidelines. We are an adult site filled with members with alternative lifestyles or choices, and members have a choice to be nice, nasty, snarky or whatever they want to be within guidelines and tos. Staff will not be over-moderating, nor changing anything because some people don't like the way things are or how members present, and members shouldn't feel they are challenged on their freedom of choice or condemned, scolded or called out because they are doing what they have every right to do. We'd love to please everyone, but that is an impossible task.
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Hallelujah. Nice to see that the place isn't going to be turned into some lifeless PC wasteland. People don't like things others post? There is that "hide" button. It works great.

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RE: hazing new posters - 12/16/2014 12:16:16 PM

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Sure, make up sex is great. Well, that's what I heard anyway.

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RE: hazing new posters - 12/16/2014 12:18:00 PM

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Sure, make up sex is great. Well, that's what I heard anyway.

You skanky whore! I hate you and hope you die!!!!

Okay, let's try the make up sex now.

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RE: hazing new posters - 12/16/2014 12:22:20 PM

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ROFLMAO!

I may be a skanky whore, but if I do that with you, I would have to be fair and do that with others and I am not that much of a skanky whore. (You just don't know how many that would apply to! Lots of people call me names and might try angry sex.)

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RE: hazing new posters - 12/16/2014 12:26:09 PM

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Sure, make up sex is great. Well, that's what I heard anyway.

nudges you and winks...ANY sex with me is great. ~nods~

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RE: hazing new posters - 12/16/2014 12:26:36 PM

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ROFLMAO!

I may be a skanky whore, but if I do that with you, I would have to be fair and do that with others and I am not that much of a skanky whore. (You just don't know how many that would apply to! Lots of people call me names and might try angry sex.)

Pffftttt... the can toss off at the idea of it, I don't play well with others, and it won't be angry. It will be primal, it'll be rough, and it'll leave a mark.

Jus sayin

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RE: hazing new posters - 12/16/2014 1:00:07 PM

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I think GotSteel started this to hopefully inspire members to be nicer to each other rather than enact a change in moderation. Which is in my opinion kinda hopeless, be the best you can be personally, thats really all anyone can do. After all these pages, I think it's apparent.

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RE: hazing new posters - 12/16/2014 2:02:12 PM

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GotSteel, you are needed in "different love", cuz my snark-needo is feeling some serious cowbell!

Jus sayin

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