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RE: 12 dead in Paris - 1/13/2015 4:29:21 PM   
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He isnt wrong tho...I was not discussing him in any way shape or form.
Your comprehension is shot to shit again.
Trying to put words in my mouth is FAIL ....



I didnt write the whole nation of Islam, those were your own words

what i actually typed was
LMAO that imam controls the whole nation(?) of islam??

see those squiggly things they are called question marks, not a statement....a question....NOT a statement.
im done with this, you are about to burst into whinge mode about not being the topic of the thread, or something....
pah.


Not too early for YOU to be drinking

Nope, I didnt write or imply that said Imam controls "the whole nation of Islam" either, or anything about 'the whole nation of Islam' (whatever you think that is)




And I didn tell you that the christian rw crazies spoke for you,
You gave a link to one dumbarse cleric "calling" for banning snowmen.
I thought I would give you something equally dumbarse, like killing gays before christmas. Or maybe 2 something ridiculous to counter your fucking ignorance.
The possibility of redneck assholes/street thugs committing a hate crime against gays is more likely in a western society than anyone banning snow men outside of saudi arabia.

We all know how deep in the arse we are with the saudis. Yet they have the strongest and ugliest rules and laws that fuck so much up.
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RE: 12 dead in Paris - 1/13/2015 4:35:49 PM   
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And a couple just to balance it up with a couple of christian crazy bastard extremists.

http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2014/12/04/pastor-calls-for-killing-gays-to-end-aids/19929973/

http://www.addictinginfo.org/2014/12/03/conservative-christian-pastor-openly-calls-for-executing-all-gay-people-by-christmas-day-video/




this does not "balance" the conversation at all. it cherry picks an extreme and rare instance that in no way is illustrative of main stream Christianity. the "pastor" in question here is not speaking in a way consistent with scripture and would be overwhelmingly shunned and criticized by true believers.

neither does it balance things in terms of quantity---for every one instance of things we have here like that in the west, there are exponentially more in Islamic thought and countries.

whats more, as has been pointed out---muslims actually do kill homosexuals with impunity. which brings up the mind boggling question of why so many liberals are so non-critically supportive of muslims.



wow you ran with that and fell off the field. bless your heart.


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RE: 12 dead in Paris - 1/13/2015 4:40:04 PM   
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And I didn tell you that the christian rw crazies spoke for you,
You gave a link to one dumbarse cleric "calling" for banning snowmen.
I thought I would give you something equally dumbarse, like killing gays before christmas. Or maybe 2 something ridiculous to counter your fucking ignorance.
The possibility of redneck assholes/street thugs committing a hate crime against gays is more likely in a western society than anyone banning snow men outside of saudi arabia.

We all know how deep in the arse we are with the saudis. Yet they have the strongest and ugliest rules and laws that fuck so much up.
strange that


As if the snowman edict alone is what makes the ideology one of fascism?

It is more that one can receive fifty lashes (or whatever) for doing something like building a snowman

It was but an example

Sorry you have such difficulty grasping that

And again - our law prosecutes those who would give fifty lashes for building a snowman

Their law? You shall receive fifty lashes for building a snowman

Despite all of your trollish drooling there is still no comparison








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RE: 12 dead in Paris - 1/13/2015 6:26:40 PM   
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Here is the difference, here an occasional nutcase calls for the death of gays, in several Islamic countries the law calls for it. A slight difference there.


The occasional nutcase here is probably never serious, just using hyperbole

Attention seekers who are a bit touched, trolling for crazy lucys type



Tell that to Mathew Shepards family.


More ignorance, but hardly surprising

That case turned out to be nothing more than a vicious robbery, and had nothing to do with Shepards' sexual orientation

Still we put them in jail, as opposed to it being their government job.


Right

It is highly illegal here while Islamic law calls for such killing

But curiously, leftists cannot tell that there is any real difference

Would these be those "leftists who aren't liberals?"

What do the liberals think? And who are they, if not leftists?

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RE: 12 dead in Paris - 1/13/2015 6:34:26 PM   
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something I suspect should be a part of this conversation. its from a pjmedia article entitled "organization of Islamic cooperation calls for more speech codes defamation laws in wake of Charlie hebdo attack"

"Last week’s terror attack targeting French magazine Charlie Hebdo‘s office in Paris has sparked a global conversation about the nature of free speech, with the “Je Suis Charlie” hashtag in support of the murdered Charlie Hebdo staff going viral and becoming the most used hashtag in the history of Twitter.

"But this afternoon, the UN representative for the Organization of Islamic Cooperation (OIC), Ufuk Gokcen, was expressing another view with respect to free speech.

"The OIC is comprised of the 57 Muslim-majority nations and the Palestinian Authority. They are the largest bloc at the UN, and when they meet on the head-of-state level, they literally speak for the Muslim world.

"So it is noteworthy that after the Charlie Hebdo attack, Gokcen is now calling for more implementation of the OIC-sponsored UN Human Rights Council Resolution 16/18 and the follow-up Rabat Plan of Action that would criminalize the very type of speech that Charlie Hebdo engaged in:

"Charlie Hebdo attack&reactions underline critical imp. of renewed commitment to resolution 16/18&Rabat Plan of Action http://t.co/NoBXnzEKWg
— Ufuk Gokcen (@iktgokcen) January 12, 2015"

http://pjmedia.com/tatler/2015/01/12/organization-of-islamic-cooperation-calls-for-more-speech-codes-defamation-laws-in-wake-of-charlie-hebdo-attack/


the Un resolution is relatively benign in comparison to the Rabat plan, which seems to be all about preventing people from doing things that incites people to "discrimination, hostility or violence." free speech be damned.

http://www.ohchr.org/Documents/Issues/Opinion/SeminarRabat/Rabat_draft_outcome.pdf

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RE: 12 dead in Paris - 1/13/2015 6:45:04 PM   
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In a somewhat related article, AFP / Yahoo News is similarly sympathetic to the perceived need to censor comic books, comedians and other such horrifically insensitive types

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RE: 12 dead in Paris - 1/13/2015 7:43:07 PM   
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Would these be those "leftists who aren't liberals?"

What do the liberals think? And who are they, if not leftists?


I am betting that you can easily entertain yourself for hours just by strumming your lips

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RE: 12 dead in Paris - 1/13/2015 10:56:41 PM   
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And a couple just to balance it up with a couple of christian crazy bastard extremists.

http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2014/12/04/pastor-calls-for-killing-gays-to-end-aids/19929973/

http://www.addictinginfo.org/2014/12/03/conservative-christian-pastor-openly-calls-for-executing-all-gay-people-by-christmas-day-video/




Key difference - your crazy christian bastards dont control the whole nation, they dont even control their congregations or their families

Christians are free to shun the crazies among them in the West

Among Islamists though, you must submit to the crazies
Y con
(And they dont just talk about it, they really do kill gays by law)

And the second article...which is an opinion piece masquerading as a news piece...claims that conservatives...not a few or just crazy ones or the extremely conservatives but just conservatives...are wanting to kill gays.

Any conservatives on here want to do that? Any liberals on here want to ask my friend Unholy Bear if he's afraid I want to kill him? My cousin Angel or my cousin Jeremiah? Anybody want to ask my gay patients if they're afraid of me?

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RE: 12 dead in Paris - 1/14/2015 2:45:38 AM   
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I think you and Sanity both missed my point, when I said the terrorists are winning. What is the goal of terrorism? To effect political change through terror; fear? We're agreed? Then, they're winning. It's working.



What political change, Michael?

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As far as the dancing I mentioned, it was at the Mosque in South Brunswick, NJ on US 1 (4154 US 1 South, if memory serves) and Promenade Blvd..



Presumably this is one mosque in the United States? How many muslims live over there? A couple of million? And one incident, carried out by say a couple of hundred people out of a couple of million, has led you to your views?

It's more of the 'tar everyone with the same brush' approach, which is not grounded in reason nor the modern day and seems to me to be more like the Pendle Witch Trials in the 1600s.

The very reason we moved away from the 1600s towards a centralised Rule of Law approach was for justice and harmony.

It's not just to claim someone is responsible for the actions of someone else simply because they share some religious beliefs.

Tellingly, one aspect of human nature that is consistent regardless of the age is being susceptible to an appeal to pride and fear. It's not so long back that the US Government set up a Department of Propaganda and turned The Sandinistas into the Mongol Hordes, nor is it that long ago that British soldiers died in their millions in a war that most had no idea why they were there except they were told they had to stop the Germans (who, on reflection, I suppose were the muslims of their day).

The type of thinking you and a few more are employing is very dangerous, as history tells us that given certain other circumstances it can lead to an hitherto unimaginable amount of people being killed, along with the economic fall out.

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RE: 12 dead in Paris - 1/14/2015 3:32:05 AM   
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And the second article...which is an opinion piece masquerading as a news piece...claims that conservatives...not a few or just crazy ones or the extremely conservatives but just conservatives...are wanting to kill gays.

Any conservatives on here want to do that? Any liberals on here want to ask my friend Unholy Bear if he's afraid I want to kill him? My cousin Angel or my cousin Jeremiah? Anybody want to ask my gay patients if they're afraid of me?



Its been SOP for a long time for leftists use propaganda to instill fear into the population in order to try to gain and maintain control over people. Someone once wrote that "Tellingly, one aspect of human nature that is consistent regardless of the age is being susceptible to an appeal to pride and fear." and that is indeed true.




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RE: 12 dead in Paris - 1/14/2015 3:42:08 AM   
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The type of thinking you and a few more are employing is very dangerous, as history tells us that given certain other circumstances it can lead to an hitherto unimaginable amount of people being killed, along with the economic fall out.



It's interesting that you're another one that purports to know what I'm thinking. I haven't disrespected you. I wish you'd afford me the same courtesy.

I don't think all Muslims are dangerous. I think a large enough portion of people claiming to be Islamic, who have pitched a very large tent, are violent enough to make that particular sub-group very dangerous and something to be eradicated.

There are enough of them, organized into a group or groups that they are a danger to our very way of Western life.

While the PPLs, here, like to spew about Christianity, there are few Christians organized into paramilitary groups whose mission is to wipe out Western life/pluralism. Can the Islamaphiles say the same?

List of "peaceful" Islamic verses..

In other news:

Is Al-Qaeda enough of a danger for you?.

I think people need to get their heads out of the sand before it really is too late.



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RE: 12 dead in Paris - 1/14/2015 5:48:32 AM   
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And a couple just to balance it up with a couple of christian crazy bastard extremists.

http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2014/12/04/pastor-calls-for-killing-gays-to-end-aids/19929973/

http://www.addictinginfo.org/2014/12/03/conservative-christian-pastor-openly-calls-for-executing-all-gay-people-by-christmas-day-video/




Key difference - your crazy christian bastards dont control the whole nation, they dont even control their congregations or their families

Christians are free to shun the crazies among them in the West

Among Islamists though, you must submit to the crazies
Y con
(And they dont just talk about it, they really do kill gays by law)

And the second article...which is an opinion piece masquerading as a news piece...claims that conservatives...not a few or just crazy ones or the extremely conservatives but just conservatives...are wanting to kill gays.






I didnt say it was anything other than reporting the dumbarse pastors, IN retort to the snow man building "fatwahs" posted by sanity. and that one muslim cleric with a crazy idea is the same mentality as the pastors projections are ignorant fucks.
amazing that you project all that ignorance on a bad assumption.
is Sanitys link describing evil snowmen a "legitimate" and righteous source?
as for your "any conservatives wanna do that?
get to fuck. no one would admit it,
Unholy Bear knows where Im coming from, fuck using him as your poster boy.
Until you can tell the difference between using two extreme examples of christianity to blow off a snowman claim, and saying all christians wanna kill gays, dont be a dumb fuck. Neither did I say that all christians felt the same, please show me where I did
I was pointing out the non justification claiming the snowman hater as being felt the same way for ALL muslims will endorse and most will shun the idiot imam. who made that statement..
We shun Sara palin for being , well several things, it doesnt make her any less stupid or her followers less ignorant.

Now you come up to say not all conservatives blah blah, when that was my entire point, propaganda was precisely why I posted it.
banning snowmen in saudi arabia versus advocating killing gays. what a choice.


I dislike organized religion, all of them every single one of them, christianity included and most definitely Islam.
I especially despise violence done in the name of a "god" and wars started on bullshit lies .
theres a lot of it about....




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RE: 12 dead in Paris - 1/14/2015 6:15:50 AM   
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It's interesting that you're another one that purports to know what I'm thinking. I haven't disrespected you. I wish you'd afford me the same courtesy.



Assuming what you post is dictated by what you think, then you've made it clear that the actions of terrorists have clouded your view of other muslims. Please see your comment below from your post 395:

I have never been one to pre-judge, based upon appearance but I know when I see a young, bearded man, wearing a burka, these days, my antennae go up. I start looking around, a little bit more.

While, intellectually I realize that not every Muslim is out to do damage, I think I'd be a fool to not acknowledge that there's a chance that something could happen. It saddens and abashes me that I have come to feel this way but it is a sign of the times in which we live.


That's not showing disrespect on my part. That's observing your comments and giving you my opinion that they're dangerous comments proven by history.

In response to your comment in itallics, yes, you would be a fool to think there's a chance something might happen on the basis that someone is walking down the street wearing a burka and sporting a beard. You'd be monumentally foolish. And, it's not a sign of the times: it's a product of your reason or lack thereof.

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There are enough of them, organized into a group or groups that they are a danger to our very way of Western life.



No. They're not a danger to my 'Western way of life'. This is what the establishment would like you to believe, and they do it by appealing to pride and fear. The danger is a few lunatics who should be rounded up with a sustained police investigation and thrown in prison for life or hanged. In my experience, I've never, ever had any problem with any muslim, verbal or otherwise; and I have worked and lived in an area with a large muslim population for 15 years of my life. I don't live my life according to some 'clash of civilisations' bollocks, nor do I live my life shrouded by fear and minute possibilities.

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While the PPLs, here, like to spew about Christianity, there are few Christians organized into paramilitary groups whose mission is to wipe out Western life/pluralism. Can the Islamaphiles say the same?



Nothing to do with me, as I haven't mentioned Christianity, and as far as I'm concered this has very little to do with Christianity except there are a few christians who may use this to stir up trouble (although I doubt the vast majority of christians would, and the head of the Church of England has certainly been vociferous in not supporting ventures into the Middle East in the past), and there are many others, not christians, who would also like to stir up trouble.

Your choice of term 'Islamophiles' is telling. Islamophobe and Islamophile are no more than nonsense terms with no relevance.

The issue is a wider one than Islam or muslims. The issue is being reasonable, whether the terrorists are Jewish, muslim, christian, whatever; and maintaining the foundations of liberty which are not being the victim of mob rule and not being placed on trial for (non-existent) association.

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I think people need to get their heads out of the sand before it really is too late.



Too late for what, Michael? What is your prediction?

And, you still haven't answered my question put to you as a result of your statement: "the terrorists are winning by effecting political change".

What political change are you talking about?

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RE: 12 dead in Paris - 1/14/2015 6:19:40 AM   
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Good morning to you too, sunshine

Again, though - such Muslim clerics have the ultimate power over the masses

"Bow to Mecca or feel the wrath"

"Respect the prophet, or die"

Your random nobody Christian crazies, not so much

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RE: 12 dead in Paris - 1/14/2015 6:35:55 AM   
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But you know pretty well that if the positions were switched, things wouldn't be much different would they? Instead of saying praise Allah they'll be saying praise Jesus. Just because one group gets away with killing gays and the other group can only imagine it, doesn't make them any less different from one another in terms of ideals.

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RE: 12 dead in Paris - 1/14/2015 6:36:52 AM   
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I have tried, repeatedly to treat you with respect and you continue your snide little attacks, like a little school boy. Based upon:

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In response to your comment in itallics, yes, you would be a fool to think there's a chance something might happen on the basis that someone is walking down the street wearing a burka and sporting a beard. You'd be monumentally foolish. And, it's not a sign of the times: it's a product of your reason or lack thereof.



... I'm done with you. You reside in the nether with the rest of the name-callers, passive-aggressives and statements that I can no longer take seriously.



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RE: 12 dead in Paris - 1/14/2015 6:59:36 AM   
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But you know pretty well that if the positions were switched, things wouldn't be much different would they? Instead of saying praise Allah they'll be saying praise Jesus. Just because one group gets away with killing gays and the other group can only imagine it, doesn't make them any less different from one another in terms of ideals.


No, not much different

Only difference is we are talking about one or two crazies out of hundreds of millions, whose craziness can be safely ignored and who are opposed by the teachings of Jesus as stated in the New Testament, and who would be criminals if they followed through with any of their craziness on the one side, vs. the law of the Koran and backed by the prophet and all of the force and power of the state on the other side

Hardly any difference at all


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RE: 12 dead in Paris - 1/14/2015 7:05:42 AM   
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I have tried, repeatedly to treat you with respect and you continue your snide little attacks, like a little school boy. Based upon:

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In response to your comment in itallics, yes, you would be a fool to think there's a chance something might happen on the basis that someone is walking down the street wearing a burka and sporting a beard. You'd be monumentally foolish. And, it's not a sign of the times: it's a product of your reason or lack thereof.



... I'm done with you. You reside in the nether with the rest of the name-callers, passive-aggressives and statements that I can no longer take seriously.



Michael



No bother, Michael.

I've asked you to clarify a few things and you've failed to do so.

You stated you would be a fool to not think someone walking down the street with a burka and a beard is possible trouble.

In the event you're here to make grand statements that you're not prepared to support with some reason, e.g. "the muslim terrorists are causing political change"; and whereupon you make statements which are clearly foolish but you see reason them, and throw your toys out the pram when another poster points out that you have it the wrong way round, then, by all means, be my guest: disappear from the conversation.

You have proven to me on this thread that you're on the wrong side of being a complete and utter waste of time and words, and, yes, during the course of this thread you've proven yourself to be a fool in more ways than one.

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... I'm done with you. You reside in the nether with the rest of the name-callers, passive-aggressives and statements that I can no longer take seriously.

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RE: 12 dead in Paris - 1/14/2015 7:27:01 AM   
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old news mate old old news

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