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RE: 12 dead in Paris - 1/14/2015 7:31:02 AM

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old news mate old old news

Eventually he will turn into BM 2.0 only having himself to quote.

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RE: 12 dead in Paris - 1/14/2015 1:31:11 PM

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And the second article...which is an opinion piece masquerading as a news piece...claims that conservatives...not a few or just crazy ones or the extremely conservatives but just conservatives...are wanting to kill gays.

Any conservatives on here want to do that? Any liberals on here want to ask my friend Unholy Bear if he's afraid I want to kill him? My cousin Angel or my cousin Jeremiah? Anybody want to ask my gay patients if they're afraid of me?

Its been SOP for a long time for leftists use propaganda to instill fear into the population in order to try to gain and maintain control over people. Someone once wrote that "Tellingly, one aspect of human nature that is consistent regardless of the age is being susceptible to an appeal to pride and fear." and that is indeed true.

Are these those same "non-liberal leftists" you were talking about?

And so, who are the liberals then?

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RE: 12 dead in Paris - 1/14/2015 1:46:57 PM

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Are these those same "non-liberal leftists" you were talking about?

And so, who are the liberals then?

Anyone who thinks he's a moron, it would seem. The world must be 99.999% liberal by that metric.

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RE: 12 dead in Paris - 1/14/2015 3:18:13 PM

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Are these those same "non-liberal leftists" you were talking about?

And so, who are the liberals then?

Anyone who thinks he's a moron, it would seem. The world must be 99.999% liberal by that metric.

That was funny.....

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RE: 12 dead in Paris - 1/14/2015 3:38:07 PM

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Here is the difference, here an occasional nutcase calls for the death of gays, in several Islamic countries the law calls for it. A slight difference there.

The occasional nutcase here is probably never serious, just using hyperbole

Attention seekers who are a bit touched, trolling for crazy lucys type

Tell that to Mathew Shepards family.

More ignorance, but hardly surprising

That case turned out to be nothing more than a vicious robbery, and had nothing to do with Shepards' sexual orientation

Bullshit.

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RE: 12 dead in Paris - 1/14/2015 3:41:13 PM

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Here is the difference, here an occasional nutcase calls for the death of gays, in several Islamic countries the law calls for it. A slight difference there.

The occasional nutcase here is probably never serious, just using hyperbole

Attention seekers who are a bit touched, trolling for crazy lucys type

Tell that to Mathew Shepards family.

Don't forget Ryan White.

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RE: 12 dead in Paris - 1/14/2015 3:58:06 PM

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The only straw man was your pathetic notion that anyone threatening to murders gays was "Just using hyperbole"

We were discussing preachers, dippy

Some other troll (your half sister perhaps) was trying to claim by inference that Christians / the West are equally as bad as Islamafascists when it comes to hating / killing gay people

The one case you came up with was a random robbery that the law here prosecuted vigorously, while (again) Islamic law calls for stoning gays

Just more of you trolls comparing apples to dog shit as per usual

Actually the West is just as bad only their methods are different.

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RE: 12 dead in Paris - 1/14/2015 4:10:17 PM

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The only straw man was your pathetic notion that anyone threatening to murders gays was "Just using hyperbole"

We were discussing preachers, dippy

Some other troll (your half sister perhaps) was trying to claim by inference that Christians / the West are equally as bad as Islamafascists when it comes to hating / killing gay people

The one case you came up with was a random robbery that the law here prosecuted vigorously, while (again) Islamic law calls for stoning gays

Just more of you trolls comparing apples to dog shit as per usual

Actually the West is just as bad only their methods are different.

In what western country is being gay a capital offense?

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RE: 12 dead in Paris - 1/14/2015 4:38:31 PM

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The only straw man was your pathetic notion that anyone threatening to murders gays was "Just using hyperbole"

We were discussing preachers, dippy

Some other troll (your half sister perhaps) was trying to claim by inference that Christians / the West are equally as bad as Islamafascists when it comes to hating / killing gay people

The one case you came up with was a random robbery that the law here prosecuted vigorously, while (again) Islamic law calls for stoning gays

Just more of you trolls comparing apples to dog shit as per usual

Actually the West is just as bad only their methods are different.

In what western country is being gay a capital offense?

What I said is the west is using different methods. After spending the past 20 mins searching, I managed to find these links since it seems that all you nice kind people (heavy sarcasm) love to throw us gays under the bus even when the OP has nothing to do with my kind.

http://www.outandaboutnashville.com/story/turn-away-gays-bills-return-agenda/50563#.VLcF93tyz4i

http://www.addictinginfo.org/2014/12/08/american-pastor-who-helped-uganda-create-kill-the-gays-law-will-be-tried-for-crimes-against-humanity/

http://www.newnownext.com/michigan-house-passed-bill-allowing-emts-to-refuse-treatment-to-gay-people/12/2014/

http://www.washingtonpost.com/news/volokh-conspiracy/wp/2014/02/03/the-painful-case-of-pastor-scott-lively-homophobe-to-the-world/
http://www.queerty.com/colorado-pastor-halts-funeral-15-minutes-in-because-deceased-was-a-lesbian-20150114?utm_source=bb82&utm_medium=social&utm_campaign=pastor-halts-funeral

http://www.queerty.com/tesco-apologizes-for-cashier-who-said-gay-folks-should-die-alone-and-not-have-babies-20150114
http://www.addictinginfo.org/2015/01/13/no-gays-allowed-law-set-to-pass-in-virginia/

http://www.slate.com/blogs/outward/2015/01/08/virginia_anti_gay_bill_would_let_schools_and_hospitals_turn_gays_away.html

http://www.slate.com/blogs/outward/2015/01/13/texas_south_carolina_consider_denying_pay_to_pro_gay_judges.html

And btw.....this was just the tip of the iceberg as I could have had a list 20x longer but I my kind hearted gay sensibilities didn't want to overwhelm you all. Yes Islamic countries have it in their laws that faggots are unclean and don't deserve to live yet here in the West, there are laws which should be ensuring we should not have to fear for our bloody safety. If the west is so damn open minded and accepting, then why do we have legal organizations that fight cases of hate crimes against the LGBT communities (Egale for example)? What does a world wide organization like MPVUSA exist to protect the gay muslims living in the US and in muslim countries? Why do we still have national groups like PFLAG continue to exist and champion gays and lesbians? It's because they are still needed in a western society that allows special interest groups and religious organizations to spew their hatred under the bullshit guise of freedom of religion and freedom of speech.

As for CreativeDominant's question if I fear for my life from him....FUCK NO! No do I fear for my life regarding any and all conservatives.

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RE: 12 dead in Paris - 1/14/2015 4:41:00 PM

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The only straw man was your pathetic notion that anyone threatening to murders gays was "Just using hyperbole"

We were discussing preachers, dippy

Some other troll (your half sister perhaps) was trying to claim by inference that Christians / the West are equally as bad as Islamafascists when it comes to hating / killing gay people

The one case you came up with was a random robbery that the law here prosecuted vigorously, while (again) Islamic law calls for stoning gays

Just more of you trolls comparing apples to dog shit as per usual

Actually the West is just as bad only their methods are different.

In what western country is being gay a capital offense?

What I said is the west is using different methods. After spending the past 20 mins searching, I managed to find these links since it seems that all you nice kind people (heavy sarcasm) love to throw us gays under the bus even when the OP has nothing to do with my kind.

http://www.outandaboutnashville.com/story/turn-away-gays-bills-return-agenda/50563#.VLcF93tyz4i

http://www.addictinginfo.org/2014/12/08/american-pastor-who-helped-uganda-create-kill-the-gays-law-will-be-tried-for-crimes-against-humanity/

http://www.newnownext.com/michigan-house-passed-bill-allowing-emts-to-refuse-treatment-to-gay-people/12/2014/

http://www.washingtonpost.com/news/volokh-conspiracy/wp/2014/02/03/the-painful-case-of-pastor-scott-lively-homophobe-to-the-world/
http://www.queerty.com/colorado-pastor-halts-funeral-15-minutes-in-because-deceased-was-a-lesbian-20150114?utm_source=bb82&utm_medium=social&utm_campaign=pastor-halts-funeral

http://www.queerty.com/tesco-apologizes-for-cashier-who-said-gay-folks-should-die-alone-and-not-have-babies-20150114
http://www.addictinginfo.org/2015/01/13/no-gays-allowed-law-set-to-pass-in-virginia/

http://www.slate.com/blogs/outward/2015/01/08/virginia_anti_gay_bill_would_let_schools_and_hospitals_turn_gays_away.html

http://www.slate.com/blogs/outward/2015/01/13/texas_south_carolina_consider_denying_pay_to_pro_gay_judges.html

And btw.....this was just the tip of the iceberg as I could have had a list 20x longer but I my kind hearted gay sensibilities didn't want to overwhelm you all. Yes Islamic countries have it in their laws that faggots are unclean and don't deserve to live yet here in the West, there are laws which should be ensuring we should not have to fear for our bloody safety. If the west is so damn open minded and accepting, then why do we have legal organizations that fight cases of hate crimes against the LGBT communities (Egale for example)? What does a world wide organization like MPVUSA exist to protect the gay muslims living in the US and in muslim countries? Why do we still have national groups like PFLAG continue to exist and champion gays and lesbians? It's because they are still needed in a western society that allows special interest groups and religious organizations to spew their hatred under the bullshit guise of freedom of religion and freedom of speech.

As for CreativeDominant's question if I fear for my life from him....FUCK NO! No do I fear for my life regarding any and all conservatives.

You equate lack of special protection with having a death sentence for existing, think about that.

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RE: 12 dead in Paris - 1/14/2015 5:10:52 PM

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Don't be surprised if he doesn't feel all grateful.

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RE: 12 dead in Paris - 1/14/2015 6:45:19 PM

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Yeah,nobody wants "special"protection,I mean whats the point...just cause there are specific threat factors is no reason to go around giving every tom,dick and harry special protection

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RE: 12 dead in Paris - 1/14/2015 8:30:30 PM

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Yeah,nobody wants "special"protection,I mean whats the point...just cause there are specific threat factors is no reason to go around giving every tom,dick and harry special protection

Assault is assault regardless of who the victim is.
Murder is murder regardless of who the victim is.
Both the act and the threat can be dealt with under current law.
Making it a different crime to assault a gay person is giving them different treatment under the law.
And none of this makes the west as bad by any stretch of the imagination as bad as those countries where the government will execute you for being gay.
Or for that matter as bad as Russia where you can't get a drivers license or teach if you are gay.

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RE: 12 dead in Paris - 1/14/2015 9:15:44 PM

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Actually the West is just as bad only their methods are different.

I'm sorry, but that really sounds a bit crazy to me. This is like the poster recently who equated getting hate e-mail to terrorism. You listed a bunch of laws that people are trying to get passed, and which will almost certainly be shot down by the SCOTUS even if they are, and saying that this is the same as the legalized murder that takes place in other countries? That seems a bit disingenuous.

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RE: 12 dead in Paris - 1/14/2015 9:32:55 PM

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Actually the West is just as bad only their methods are different.

I'm sorry, but that really sounds a bit crazy to me. This is like the poster recently who equated getting hate e-mail to terrorism. You listed a bunch of laws that people are trying to get passed, and which will almost certainly be shot down by the SCOTUS even if they are, and saying that this is the same as the legalized murder that takes place in other countries? That seems a bit disingenuous.

We have a thread supposedly about mass murder in France and the only thing some people can think of is to bash the west in general, and the US in particular. People who think this is as bad as those countries should visit them for a while.

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RE: 12 dead in Paris - 1/15/2015 2:59:23 AM

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Actually the West is just as bad only their methods are different.

I'm sorry, but that really sounds a bit crazy to me. This is like the poster recently who equated getting hate e-mail to terrorism. You listed a bunch of laws that people are trying to get passed, and which will almost certainly be shot down by the SCOTUS even if they are, and saying that this is the same as the legalized murder that takes place in other countries? That seems a bit disingenuous.

He thinks that because a few people think his lifestyle is wrong, thats the same as the government burying him to his chin and stoning him by law

And he thinks that no "liberals" dislike gays

And that all conservatives want to kill him

He is either just another troll like the five people who posted just prior to him, or he is insane, or both

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RE: 12 dead in Paris - 1/15/2015 6:04:02 AM

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And btw.....this was just the tip of the iceberg as I could have had a list 20x longer but I my kind hearted gay sensibilities didn't want to overwhelm you all. Yes Islamic countries have it in their laws that faggots are unclean and don't deserve to live yet here in the West, there are laws which should be ensuring we should not have to fear for our bloody safety. If the west is so damn open minded and accepting, then why do we have legal organizations that fight cases of hate crimes against the LGBT communities (Egale for example)? What does a world wide organization like MPVUSA exist to protect the gay muslims living in the US and in muslim countries? Why do we still have national groups like PFLAG continue to exist and champion gays and lesbians? It's because they are still needed in a western society that allows special interest groups and religious organizations to spew their hatred under the bullshit guise of freedom of religion and freedom of speech.

As for CreativeDominant's question if I fear for my life from him....FUCK NO! No do I fear for my life regarding any and all conservatives.

" then why do we have legal organizations that fight cases of hate crimes against the LGBT communities"

Because as a country we realize that hate crimes are wrong so we have started all those groups that you so nicely listed to stop it. Now unless you can list organizations in the other countries that do the same thing I would say we have spotted at least one of the differences between the two.

As the the posters on this thread throwing gays under the bus, please tell me which posts so I can be offended also.

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RE: 12 dead in Paris - 1/15/2015 6:08:21 AM

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Same-sex sexual intercourse is legal in twenty two Muslim-majority nations (Abkhazia, Albania, Azerbaijan, Bahrain, Bosnia and Herzegovina, Burkina Faso, Chad, Djibouti, Guinea-Bissau, Iraq, Ivory Coast, Jordan, Kazakhstan, Kosovo, Kyrgyzstan, Mali, Niger, Northern Cyprus, Tajikistan, Turkey, West Bank (State of Palestine), and most of Indonesia). In Albania, Lebanon, and Turkey, there have been discussions about legalizing same-sex marriage.[8][9] Homosexual relations between females are legal in Kuwait, but homosexual acts between males are illegal. Lebanon has had recent internal efforts to legalize homosexuality.[10] Even in regions where homosexuality is not illegal it is seen as a shame by most families,[who?] and privately executing the punishments required by Islamic law[which?] may be seen as morally justified.

Most Muslim-majority countries have opposed moves to advance LGBT rights at the United Nations, in the General Assembly and/or the UNHRC. However, Albania and Sierra Leone have signed a UN Declaration supporting LGBT rights.[11][12] OIC member-state Mozambique provides LGBT rights protections in law in the form of non-discrimination laws, and discussions on legally recognizing same-sex marriage have been held in the country.[13][14]

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RE: 12 dead in Paris - 1/15/2015 6:34:12 AM

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Even in regions where homosexuality is not illegal it is seen as a shame by most families,[who?] and privately executing the punishments required by Islamic law[which?] may be seen as morally justified.

Its the ideology

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RE: 12 dead in Paris - 1/15/2015 6:45:17 AM

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" then why do we have legal organizations that fight cases of hate crimes against the LGBT communities"

Because as a country we realize that hate crimes are wrong so we have started all those groups that you so nicely listed to stop it. Now unless you can list organizations in the other countries that do the same thing I would say we have spotted at least one of the differences between the two.

As the the posters on this thread throwing gays under the bus, please tell me which posts so I can be offended also.

Given that Islamists fire bombed and shot up a comic book publisher in Paris, imagine how well a LGBT organization would fare in Tehran

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