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Bama you will not find me among those that think just because millions of Muslims are peaceful this absolves them of all responsibility of these terrorists acts. I personally think Islam in general by its very nature and teachings breeds terrorism more so then other religions. But i will not blame the vast majority of Muslims for the specific acts of terrorists.

But what I believe, and will take the heat for, is my belief that peaceful Muslims do not do enough to stamp out radicals in their religion. Radicalism cannot exist on the scale it has manifested itself today without help, indifference and denial of responsibility by the leaders of the religion.

Butch

I agree that if more peace loving Muslims would speak out against the radicals it would help to keep the terrorist attacks under some degree of control. But Muslims living in the Middle East, and those that have immigrated from there have lived for many years knowing, or at least believing, that if they speak out against the radicals their lives, and the lives of their families will quite likely be targeted. Maybe I'm wrong, but I believe that is why more of them don't speak out, and living with that kind of fear, I could understand their silence.

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Speaking of which, it might be as well to stop and think for a bit about whether we have, in fact, grasped 'reality' when it comes to Islamist terrorism. See, one thesis has it that the purpose of such acts is to provoke a backlash against not just Islamists but all those claiming to represent the Muslim faith. This would radicalise (especially young) Muslims who've hitherto been moderate. Once radicalised, of course, they now have a 'home' to go, in ISIS. Either that, or they could be welcomed into the arms of Al Quaeda ....

Given that, yep, the terrorists and those on the extreme right who stand against them do have one, very crucial, aim in common: to get everyone else to see the world as they both do: as one mass population of 'right-thinking good people' against another mass population of 'wrong-thinking bad people'.

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ORIGINAL: MariaB

My husband knows some of the journalists that works within those offices. Last summer he visited their building and said they had armed police on the door who scrutinized his papers before letting him in. You can't run a political piss take magazine without consequences or risk, every journalist and political cartoonist knows that. They have already been fire bombed and they have been getting death threats for some time now. At least two of the cartoonists had private body guards and everyone was aware that it was just a matter of time and opportunity before something else happened. I'm sure nobody imagined it could be anything as horrific as this and that whatever it was, that they hopefully had enough protection.

Personally I don't like Charlie Hebdo because in my mind it steps too near the mark, especially recently but like I said, I have the right to be offended and if I'm offended I won't continue to view the content that offends me. The beauty of living in the west is, we have the rights of choice.

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ORIGINAL: ElChupa

c'mon, man. RELIGION OF PEACE! Say it over and over and over again. Yup, it's sill nonsense isn't it? EVERYWHERE in the world where the muslim population comes in contact with western society, there is conflict. AND IT'S OUR FAULT! http://cdn.collarchat.com/micons/m27.gif WAKE UP? Where are these so-called "moderates" anyway? Have you ever met or knew of a muslim moderate? ME NEITHER. Even your hero 0bama, aka "The Big Zero," isn't a moderate muslim.

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That is right use a terrorist attack to slam people who oppose the terrorists, real class.

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Even your own words help to establish how it is the leftists of the world who are determined to dehumanize and / or diminish those who disagree with them, as the Islamists do

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That is right use a terrorist attack to slam people who oppose the terrorists, real class.

Missed by a thousand miles, Bama. I focused on the extreme right who oppose terrorists and lump all others of a group - in this case Muslims - in with them. What is the matter with your comprehension? I specifically pointed out that what was wrong was to let it turn into one mass of people against another. Given that, why would I oppose *all* people (as you imply) who oppose the terrorists?

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ORIGINAL: PeonForHer

No, I said the 'extreme right'. Read it again.

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ORIGINAL: Lucylastic

you might wanna edit that bama

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ORIGINAL: Lucylastic

you might wanna edit that bama

Don't hold your breath Lucy.

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ORIGINAL: PeonForHer

No, I said the 'extreme right'. Read it again.

Sorry, of course you often seem to consider anyone to the right of Trotsky to be extreme.

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ORIGINAL: PeonForHer

No, I said the 'extreme right'. Read it again.

Sorry, of course you often seem to consider anyone to the right of Trotsky to be extreme.

I'd only seem that way to someone who can't read, can't think, or both. Still, apology accepted.