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ORIGINAL: Lucylastic

Freedom of religion and freedom of speech is often attempted to be denied here by many posters and for many reasons. Mostly hypocritically.
I doubt any regular poster here on the left or the right, atheist or christian or muslim or jew will not decry this horrible shitty cowardly murder of the people at Charlie Hebdo (cops included)
But that hasnt stopped some of our posters claiming otherwise.
quelle surprise.

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ORIGINAL: kdsub

Bama you will not find me among those that think just because millions of Muslims are peaceful this absolves them of all responsibility of these terrorists acts. I personally think Islam in general by its very nature and teachings breeds terrorism more so then other religions. But i will not blame the vast majority of Muslims for the specific acts of terrorists.

But what I believe, and will take the heat for, is my belief that peaceful Muslims do not do enough to stamp out radicals in their religion. Radicalism cannot exist on the scale it has manifested itself today without help, indifference and denial of responsibility by the leaders of the religion.

Butch

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ORIGINAL: Sanity

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ORIGINAL: Lucylastic

Freedom of religion and freedom of speech is often attempted to be denied here by many posters and for many reasons. Mostly hypocritically.
I doubt any regular poster here on the left or the right, atheist or christian or muslim or jew will not decry this horrible shitty cowardly murder of the people at Charlie Hebdo (cops included)
But that hasnt stopped some of our posters claiming otherwise.
quelle surprise.

You are confusing freedom of religion, with freedom from criticism

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ORIGINAL: BamaD

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ORIGINAL: kdsub

Bama you will not find me among those that think just because millions of Muslims are peaceful this absolves them of all responsibility of these terrorists acts. I personally think Islam in general by its very nature and teachings breeds terrorism more so then other religions. But i will not blame the vast majority of Muslims for the specific acts of terrorists.

But what I believe, and will take the heat for, is my belief that peaceful Muslims do not do enough to stamp out radicals in their religion. Radicalism cannot exist on the scale it has manifested itself today without help, indifference and denial of responsibility by the leaders of the religion.

Butch

Agreed, I know some good people who are Muslims, the precepts of Islam (the way of submission) is not, at it's heart extremist. Unfortunately Mohammed included to many things which excuse (note I did not say advocates) extremism.

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ORIGINAL: BamaD

From Aibo

'The prophet have been avenged' they left yelling when they fled

From me

Is this documented, it would seem to faintly imply that possibly the attackers might have some inclination toward Islamic extremism.

Of course a fair minded person would wait for proof that this wasn't the tea party trying to frame Jihadists.

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ORIGINAL: Musicmystery

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ORIGINAL: BamaD

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ORIGINAL: kdsub

Bama you will not find me among those that think just because millions of Muslims are peaceful this absolves them of all responsibility of these terrorists acts. I personally think Islam in general by its very nature and teachings breeds terrorism more so then other religions. But i will not blame the vast majority of Muslims for the specific acts of terrorists.

But what I believe, and will take the heat for, is my belief that peaceful Muslims do not do enough to stamp out radicals in their religion. Radicalism cannot exist on the scale it has manifested itself today without help, indifference and denial of responsibility by the leaders of the religion.

Butch

Agreed, I know some good people who are Muslims, the precepts of Islam (the way of submission) is not, at it's heart extremist. Unfortunately Mohammed included to many things which excuse (note I did not say advocates) extremism.

So, given that the Koran was written in the 7th century, a very different time, you're suggesting it should be read as a "living" document, not a strict fundamentalist/constructivist approach.

Good idea. What other documents written a few centuries ago should be recognized as from an older, different time?

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ORIGINAL: Lucylastic

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ORIGINAL: Sanity

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ORIGINAL: Lucylastic

Freedom of religion and freedom of speech is often attempted to be denied here by many posters and for many reasons. Mostly hypocritically.
I doubt any regular poster here on the left or the right, atheist or christian or muslim or jew will not decry this horrible shitty cowardly murder of the people at Charlie Hebdo (cops included)
But that hasnt stopped some of our posters claiming otherwise.
quelle surprise.

You are confusing freedom of religion, with freedom from criticism

LOL Yeah amazing how well that works out from ....certain" christians" on this board.
can give criticism in spadefuls but cant take it
Prime example being....oh ....YOU

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ORIGINAL: eulero83

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ORIGINAL: BamaD

From Aibo

'The prophet have been avenged' they left yelling when they fled

From me

Is this documented, it would seem to faintly imply that possibly the attackers might have some inclination toward Islamic extremism.

Of course a fair minded person would wait for proof that this wasn't the tea party trying to frame Jihadists.

Being in france I suppose you meant the Front national and not the tea party... anyway while the religious motivation, to say the least is probable, what usually concerns more is whether those two persons are part of a large terroristic organization or it is a plain hate crime, it makes no difference for the 12 dead persons but it is in terms of what countermeasures take.

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ORIGINAL: Sanity

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ORIGINAL: Lucylastic

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ORIGINAL: Sanity

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ORIGINAL: Lucylastic

Freedom of religion and freedom of speech is often attempted to be denied here by many posters and for many reasons. Mostly hypocritically.
I doubt any regular poster here on the left or the right, atheist or christian or muslim or jew will not decry this horrible shitty cowardly murder of the people at Charlie Hebdo (cops included)
But that hasnt stopped some of our posters claiming otherwise.
quelle surprise.

You are confusing freedom of religion, with freedom from criticism

LOL Yeah amazing how well that works out from ....certain" christians" on this board.
can give criticism in spadefuls but cant take it
Prime example being....oh ....YOU

Where have I ever suggested that anyone or anything should be free from criticism
where did I state that you did.
the only part that pertains to you is the being able to give criticism and not being able to take it

And why is it that you suffer from the delusion that I am a Christian
I dont suffer illusions about you, LOL thats why you are just a prime example of people who give it and cant take criticism...but i sure as hell refuse to argue with you about "you". I dont personally give a flying fuck what your religion is.
I have much more important shit going on that is taking up my precious time.
Go attempt to troll someone else.

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ORIGINAL: Lucylastic

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ORIGINAL: Sanity

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ORIGINAL: Lucylastic

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ORIGINAL: Sanity

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ORIGINAL: Lucylastic

Freedom of religion and freedom of speech is often attempted to be denied here by many posters and for many reasons. Mostly hypocritically.
I doubt any regular poster here on the left or the right, atheist or christian or muslim or jew will not decry this horrible shitty cowardly murder of the people at Charlie Hebdo (cops included)
But that hasnt stopped some of our posters claiming otherwise.
quelle surprise.

You are confusing freedom of religion, with freedom from criticism

LOL Yeah amazing how well that works out from ....certain" christians" on this board.
can give criticism in spadefuls but cant take it
Prime example being....oh ....YOU

Where have I ever suggested that anyone or anything should be free from criticism
where did I state that you did.
the only part that pertains to you is the being able to give criticism and not being able to take it

And why is it that you suffer from the delusion that I am a Christian
I dont suffer illusions about you, LOL thats why you are just a prime example of people who give it and cant take criticism...but i sure as hell refuse to argue with you about "you". I dont personally give a flying fuck what your religion is.
I have much more important shit going on that is taking up my precious time.
Go attempt to troll someone else.

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ORIGINAL: InLucylastic

pin my bits in for me :)

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ORIGINAL: Lucylastic

lol

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ORIGINAL: Musicmystery

After all, without *his* "in," ET would be "Ex Led Ty Rat," and that makes no sense.

Similarly...well, enough said.