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RE: News from the Society for the Perpetually Offended - 3/23/2015 6:22:30 PM

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As long as they were board certified oncologists or urologists.....fine.
But I'm not a woman living in a patriarchal society contemplating seeing two men discuss female reproductive rights.
If you see no cause for pause,fine...I happen to see where that might offend some.....and don't think that it falls under the heading of the "society for the perpetually offended"
Obviously you do,that's okay.
Not our first divergent viewpoint ,something tells me it won't be the last

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RE: News from the Society for the Perpetually Offended - 3/23/2015 6:37:25 PM

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As long as they were board certified oncologists or urologists.....fine.

Well then, what if the men were board certified neonatologists or obstetricians?

K.

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RE: News from the Society for the Perpetually Offended - 3/23/2015 6:43:25 PM

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Getting beat up poisoned for holding views "without reason" (the gall of some people).

Is that a reference to the Jewish man I met, whose great uncle had been killed in a concentration camp, K?

Whatever: What would you say to such a man, who'd offered the strongly held opinion that there's no reasoning with antisemites, and that unless you nip their racist language in the bud, you'll allow a belief to grow beyond a point where you can do anything about it - where, for instance, an ultra right wing political group suddenly gets elected to run your country - and then starts to talk about getting rid of an 'undesirable group in society' of which you happen to be a member?

I'm saying: there's not much point in enumerating all the possible, easy (not to say kind of boring) examples of 'pc gone mad'. What about the difficult ones - ones hinted at by this Jewish man that I met? I mean - to me, he had a plausible point: that, if you let racist language burgeon - because language is just language and that's what we should do in a civilised society - it can suddenly turn into something that's very uncivil indeed. For instance, at the time a putative Nazi party takes power. And at that point, it's too late: you, the Jew, are suddenly in very, very serious trouble.

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RE: News from the Society for the Perpetually Offended - 3/23/2015 6:48:40 PM

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As long as they were board certified oncologists or urologists.....fine.

Well then, what if the men were board certified neonatologists or obstetricians?

K.

They would still be men and the impression that this is still a patriarchal society is still there and can not be easily dismissed,whether or not you agree with it.

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RE: News from the Society for the Perpetually Offended - 3/23/2015 6:55:00 PM

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Getting beat up poisoned for holding views "without reason" (the gall of some people).

Is that a reference to the Jewish man I met, whose great uncle had been killed in a concentration camp, K?

Whatever: What would you say to such a man, who'd offered the strongly held opinion that there's no reasoning with antisemites, and that unless you nip their racist language in the bud, you'll allow a belief to grow beyond a point where you can do anything about it - where, for instance, an ultra right wing political group suddenly gets elected to run your country - and then starts to talk about getting rid of an 'undesirable group in society' of which you happen to be a member?

I'm saying: there's not much point in enumerating all the possible, easy (not to say kind of boring) examples of 'pc gone mad'. What about the difficult ones - ones hinted at by this Jewish man that I met? I mean - to me, he had a plausible point: that, if you let racist language burgeon - because language is just language and that's what we should do in a civilised society - it can suddenly turn into something that's very uncivil indeed. For instance, at the time a putative Nazi party takes power. And at that point, it's too late: you, the Jew, are suddenly in very, very serious trouble.

Hmmm...I'd say you do what is allowed. Let people be free to hold any belief they want, speak any way they want...But when those thoughts and expressions become actions outside the law, then action is taken.

You can try and "nip" anything in the bud that you want but it will not stop the mind. Unless you want to go to the point of establishing thought control. At that point, what makes you...And your decisions as to what constitutes "proper thought" any different than the regime you just described?

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RE: News from the Society for the Perpetually Offended - 3/23/2015 6:57:42 PM

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They would still be men and the impression that this is still a patriarchal society is still there and can not be easily dismissed,whether or not you agree with it.

Yeah, now we get to it. How do you know they would harbor patriarchal attitudes? Because all men are alike? You're prejudging them, which is exactly what you were huffing and puffing against earlier in the thread.

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RE: News from the Society for the Perpetually Offended - 3/23/2015 7:01:39 PM

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You can try and "nip" anything in the bud that you want but it will not stop the mind. Unless you want to go to the point of establishing thought control. At that point, what makes you...And your decisions as to what constitutes "proper thought" any different than the regime you just described?

So, that's what you'd say to the Jewish man I met, CD?

I'm asking because I want to make it abundantly clear, here, that we're not talking of a liberal lefty sort of man. He was not your average 'pc bore' that people love to hate. He was in fact a large, very aggressive man with a very understandable beef about the world. I'd be surprised if he was even a lefty, in fact - outside of his views on what he saw as 'neonazis'.

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RE: News from the Society for the Perpetually Offended - 3/23/2015 7:03:00 PM

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They would still be men and the impression that this is still a patriarchal society is still there and can not be easily dismissed,whether or not you agree with it.

Yeah, now we get to it. How do you know they would harbor patriarchal attitudes? Because all men are alike? You're prejudging them, which is exactly what you were huffing and puffing against earlier in the thread.

K.

Well that's a nice job of looking at it backwards.Them being men mean they are not woman...and that is the objection,the lack of a female discussing female reproductive policies.
It isn't actually possible that this didn't occur to you,is it ?

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RE: News from the Society for the Perpetually Offended - 3/23/2015 7:04:10 PM

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I'd be surprised if he was even a lefty, in fact - outside of his views on what he saw as 'neonazis'.

Are you obliquely suggesting here that those on the other side of the aisle hold positive views on neonazis?

K.

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RE: News from the Society for the Perpetually Offended - 3/23/2015 7:06:47 PM

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I'd be surprised if he was even a lefty, in fact - outside of his views on what he saw as 'neonazis'.

Are you obliquely suggesting here that those on the other side of the aisle hold positive views on neonazis?

K.

Come on, K. Don't avoid the question.

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RE: News from the Society for the Perpetually Offended - 3/23/2015 7:07:29 PM

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Well that's a nice job of looking at it backwards.Them being men mean they are not woman...and that is the objection,the lack of a female discussing female reproductive policies.
It isn't actually possible that this didn't occur to you,is it ?

It isn't actually possible that it didn't occur to you that there are women who oppose abortion, is it?

K.

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RE: News from the Society for the Perpetually Offended - 3/23/2015 7:19:35 PM

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Come on, K. Don't avoid the question.

Firstly, the question wasn't addressed to me. Secondly, why would you think I'd respond any differently to your Jewish man? Because he's Jewish? Seriously? Did I miss a memo about Jews? I'd say to your "Jewish man" exactly what I said to you.

And if you look again at the post you're responding to, you'll notice that you're the one avoiding a question.

K.

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RE: News from the Society for the Perpetually Offended - 3/23/2015 7:22:58 PM

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Okay ,you are going to have to show me how you got there.

Where,in this thread have I offered ANY opinion,pro or con on abortion ?

But no ,that isn't possible.

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RE: News from the Society for the Perpetually Offended - 3/23/2015 7:23:33 PM

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Here's the question that you avoided, K - or, to be charitable, you perhaps failed to see the first time around:

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Getting beat up poisoned for holding views "without reason" (the gall of some people).

Is that a reference to the Jewish man I met, whose great uncle had been killed in a concentration camp, K?

Whatever: What would you say to such a man, who'd offered the strongly held opinion that there's no reasoning with antisemites, and that unless you nip their racist language in the bud, you'll allow a belief to grow beyond a point where you can do anything about it - where, for instance, an ultra right wing political group suddenly gets elected to run your country - and then starts to talk about getting rid of an 'undesirable group in society' of which you happen to be a member?

I'm saying: there's not much point in enumerating all the possible, easy (not to say kind of boring) examples of 'pc gone mad'. What about the difficult ones - ones hinted at by this Jewish man that I met? I mean - to me, he had a plausible point: that, if you let racist language burgeon - because language is just language and that's what we should do in a civilised society - it can suddenly turn into something that's very uncivil indeed. For instance, at the time a putative Nazi party takes power. And at that point, it's too late: you, the Jew, are suddenly in very, very serious trouble.

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RE: News from the Society for the Perpetually Offended - 3/23/2015 7:37:07 PM

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Here's the question that you avoided, K - or, to be charitable, you perhaps failed to see the first time around:

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Getting beat up poisoned for holding views "without reason" (the gall of some people).

Is that a reference to the Jewish man I met, whose great uncle had been killed in a concentration camp, K?

I did indeed miss that post. But my answer remains the same; it refers to the idea; and I don't give a damn who proposed it.

Also, you're still avoiding my question.

K.

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RE: News from the Society for the Perpetually Offended - 3/23/2015 7:44:23 PM

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Okay ,you are going to have to show me how you got there.

I'm pointing out that men debating abortion might express nuanced and permissive views, while women debating it might prove quite the contrary. It has nothing to do with whether the debaters are men or women. It would depend solely on their views. So to preclude men from the debate simply because they are men, or to argue on that basis that the debate is illegitimate, is quite precisely sexist.

K.

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RE: News from the Society for the Perpetually Offended - 3/23/2015 8:11:08 PM

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You can try and "nip" anything in the bud that you want but it will not stop the mind. Unless you want to go to the point of establishing thought control. At that point, what makes you...And your decisions as to what constitutes "proper thought" any different than the regime you just described?

So, that's what you'd say to the Jewish man I met, CD?

I'm asking because I want to make it abundantly clear, here, that we're not talking of a liberal lefty sort of man. He was not your average 'pc bore' that people love to hate. He was in fact a large, very aggressive man with a very understandable beef about the world. I'd be surprised if he was even a lefty, in fact - outside of his views on what he saw as 'neonazis'.

No...And yes. I'd say that you cannot take away from any human in this country and in yours, the right to think FREELY, to believe FREELY, to speak FREELY. BUT...I'd also point out that we've learned some things. One of them being that you can think and believe and speak FREELY but you cannot speak so as to incite violence with your freedom of speech and you cannot use your thoughts and beliefs to justify carrying out violence...under threat of legal action. You can worry about any ultra right-wing or left-wing threat you want but in this country and in yours, can you tell me one that looks to be a legitimate threat to take over the government? Any group like that in this country or in yours that is drawing larger and larger throngs shouting that group's beliefs?

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RE: News from the Society for the Perpetually Offended - 3/23/2015 8:16:48 PM

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I don't see it like that Kirata,but that's alright it's a thread entitled "News from the Society for the Perpetually Offended "
Not like we are discussing things that matter ....I'm out of here,goodnight all

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RE: News from the Society for the Perpetually Offended - 3/24/2015 11:10:53 AM

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I did indeed miss that post. But my answer remains the same; it refers to the idea; and I don't give a damn who proposed it.

Also, you're still avoiding my question.

Yep - now you've answered mine, which preceded yours, I'm happy to.

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I'd be surprised if he was even a lefty, in fact - outside of his views on what he saw as 'neonazis'.

Are you obliquely suggesting here that those on the other side of the aisle hold positive views on neonazis?

No. I was pointing out that this man was not to be fitted into the standard stereotype of a lefty that is held by many righties.

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RE: News from the Society for the Perpetually Offended - 3/24/2015 12:26:09 PM

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Subcategory: News from the Society for the Perpetually Upset

Feminist conference asks attendees to use “Jazz Hands” because applause is “triggering anxiety”

Some delegates are requesting that we move to jazz hands rather than clapping, as it's triggering anxiety. Please be mindful!

You can't make this shit up.

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