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RE: Netanyahoo labels BDS a "strategic threat" - 6/13/2015 8:49:31 PM   
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If you or she, were actually concerned about a fair, non prejudicial debate, one, or both, of you would have said something to that idiot above discussing money lenders. But, you don't.

More to the point why didn't you say anything?

You are the one who has been throwing the anti-Semitic slur around liberally ever since you ran out of arguments a few pages ago. You are the one who has proclaimed himself judge and jury of all things anti-Semitic. Yet here was a blatant case of an ugly anti-Semitic comment and you ignore it - it doesn't matter to you. Why? Because there was no political criticism of Israel in the comment. You only use the anti-Semitic slur to slander people who make political criticisms of Israel after you have lost the argument. You use the slur selectively and cynically, and in doing so ignore and cheapen genuine anti-Semitism, as the Magnes Zionist blog I quoted above argues. Sadly this is SOP for the Zionist lobby. There is a long history of Zionists resorting to abuse and slander when they lose the argument on these boards, usually hoping to get the thread closed down in order to spare themselves more humiliation.

All this is crystal clear in the thread above. So for your education I am going to include another quote from the Magnes Zionist blog:
"The “Anti-Semitism” Charge against BDS is Intellectually Lazy. One of the arguments for BDS’s alleged anti-Semitism is that in singling out Israel for moral opprobrium, the movement reveals its true motivation, which is hatred of the Jewish state, ergo Jews. This is the tired argument of all those who wish to deflect attention away from their own human rights violations. Similar arguments were made by South Africa in response to calls for divestment during the apartheid era; by the Soviet Union, in response to calls for sanctions during the struggle for Soviet Jewish rights; by some southern US states, in response to calls for integration during the civil rights movement. To expect of Palestinians and their supporters that they will devote more of their energies to human rights abuses that little concern them is morally unreasonable. It is also hypocritical, in so far as those who criticize the BDS movement usually devote more of their own energies to supporting Israel than to fighting human rights violations elsewhere in the world. By their example they undermine their own argument.

Another argument is that the global BDS movement, in so far as it deals not only with Palestinian human rights violations in the Occupied Territories, but also calls for full equality for Israeli’s Palestinian citizens and recognition of the Palestinian right of return, wishes to delegitimize and destroy the State of Israel. And since the State of Israel understands itself as the expression of Jewish self-determination, the BDS movement is, in effect, if not by design, opposed to Jewish self-determination, ergo anti-Semitic. Yet this argument rest on a string of questionable assumptions. It concedes, unnecessarily, that the State of Israel can only survive if it foundationally discriminates against its non-Jewish citizens, or defies international recognition of the refugees’ right of return. It confuses criticism of Israel on these points with anti-Zionism, and anti-Zionism with anti-Semitism, all of which are distinct positions.

As for the “delegitimization” charge: Israel is a member of the United Nations and recognized by many countries. Its political legitimacy is no more nor less than that of the United States, Germany, Russia, North Korea and the Islamic Republic of Iran. But its moral legitimacy, like that of all states, rests on its adherence to human rights standards expected of all states.

The final argument is that the BDS movement, while itself not anti-Semitic, has attracted supporters who are either motivated by anti-Semitism, or who use anti-Semitic stereotypes and tropes. But even conceding this point, similar things are true of the pro-Israel movement, which has attracted supporters who are Islamophobes, anti-Palestinianist, Nakba deniers, and advocates of Jewish spiritual and metaphysical superiority. Bigotry is, unfortunately, a common vice, and its manifestations are to be condemned. But just as opponents of BDS are not necessarily, or even mostly, anti-Palestinian bigots, so the proponents of BDS are not necessarily, or even mostly, anti-Israeli bigots, much less anti-Semitic.

http://www.jeremiahhaber.com/2015/06/the-pro-palestinian-boycott-divestment.html

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RE: Netanyahoo labels BDS a "strategic threat" - 6/13/2015 8:58:36 PM   
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If you or she, were actually concerned about a fair, non prejudicial debate, one, or both, of you would have said something to that idiot above discussing money lenders. But, you don't.

More to the point why didn't you say anything?

You are the one who has been throwing the anti-Semitic slur around liberally ever since you ran out of arguments a few pages ago. You are the one who has proclaimed himself judge and jury of all things anti-Semitic. Yet here was a blatant case of an ugly anti-Semitic comment and you ignore it - it doesn't matter to you. Why? Because there was no political criticism of Israel in the comment. You only use the anti-Semitic slur to slander people who make political criticisms of Israel after you have lost the argument. You use the slur cynically, and in doing so ignore and cheapen genuine anti-Semitism, as the Magnes Zionist blog I quoted above states. Sadly this is SOP for the Zionist lobby. There is a long history of Zionists resorting to abuse and slander when they lose the argument on these boards, usually hoping to get the thread closed down in order to spare themselves more humiliation.

All this is crystal clear in the thread above. So for your education I am going to include another quote from the Magnes Zionist blog:
"The “Anti-Semitism” Charge against BDS is Intellectually Lazy. One of the arguments for BDS’s alleged anti-Semitism is that in singling out Israel for moral opprobrium, the movement reveals its true motivation, which is hatred of the Jewish state, ergo Jews. This is the tired argument of all those who wish to deflect attention away from their own human rights violations. Similar arguments were made by South Africa in response to calls for divestment during the apartheid era; by the Soviet Union, in response to calls for sanctions during the struggle for Soviet Jewish rights; by some southern US states, in response to calls for integration during the civil rights movement. To expect of Palestinians and their supporters that they will devote more of their energies to human rights abuses that little concern them is morally unreasonable. It is also hypocritical, in so far as those who criticize the BDS movement usually devote more of their own energies to supporting Israel than to fighting human rights violations elsewhere in the world. By their example they undermine their own argument.

Another argument is that the global BDS movement, in so far as it deals not only with Palestinian human rights violations in the Occupied Territories, but also calls for full equality for Israeli’s Palestinian citizens and recognition of the Palestinian right of return, wishes to delegitimize and destroy the State of Israel. And since the State of Israel understands itself as the expression of Jewish self-determination, the BDS movement is, in effect, if not by design, opposed to Jewish self-determination, ergo anti-Semitic. Yet this argument rest on a string of questionable assumptions. It concedes, unnecessarily, that the State of Israel can only survive if it foundationally discriminates against its non-Jewish citizens, or defies international recognition of the refugees’ right of return. It confuses criticism of Israel on these points with anti-Zionism, and anti-Zionism with anti-Semitism, all of which are distinct positions.

As for the “delegitimization” charge: Israel is a member of the United Nations and recognized by many countries. Its political legitimacy is no more nor less than that of the United States, Germany, Russia, North Korea and the Islamic Republic of Iran. But its moral legitimacy, like that of all states, rests on its adherence to human rights standards expected of all states.

The final argument is that the BDS movement, while itself not anti-Semitic, has attracted supporters who are either motivated by anti-Semitism, or who use anti-Semitic stereotypes and tropes. But even conceding this point, similar things are true of the pro-Israel movement, which has attracted supporters who are Islamophobes, anti-Palestinianist, Nakba deniers, and advocates of Jewish spiritual and metaphysical superiority. Bigotry is, unfortunately, a common vice, and its manifestations are to be condemned. But just as opponents of BDS are not necessarily, or even mostly, anti-Palestinian bigots, so the proponents of BDS are not necessarily, or even mostly, anti-Israeli bigots, much less anti-Semitic.

http://www.jeremiahhaber.com/2015/06/the-pro-palestinian-boycott-divestment.html


Copy & paste propaganda is "intellectually lazy"

Just sayin'

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RE: Netanyahoo labels BDS a "strategic threat" - 6/13/2015 9:13:03 PM   
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Sanity, the point of the quote is that it comes from a source that you cannot repudiate - the person who wrote it is a Zionist albeit a thinking and reasonable one unlike the Zionists posting here. And I note that you have no comment on the content of the quote.

He repudiates, in a calm and sensible fashion, the toxic lies that you and others have been spreading here because you cannot produce a counter argument to the many facts I have posted. So let's hear it if you have a counter to his argument. Or are you going to continue to rely on lies and abuse?

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RE: Netanyahoo labels BDS a "strategic threat" - 6/14/2015 9:49:15 AM   
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Sanity, the point of the quote is that it comes from a source that you cannot repudiate - the person who wrote it is a Zionist albeit a thinking and reasonable one unlike the Zionists posting here. And I note that you have no comment on the content of the quote.

He repudiates, in a calm and sensible fashion, the toxic lies that you and others have been spreading here because you cannot produce a counter argument to the many facts I have posted. So let's hear it if you have a counter to his argument. Or are you going to continue to rely on lies and abuse?

you really should stop the emotive, almost historical attack on things. The world is made up of more than you and your beliefs. Your hate isn't reasonable.

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RE: Netanyahoo labels BDS a "strategic threat" - 6/14/2015 12:19:42 PM   
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Sanity, the point of the quote is that it comes from a source that you cannot repudiate - the person who wrote it is a Zionist albeit a thinking and reasonable one unlike the Zionists posting here. And I note that you have no comment on the content of the quote.

He repudiates, in a calm and sensible fashion, the toxic lies that you and others have been spreading here because you cannot produce a counter argument to the many facts I have posted. So let's hear it if you have a counter to his argument. Or are you going to continue to rely on lies and abuse?
Is this lies? Abuse?

New Israel Fund (NIF) Director of Communications Naomi Paiss “Don’t Divest; Invest” makes an important statement by rejecting the global boycotts, divestment, and sanctions (BDS) movement and its accompanying “apartheid” rhetoric. Paiss reaffirms the notion that BDS is totally incongruous with Jewish values, and demonstrates that progressives within the community cannot tolerate its “inflammatory and counter-productive” agenda. Her piece is a sharp blow to the very legitimacy of BDS campaigns, particularly those conducted by Jewish groups (see “Peace Process or Land Grab?” by Rebecca Vilkomerson).

However, although her argument is compelling, Paiss significantly understates the case against BDS. Yes, attempts to isolate Israel “penalize the innocent along with the guilty, push moderates towards right-wing nationalism, and spur rejection of progressive and humanist values.” But, more importantly, BDS is the antithesis of universal human rights values, rooted in immoral double standards that single out and condemn Israel as a pariah state. The BDS movement also rejects the very existence of Israel as a Jewish entity. Inasmuch as BDS activists seek to eliminate Jewish self-determination, the movement (as a movement, not necessarily every individual linked to it) is anti-Semitic.

The core goals of the BDS agenda expose the true nature of the movement. One of them is the “rights of Palestinian refugees to return to their homes,” falsely portrayed as a “precept of international law.” There is no such legal obligation, nor is the right of return a peaceful goal. Rather, it is an attempt to reverse partition, refight 1948 – at least demographically – and overturn the right to Jewish sovereignty.

More here:
http://zeek.forward.com/articles/117084/

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RE: Netanyahoo labels BDS a "strategic threat" - 6/14/2015 12:41:27 PM   
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Goodness. It appears facts aren't facts at all.


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Inasmuch as BDS activists seek to eliminate Jewish self-determination, the movement (as a movement, not necessarily every individual linked to it) is anti-Semitic.


Goodness, I wonder why Tweaka would, then, lecture me on international law?


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The core goals of the BDS agenda expose the true nature of the movement. One of them is the “rights of Palestinian refugees to return to their homes,” falsely portrayed as a “precept of international law.” There is no such legal obligation, nor is the right of return a peaceful goal. Rather, it is an attempt to reverse partition, refight 1948 – at least demographically – and overturn the right to Jewish sovereignty.



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It is, therefore, no surprise that proponents of BDS resort to racist and anti-Semitic rhetoric.



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BDS methods are also emblematic of the anti-Semitic goals.




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For the mainstream Jewish community, BDS crosses a “red line” of acceptable activities. For instance, in February 2010 the Jewish Community Federation of San Francisco announced a policyto refuse funding to groups that “advocate for, or endorse, undermining the legitimacy of Israel as a secure independent, democratic Jewish state, including through participation in the Boycott, Divestment and Sanctions (BDS) movement, in whole or in part.



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Even before Paiss’ article, NIF had taken principled stands against BDS, including public opposition to the UC Berkeley divestment proposal – which, ironically, was backed by CWP. NIF must now acknowledge the immorality of the BDS movement and its incongruity with human rights values, and end all support for its grantees – such as CWP and Adalah – that engage in BDS and pursue anti-Israel de-legitimization campaigns.








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RE: Netanyahoo labels BDS a "strategic threat" - 6/14/2015 4:08:02 PM   
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The main Article of Resolution 1948, for the purpose of this article, is Article 11 which deals with the return of refugees.

Article 11 of the resolution reads:

(The General Assembly) Resolves that the refugees wishing to return to their homes and live at peace with their neighbours should be permitted to do so at the earliest practicable date, and that compensation should be paid for the property of those choosing not to return and for loss of or damage to property which, under principles of international law or in equity, should be made good by the Governments or authorities responsible.

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RE: Netanyahoo labels BDS a "strategic threat" - 6/14/2015 4:52:14 PM   
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The main Article of Resolution 1948, for the purpose of this article, is Article 11 which deals with the return of refugees.

Article 11 of the resolution reads:

(The General Assembly) Resolves that the refugees wishing to return to their homes and live at peace with their neighbours should be permitted to do so at the earliest practicable date, and that compensation should be paid for the property of those choosing not to return and for loss of or damage to property which, under principles of international law or in equity, should be made good by the Governments or authorities responsible.

Are you skipping that there are now links to people saying exactly about BDS what I've been saying? Oh, that's right, you don't follow threads do you. You just get on to poo poo stuff.

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RE: Netanyahoo labels BDS a "strategic threat" - 6/14/2015 4:58:09 PM   
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Fuck me, irony at its finest as you skip a UN Resolution...

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RE: Netanyahoo labels BDS a "strategic threat" - 6/14/2015 9:22:25 PM   
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In this short interview, Former Israeli Minister Shulamit Aloni reveals the truth about the 'anti-Semitic' slur: "Anti-semitic", "its a trick we always use it"
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D0kWAqZxJVE

One hopes that this revelation by a former Israeli Minister puts an end to the false claims. It certainly takes the ground from underneath those who rely on the slur in place of rational argument and evidence.


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RE: Netanyahoo labels BDS a "strategic threat" - 6/14/2015 9:46:40 PM   
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ORIGINAL: tweakabelle

In this short interview, Former Israeli Minister Shulamit Aloni reveals the truth about the 'anti-Semitic' slur: "Anti-semitic", "its a trick we always use it"
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D0kWAqZxJVE

One hopes that this revelation by a former Israeli Minister puts an end to the false claims. It certainly takes the ground from underneath those who rely on the slur in place of rational argument and evidence.


You really shouldn't use emotive, almost historical posting. The Article quoted organizations other than the Isreal government. Is it your contention that they all lie and you are the only truth giver? You didn't refutebany of the points, just called it a lie.

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RE: Netanyahoo labels BDS a "strategic threat" - 6/14/2015 10:10:51 PM   
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Here's another Israeli Jew asking people to boycott Israel to save Israel from itself:

http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2009/aug/21/israel-international-boycott

I wonder will the looney Right apologists for Israel posting here call this Israeli Jew an 'anti-Semite' too? Or is that a term they reserve only for members of other races?

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RE: Netanyahoo labels BDS a "strategic threat" - 6/14/2015 10:17:13 PM   
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In this short interview, Former Israeli Minister Shulamit Aloni reveals the truth about the 'anti-Semitic' slur: "Anti-semitic", "its a trick we always use it"
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D0kWAqZxJVE

One hopes that this revelation by a former Israeli Minister puts an end to the false claims. It certainly takes the ground from underneath those who rely on the slur in place of rational argument and evidence.



"Forget everything you know. There is no anti-Semitism now, it doesnt exist... "

Amazing

Where do you get all of your propaganda feeds anyway. Do they come in a daily newsletter or something



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RE: Netanyahoo labels BDS a "strategic threat" - 6/14/2015 10:19:27 PM   
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Here's another Israeli Jew asking people to boycott Israel to save Israel from itself:

http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2009/aug/21/israel-international-boycott

I wonder will the looney Right apologists for Israel posting here call this Israeli Jew an 'anti-Semite' too? Or is that a term they reserve only for members of other races?


The Guardian again

How surprising

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RE: Netanyahoo labels BDS a "strategic threat" - 6/14/2015 10:21:35 PM   
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Here's another Israeli Jew asking people to boycott Israel to save Israel from itself:

http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2009/aug/21/israel-international-boycott

I wonder will the looney Right apologists for Israel posting here call this Israeli Jew an 'anti-Semite' too? Or is that a term they reserve only for members of other races?


One of the marks of a fanatic racist is the inability so see other points of view, debate them reasonably and not denigrate them. I never called anyone a racist except you. I have seen all of your posts along with your tone and your inability to reason outside your dogma. I've seen you denigrate anything that doesn't agree with you. I've seen you express a lot of hate. I just don't think your hate stops at the border, so to speak.

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RE: Netanyahoo labels BDS a "strategic threat" - 6/15/2015 1:48:13 AM   
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ORIGINAL: tweakabelle

In this short interview, Former Israeli Minister Shulamit Aloni reveals the truth about the 'anti-Semitic' slur: "Anti-semitic", "its a trick we always use it"
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D0kWAqZxJVE

One hopes that this revelation by a former Israeli Minister puts an end to the false claims. It certainly takes the ground from underneath those who rely on the slur in place of rational argument and evidence.



"Forget everything you know. There is no anti-Semitism now, it doesnt exist... "

Amazing

Where do you get all of your propaganda feeds anyway. Do they come in a daily newsletter or something



Where did you get this quote from: ""Forget everything you know. There is no anti-Semitism now, it doesnt(sic) exist... "?? It's not from the interview I linked. Aloni says nothing that even vaguely resembles the quote. The interview is short - only a minute and twenty seconds long - so it's very easy for anyone to check this for themselves. As things stand, for all I or anyone else knows, you might have made it up yourself.

From the manner in which your post is constructed and reads, it looks as though the quote comes from Ms Aloni's comments. We know this isn't the case so it must come from somewhere else. Where is your quote from? Why didn't you provide a source? Was it your intention to mislead people into thinking the quote comes from Ms Aloni's comments or was this merely a happy coincidence?

Yet another dirty trick from the masters of the art - the Zionist lobby, its rapidly dwindling band of racist supporters and assorted apologists for ethnic cleansing and apartheid.

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RE: Netanyahoo labels BDS a "strategic threat" - 6/15/2015 3:07:10 AM   
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sorry double post

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RE: Netanyahoo labels BDS a "strategic threat" - 6/15/2015 3:37:34 AM   
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Sanity, the point of the quote is that it comes from a source that you cannot repudiate - the person who wrote it is a Zionist albeit a thinking and reasonable one unlike the Zionists posting here. And I note that you have no comment on the content of the quote.

He repudiates, in a calm and sensible fashion, the toxic lies that you and others have been spreading here because you cannot produce a counter argument to the many facts I have posted. So let's hear it if you have a counter to his argument. Or are you going to continue to rely on lies and abuse?
Is this lies? Abuse?
http://zeek.forward.com/articles/117084/

Here's just one example of lies and abuse I was referring to: "BDS is racist at the core. People like you who revel in anything that might harm the Jewish state are racists.", posted by Sanity. This kind of sickening crap is repeatedly posted by the likes of Sanity and Hunter to the exclusion of virtually everything else as a glance over the preceding pages will confirm.

You know perfectly well that the "lies" and "abuse" I was referring to are those posted previously on this thread, not some speech that hasn't been presented here, as the speech you quote from is. But thanks anyways for at least presenting a coherent argument. It has been a long time since anyone posting from the Zionist side has presented anything even vaguely resembling a coherent argument here. I hope the others adhere to the standard you have set.

One suspects that there is something wrong when far Right wing types like you present something coming from self styled 'progressive' sources. But, leaving that aside, let's examine Paiss' argument that BDS is at its core, anti-Semitic, and see if it is consistent with reality.

IF, and I stress if, it were the case that BDS is anti-Semitic, then it will be the case that BDS targets either Israeli or Jewish business either exclusively or predominantly. Some pages ago, I presented a list of Top 10 brands targetted by BDS published by the Christian Science Monitor.

Of the 10 brands, only 3 are Israeli - Sodastream, Ahava and Tiger/Sabra hummus. They are either located in Occupied Palestine or use produce of the Occupation in their products. The other 7 are multinationals - MacDonalds, Intel, Hewlett Packard, Volvo Group, Motorola, Pampers and Victoria's Secret. So the overwhelming majority of brands (7/10 or 70%) targetted by BDS are neither Israeli- or recognisably Jewish-owned or -operated. My guess is that more people would recognise them as American than anything else.

The primary criterion for targetting by the BDS movement is that the company must be profiting from the Israeli Occupation of Palestine. The religious/racial background of the owners or the location of its HQ is irrelevant. If it profits from the Occupation, then it's potentially a target. Thus the list above disproves the claim that BDS is anti-Semitic. As the Magnes Zionist blog confirms, " The “anti-Semitism” charge against BDS is false, intellectually lazy, and morally repugnant. It [BDS] not only explicitly opposes anti-Semitism; it is diametrically opposed to it." (my emphasis)

So Paiss' argument doesn't withstand scrutiny. The charge of anti-Semitism against BDS is demonstrably false. It is best considered alongside ex-Israeli Cabinet Minister Aloni's admission that "anti-Semitism" is a "trick we always use" to smear critics of Israel's indefensible Occupation of Palestine.

BDS is explicitly opposed to all types of racism especially anti-Semitism. (It would be nice if critics of BDS were the same, but defending ethnic cleansing and apartheid is an inherently and irreducibly racist stance. ) BDS targets business that profit from the Israeli Occupation of Palestine.

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Sanity, the point of the quote is that it comes from a source that you cannot repudiate - the person who wrote it is a Zionist albeit a thinking and reasonable one unlike the Zionists posting here. And I note that you have no comment on the content of the quote.

He repudiates, in a calm and sensible fashion, the toxic lies that you and others have been spreading here because you cannot produce a counter argument to the many facts I have posted. So let's hear it if you have a counter to his argument. Or are you going to continue to rely on lies and abuse?
Is this lies? Abuse?
http://zeek.forward.com/articles/117084/

Here's just one example of lies and abuse I was referring to: "BDS is racist at the core. People like you who revel in anything that might harm the Jewish state are racists.", posted by Sanity. This kind of sickening crap is repeatedly posted by the likes of Sanity and Hunter to the exclusion of virtually everything else as a glance over the preceding pages will confirm.

You know perfectly well that the "lies" and "abuse" I was referring to are those posted previously on this thread, not some speech that hasn't been presented here, as the speech you quote from is. But thanks anyways for at least presenting a coherent argument. It has been a long time since anyone posting from the Zionist side has presented anything even vaguely resembling a coherent argument here. I hope the others adhere to the standard you have set.

One suspects that there is something wrong when far Right wing types like you present something coming from self styled 'progressive' sources. But, leaving that aside, let's examine Paiss' argument that BDS is at its core, anti-Semitic, and see if it is consistent with reality.

IF, and I stress if, it were the case that BDS is anti-Semitic, then it will be the case that BDS targets either Israeli or Jewish business either exclusively or predominantly. Some pages ago, I presented a list of Top 10 brands targetted by BDS published by the Christian Science Monitor.

Of the 10 brands, only 3 are Israeli - Sodastream, Ahava and Tiger/Sabra hummus. They are either located in Occupied Palestine or use produce of the Occupation in their products. The other 7 are multinationals - MacDonalds, Intel, Hewlett Packard, Volvo Group, Motorola, Pampers and Victoria's Secret. So the overwhelming majority of brands (7/10 or 70%) targetted by BDS are neither Israeli- or recognisably Jewish-owned or -operated. My guess is that more people would recognise them as American than anything else.

The primary criterion for targetting by the BDS movement is that the company must be profiting from the Israeli Occupation of Palestine. The religious/racial background of the owners or the location of its HQ is irrelevant. If it profits from the Occupation, then it's potentially a target. Thus the list above disproves the claim that BDS is anti-Semitic. As the Magnes Zionist blog confirms, " The “anti-Semitism” charge against BDS is false, intellectually lazy, and morally repugnant. It [BDS] not only explicitly opposes anti-Semitism; it is diametrically opposed to it." (my emphasis)

So Paiss' argument doesn't withstand scrutiny. The charge of anti-Semitism against BDS is demonstrably false. It is best considered alongside ex-Israeli Cabinet Minister Aloni's admission that "anti-Semitism" is a "trick we always use" to smear critics of Israel's indefensible Occupation of Palestine.

BDS is explicitly opposed to all types of racism especially anti-Semitism. (It would be nice if critics of BDS were the same, but defending ethnic cleansing and apartheid is an inherently and irreducibly racist stance. ) BDS targets business that profit from the Israeli Occupation of Palestine.

It's not lies if it's true no matter how much you want it to go away. You have to find your hate in your heart and put it away and it doesn't look like you even want to do so.

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RE: Netanyahoo labels BDS a "strategic threat" - 6/15/2015 9:33:14 AM   
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Sanity, the point of the quote is that it comes from a source that you cannot repudiate - the person who wrote it is a Zionist albeit a thinking and reasonable one unlike the Zionists posting here. And I note that you have no comment on the content of the quote.

He repudiates, in a calm and sensible fashion, the toxic lies that you and others have been spreading here because you cannot produce a counter argument to the many facts I have posted. So let's hear it if you have a counter to his argument. Or are you going to continue to rely on lies and abuse?
Is this lies? Abuse?
http://zeek.forward.com/articles/117084/

Here's just one example of lies and abuse I was referring to: "BDS is racist at the core. People like you who revel in anything that might harm the Jewish state are racists.", posted by Sanity. This kind of sickening crap is repeatedly posted by the likes of Sanity and Hunter to the exclusion of virtually everything else as a glance over the preceding pages will confirm.

You know perfectly well that the "lies" and "abuse" I was referring to are those posted previously on this thread, not some speech that hasn't been presented here, as the speech you quote from is. But thanks anyways for at least presenting a coherent argument. It has been a long time since anyone posting from the Zionist side has presented anything even vaguely resembling a coherent argument here. I hope the others adhere to the standard you have set.

One suspects that there is something wrong when far Right wing types like you present something coming from self styled 'progressive' sources. But, leaving that aside, let's examine Paiss' argument that BDS is at its core, anti-Semitic, and see if it is consistent with reality.

IF, and I stress if, it were the case that BDS is anti-Semitic, then it will be the case that BDS targets either Israeli or Jewish business either exclusively or predominantly. Some pages ago, I presented a list of Top 10 brands targetted by BDS published by the Christian Science Monitor.

Of the 10 brands, only 3 are Israeli - Sodastream, Ahava and Tiger/Sabra hummus. They are either located in Occupied Palestine or use produce of the Occupation in their products. The other 7 are multinationals - MacDonalds, Intel, Hewlett Packard, Volvo Group, Motorola, Pampers and Victoria's Secret. So the overwhelming majority of brands (7/10 or 70%) targetted by BDS are neither Israeli- or recognisably Jewish-owned or -operated. My guess is that more people would recognise them as American than anything else.

The primary criterion for targetting by the BDS movement is that the company must be profiting from the Israeli Occupation of Palestine. The religious/racial background of the owners or the location of its HQ is irrelevant. If it profits from the Occupation, then it's potentially a target. Thus the list above disproves the claim that BDS is anti-Semitic. As the Magnes Zionist blog confirms, " The “anti-Semitism” charge against BDS is false, intellectually lazy, and morally repugnant. It [BDS] not only explicitly opposes anti-Semitism; it is diametrically opposed to it." (my emphasis)

So Paiss' argument doesn't withstand scrutiny. The charge of anti-Semitism against BDS is demonstrably false. It is best considered alongside ex-Israeli Cabinet Minister Aloni's admission that "anti-Semitism" is a "trick we always use" to smear critics of Israel's indefensible Occupation of Palestine.

BDS is explicitly opposed to all types of racism especially anti-Semitism. (It would be nice if critics of BDS were the same, but defending ethnic cleansing and apartheid is an inherently and irreducibly racist stance. ) BDS targets business that profit from the Israeli Occupation of Palestine.

So...they encourage boycotts against companies that are not run by Jews...therefore, the BDS is not anti-Semitic.

Bullshit.

This is the worst kind of racism or, if you prefer, anti-Jadaism. No...those companies aren't run by Jews but they continue to support Israel by doing business in/with Israel. So boycotting them is just as anti-Semitic as the boycotts against Jewish businesses...worse, because these companies do business elsewhere so you not only hurt Israel but you hurt other countries where these corporations do business.

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