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RE: Unidentified Man attacks Black Church in SC - 6/18/2015 10:49:21 AM   
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Your sentiment would be true Sanity if this were an isolated incident...but hell its not by a long shot. It is happening all the time... in our schools... and work places...and churches... in our movie theaters...in our bars...on the street... all without warning and all with one thing in common... easy access to GUNS.

We will be fools to continue to ignore these tragedies and not try to figure ways to stop them.

Butch

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RE: Unidentified Man attacks Black Church in SC - 6/18/2015 11:21:21 AM   
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He doesn't really feel anything for people and causes out of his comfort zone.

To Sanity, Bama and "the ISIS crowd" this is an isolated incident and they don't want to see it as terrorism or racism. They can't go there.

What a depraved act. Just mind boggling.

Who said this wasn't racist, most likely was. A racist nutjob in no way proves a right wing threat equal to ISIS.

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RE: Unidentified Man attacks Black Church in SC - 6/18/2015 11:25:25 AM   
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It's hard to see such act as SANE. Court psychologists have have found James Holmes to be sane.

That difficulty that you and many others have in seeing the act of killing someone as a sane thing to do is what led to the rampant use of the "insanity defense". Yes, I called him a nutjob...that doesn't mean he IS nuts. His actions are crazy...like James Holmes...but it doesnt mean he is.

When people begin to understand that you can be sane and yet believe in twisted things, we'll have a lot less use of that insanity defense.

You say it's hard to think of a SANE person doing those things...sadly, for me it isn't.

Some people don't believe in evil and dismiss it as insanity.

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RE: Unidentified Man attacks Black Church in SC - 6/18/2015 11:31:30 AM   
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Your sentiment would be true Sanity if this were an isolated incident...but hell its not by a long shot. It is happening all the time... in our schools... and work places...and churches... in our movie theaters...in our bars...on the street... all without warning and all with one thing in common... easy access to GUNS.

We will be fools to continue to ignore these tragedies and not try to figure ways to stop them.

Butch

What they have in common is evil men doing evil things, without guns he would have bombed the church, remember 16th street Baptist church?

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RE: Unidentified Man attacks Black Church in SC - 6/18/2015 11:33:26 AM   
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yeah if all them folks in church had had guns, they coulda protected themselves.
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RE: Unidentified Man attacks Black Church in SC - 6/18/2015 1:08:47 PM   
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As the news was breaking, and wIth no details except for the skin color of the shooter, the Charlestown police chief has labeled this a definate hate crime.



Before you make any political points, don't you think it might be an idea to condemn this awful shooting? Or is the horror secondary to the potential political capital for you? Or does it matter at all to you? At least Bama labelled the shooter a "psycho" which lets us all know he disapproves strongly of the perpetrator and his/her actions.

But from you Sanity silence nada zilch not even a squeak ...... I guess that tells its own story doesn't it?

Tweak, about three thousand years ago there was a Chinese philosopher named Mencious. We're not sure of the exact age. Mencious stated, and I paraphrase but I'll help you look up the exact quote, that when a child falls into a well everyone in the village is horrified. People are not horrified in order to show to their neighbors that they are normal and reasonable people. People do not act horrified in order to hide their shame at not feeling. It is a natural state for a person.

So, I wonder, in this case, why you have to speak up and ask if everyone is horrified? Are you just trying to cover for lack of connectivity to humans?

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RE: Unidentified Man attacks Black Church in SC - 6/18/2015 1:13:34 PM   
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You have such an amusing understanding of "the left".

Always makes me chuckle.

Thanks.

No debate. Merely spewing hate.

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RE: Unidentified Man attacks Black Church in SC - 6/18/2015 1:27:20 PM   
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Fast reply
Nine dead? who ever thinks 9 dead, is about lefties not caring just because of their fucking religion or colour, or whatever petty excuse you wanna use....congratulations. Why not call it what it was.... a terror attack....by a white american. not a muslim jihadist, not a black thug, not an illegal latino, soooooooo lets make this about the left.....celebrating the death of american christians.
what utter fucking filth.



Another one from your side who can sure use it to spew hate

"You never let a serious crisis go to waste. And what I mean by that it's an opportunity to do things you think you could not do before." - Rahm Emanuel


Sanity, I don't see any hate in Lucy's post. I do see contempt. There is a difference.

I share that contempt. That contempt is directed at those who want to exploit this vicious "hate crime" for their own political purposes. You know, people who refuse to condemn the crime and then twist the agony to make specious irrelevant self serving political points. You know, people like you.

Any one who is unable to condemn horrors like this but willing and able to use tragedies like this to make self serving political capital deserves contempt wouldn't you agree?

And what would be the root of contempt?

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contempt
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noun
1.
the feeling with which a person regards anything considered mean, vile, or worthless; disdain; scorn.
2.
the state of being despised; dishonor; disgrace.
3.
Law.
willful disobedience to or open disrespect for the rules or orders of a court (contempt of court) or legislative body.
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You don't even understand the hate you feel so intensely. That's why you think we're being hateful when we point it out. I see it a lot on the left.

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RE: Unidentified Man attacks Black Church in SC - 6/18/2015 1:34:12 PM   
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ORIGINAL: tweakabelle

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He doesn't really feel anything for people and causes out of his comfort zone.

To Sanity, Bama and "the ISIS crowd" this is an isolated incident and they don't want to see it as terrorism or racism. They can't go there.

What a depraved act. Just mind boggling.


Another crocodile tears leftist, first thing that comes to his mind is use it for a hate-filled attack

Can you guess who spoke these words

"But at a time when our discourse has become so sharply polarized -- at a time when we are far too eager to lay the blame for all that ails the world at the feet of those who think differently than we do -- it's important for us to pause for a moment and make sure that we are talking with each other in a way that heals, not a way that wounds."

How dare you talk about "healing" when you are unable to condemn this "heinous crime" (to quote Charleston's Police Chief) ??

How fucking dare you? Have you no shame at all?

Some good news: the police report having arrested the suspect and having him in custody. I hope he never sees daylight again.

And you have no sense of propriety or discourse.

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RE: Unidentified Man attacks Black Church in SC - 6/18/2015 1:43:01 PM   
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The left is going to be apoplectic about this tragedy.

9 (probably black so, automatically "victims") Christians (That makes them evil), killed by a white man (That makes him a racist; not a God-hater) ...

... in a church (A Gun-free zone)...

... the pastor being a state senator (separation of church and state. A Pastor has no business in politics) ...

... but an African American Republican (Automatically a race traitor).

The poor PPLs aren't going to know whether to shit or go blind.



Michael



Wow, that was breathtakingly cynical. Are we lefties such psychopaths, to you? I heard that a man had gone into a church and killed peaceful people. I was appalled. Simple as that. I don't know of anybody of any political hue who I could imagine feeling differently.


Wait for the spin Peon. As Eric Holder says, never waste a good crisis. But the answer to your question is, we've seen this sort of thing before and know how it will play out. Yes, that is what you on the left do.

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RE: Unidentified Man attacks Black Church in SC - 6/18/2015 1:47:52 PM   
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He doesn't really feel anything for people and causes out of his comfort zone.
To Sanity, Bama and "the ISIS crowd" this is an isolated incident and they don't want to see it as terrorism or racism. They can't go there.
What a depraved act. Just mind boggling.

I would say it is an isolated act. What would make you say otherwise?
Do you have proof he has done it before or plans to do it again?
Do you have proof that he is part of a group that has committed similar crimes or plans to do so?
As I said previously: racist nutcase. Lone white gunman.


If this nutbag hasn't done anything else, nor planned to do anything else, this shooting can still not be an "isolated incident." If this was a racially motivated offense, it's not isolated from other recent racially motivated offenses.

Would you consider the 9/11 attacks as "isolated incidents" because Mohammed Atta hadn't killed anyone prior, and wasn't planning on anything afterwards? Or, were the attacks not isolated from other terrorist attacks on the US?


Good points DS. Since he appears to have been arrested without incident, it implies to me he didn't have anything further planned. Unless the plan now involves a spotlight to spew his hate in the news. We'll see. And s point derived from that is, if you were the judge would you allow him a soap box to further spew hate and damage the community?

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RE: Unidentified Man attacks Black Church in SC - 6/18/2015 1:50:01 PM   
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ORIGINAL: cloudboy
He doesn't really feel anything for people and causes out of his comfort zone.
To Sanity, Bama and "the ISIS crowd" this is an isolated incident and they don't want to see it as terrorism or racism. They can't go there.
What a depraved act. Just mind boggling.

I would say it is an isolated act. What would make you say otherwise?
Do you have proof he has done it before or plans to do it again?
Do you have proof that he is part of a group that has committed similar crimes or plans to do so?
As I said previously: racist nutcase. Lone white gunman.


If this nutbag hasn't done anything else, nor planned to do anything else, this shooting can still not be an "isolated incident." If this was a racially motivated offense, it's not isolated from other recent racially motivated offenses.

Would you consider the 9/11 attacks as "isolated incidents" because Mohammed Atta hadn't killed anyone prior, and wasn't planning on anything afterwards? Or, were the attacks not isolated from other terrorist attacks on the US?




Yes I agree. Excellent post DS. It's a relief to be reminded that some on the Right are capable of thinking intelligently and expressing themselves eloquently. One wouldn't think so if we only had Sanity's or Hunter's posts to go by.

Couldn't just stop at good point. Had to get the passive aggressive hate expressed. Typical little tweaka. And, ah, tweak, what post are you referring to from me. I hadn't posted any by this point in the thread. Your hate and infatuation with me is showing again and your lying again. Poor thing, so twisted with hate.

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RE: Unidentified Man attacks Black Church in SC - 6/18/2015 2:20:02 PM   
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Like too many other cases, it appears this young man was using or abusing a drug linked to dark personality changes and violence.

K.

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RE: Unidentified Man attacks Black Church in SC - 6/18/2015 2:23:42 PM   
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I would say it is an isolated act. What would make you say otherwise?

Do you have proof he has done it before or plans to do it again?

Do you have proof that he is part of a group that has committed similar crimes or plans to do so?

As I said previously: racist nutcase. Lone white gunman.



Actually, I think it's pretty fair to say that this was probably the beginning of a spree killing, much like the Charlie Hebdo attacks (Killed people in the Charlie office and then just moved to a Jewish deli).

I think law enforcement got very lucky that this guy was so stupid/tunnel visioned.

I've always been proud that we have some of the stupidest criminals on the planet, right here, at home. If they weren't so stupid, we'd never catch some of them.



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RE: Unidentified Man attacks Black Church in SC - 6/18/2015 2:23:51 PM   
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He is apparently a mentally ill drug addict, with a record.
Sound familiar?
Didn't get the gun through legal channels.
Sound familiar?
Not part of any group.

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RE: Unidentified Man attacks Black Church in SC - 6/18/2015 2:53:47 PM   
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Hardly... Try and get explosives in this post 9/11

But he did not have to go to the trouble... Guns are easy to come by and require no expertise.

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RE: Unidentified Man attacks Black Church in SC - 6/18/2015 3:21:15 PM   
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Hardly... Try and get explosives in this post 9/11

But he did not have to go to the trouble... Guns are easy to come by and require no expertise.

Ever hear of Molotov Cocktails?

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RE: Unidentified Man attacks Black Church in SC - 6/18/2015 3:40:10 PM   
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Hardly... Try and get explosives in this post 9/11

But he did not have to go to the trouble... Guns are easy to come by and require no expertise.

I go to the hardware store and buy the ingredients for anfo all the time. I just don't use the ingredients for that. But, because I reload my own bullets, I probably have 60 pounds of gunpowder on hand. I just don't, never sayin never have, make bombs out of it.

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RE: Unidentified Man attacks Black Church in SC - 6/18/2015 3:46:14 PM   
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Hardly... Try and get explosives in this post 9/11

But he did not have to go to the trouble... Guns are easy to come by and require no expertise.

I go to the hardware store and buy the ingredients for anfo all the time. I just don't use the ingredients for that. But, because I reload my own bullets, I probably have 60 pounds of gunpowder on hand. I just don't, never sayin never have, make bombs out of it.

I understand that anyone who has had high school can whip up sarin gas.
Boston , pressure cookers.
I also have and never have had any interest in making bombs.

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RE: Unidentified Man attacks Black Church in SC - 6/18/2015 4:10:09 PM   
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Did he use them... I must have missed that

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