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RE: Unidentified Man attacks Black Church in SC - 6/18/2015 4:11:08 PM

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Did he... i must have miss that too.

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RE: Unidentified Man attacks Black Church in SC - 6/18/2015 6:18:53 PM

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Your sentiment would be true Sanity if this were an isolated incident...but hell its not by a long shot. It is happening all the time... in our schools... and work places...and churches... in our movie theaters...in our bars...on the street... all without warning and all with one thing in common... easy access to GUNS.

We will be fools to continue to ignore these tragedies and not try to figure ways to stop them.

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RE: Unidentified Man attacks Black Church in SC - 6/18/2015 6:26:03 PM

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Did he use them... I must have missed that

No but stopping guns wouldn't have stopped him.

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RE: Unidentified Man attacks Black Church in SC - 6/18/2015 6:34:09 PM

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Did he use them... I must have missed that

No but stopping guns wouldn't have stopped him.

Didn't the idiots at Columbine make propane bombs, that thankfully didn't go off?

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RE: Unidentified Man attacks Black Church in SC - 6/18/2015 6:36:17 PM

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Did he use them... I must have missed that

No but stopping guns wouldn't have stopped him.

Didn't the idiots at Columbine make propane bombs, that thankfully didn't go off?

Had they known a little more they could have detonated them and the death toll would have been much worse.

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RE: Unidentified Man attacks Black Church in SC - 6/18/2015 6:46:00 PM

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Did he use them... I must have missed that

No but stopping guns wouldn't have stopped him.

Didn't the idiots at Columbine make propane bombs, that thankfully didn't go off?

Had they known a little more they could have detonated them and the death toll would have been much worse.

Agreed. Or, not necessarily needed more information so much as skill. R&D. Maybe tried one in the back yard or something.

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RE: Unidentified Man attacks Black Church in SC - 6/18/2015 7:06:55 PM

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We know he used a gun to kill... You can only guess that without one he would have found another way... you or I don't know. But we do know he took their lives with a 45.

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RE: Unidentified Man attacks Black Church in SC - 6/18/2015 7:09:20 PM

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Hmmm funny I don't remember any deaths in that manner... Please refresh my memory... What did they kill with?

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RE: Unidentified Man attacks Black Church in SC - 6/18/2015 7:09:50 PM

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We know he used a gun to kill... You can only guess that without one he would have found another way... you or I don't know. But we do know he took their lives with a 45.

Butch

That cuts both ways, you say we don't know that he would have used a different, more lethal method, but by the same token you can't say he wouldn't. The problem is hate, not tools, hate will find a way.

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RE: Unidentified Man attacks Black Church in SC - 6/18/2015 7:11:52 PM

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No it only cuts one way... He used a gun.. As too many in the recent past

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RE: Unidentified Man attacks Black Church in SC - 6/18/2015 7:13:52 PM

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The polarization that happen on threads here is a much smaller scale of what is happening in America where these crimes are being commited. So much anger at someone else. I just don't comprehend it. Because they are: 'insert hated person or people'
White
Black
Gay
Straight
Left Winged Liberal
Right Winged Conservative
Democrat
Republican
Christian, Wiccan, Muslim, Jewish etc and so on via religions
Short
Tall
Fat
Thin

You get the drift. If people here can't even discuss an issue without annoying each other, what makes us believe that others who do not agree with any other group will? Now add in radical beliefs that your group or people are superior to others, a mental health issue, and some guns and it's a hate crime in the making.

We are doomed as a society........

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RE: Unidentified Man attacks Black Church in SC - 6/18/2015 7:17:48 PM

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Your sentiment would be true Sanity if this were an isolated incident...but hell its not by a long shot. It is happening all the time... in our schools... and work places...and churches... in our movie theaters...in our bars...on the street... all without warning and all with one thing in common... easy access to GUNS.

We will be fools to continue to ignore these tragedies and not try to figure ways to stop them.

Butch

What would you suggest ?

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RE: Unidentified Man attacks Black Church in SC - 6/18/2015 7:23:13 PM

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No it only cuts one way... He used a gun.. As too many in the recent past

First off you know that a gun ban would affect legitimate owners years before it affected criminals so you want to leave a generation, or at least half a generation with no way to defend themselves. Look how much good stopping legitimate owners did in DC and Chicago.
There is no way this man could get a gun legally as it is, and I suspect that his father may be legally liable as well, (I don't know where NC law stands on this) as he was a drug addict and possibly a convicted felon.

And last month in Philly a ccw holder stopped a mass shooting in a barber shop, didn't make a lot of the news because there was only one dead body, the nutcase.

As I have pointed out before even the FBI admits to over half a million defensive uses of firearms a year, a number which is without question under reported.

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RE: Unidentified Man attacks Black Church in SC - 6/18/2015 7:29:51 PM

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The facts of the crime... as a hate crime against blacks... must be considered in his sentencing... that is enough.

Butch

Hate crimes again ? So if this guy had a falling out with the preachers daughter who he was bangin and didn't want to leave any witnesses behind, that's somehow not as bad as a hate crime ? So the hate crime gets him a few extra days on his sentence to make some people feel better ?

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RE: Unidentified Man attacks Black Church in SC - 6/18/2015 7:30:43 PM

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No it only cuts one way... He used a gun.. As too many in the recent past

You think you can say, with absolute confidence that without a gun he wouldn't have simply have thrown a lit bottle of gasoline threw the window?
Again the problem is hate, not the tool.
As long as we pretend that dealing with the tool will fix the problem we will get nowhere.

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RE: Unidentified Man attacks Black Church in SC - 6/18/2015 7:43:29 PM

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Hmmm funny I don't remember any deaths in that manner... Please refresh my memory... What did they kill with?

I'm sorry KDSub, I don't know to which comment thiamin addressed.

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RE: Unidentified Man attacks Black Church in SC - 6/18/2015 8:28:14 PM

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Hmmm funny I don't remember any deaths in that manner... Please refresh my memory... What did they kill with?

I'm sorry KDSub, I don't know to which comment thiamin addressed.

He was trying to make a point because the bombs at Columbine didn't go off.

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People don't believe they can defend themselves because they have guns, they have guns because they believe they can defend themselves.

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RE: Unidentified Man attacks Black Church in SC - 6/18/2015 8:53:15 PM

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Hmmm funny I don't remember any deaths in that manner... Please refresh my memory... What did they kill with?

I'm sorry KDSub, I don't know to which comment thiamin addressed.

He was trying to make a point because the bombs at Columbine didn't go off.

That's true. But they tried. There were propane bombs scattered throughout the classrooms. They did try.

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RE: Unidentified Man attacks Black Church in SC - 6/18/2015 8:57:00 PM

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ORIGINAL: kdsub

Hmmm funny I don't remember any deaths in that manner... Please refresh my memory... What did they kill with?

I'm sorry KDSub, I don't know to which comment thiamin addressed.

He was trying to make a point because the bombs at Columbine didn't go off.

That's true. But they tried. There were propane bombs scattered throughout the classrooms. They did try.

I know, and with a little more knowledge they would have killed 4 times as many as they did.

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People don't believe they can defend themselves because they have guns, they have guns because they believe they can defend themselves.

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RE: Unidentified Man attacks Black Church in SC - 6/18/2015 8:58:42 PM

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The polarization that happen on threads here is a much smaller scale of what is happening in America where these crimes are being commited. So much anger at someone else. I just don't comprehend it. Because they are: 'insert hated person or people'
White
Black
Gay
Straight
Left Winged Liberal
Right Winged Conservative
Democrat
Republican
Christian, Wiccan, Muslim, Jewish etc and so on via religions
Short
Tall
Fat
Thin

You get the drift. If people here can't even discuss an issue without annoying each other, what makes us believe that others who do not agree with any other group will? Now add in radical beliefs that your group or people are superior to others, a mental health issue, and some guns and it's a hate crime in the making.

We are doomed as a society........

I absolutely agree with you. But may I add a couple of points. It's not the conservative side that has made up rules of what you may or may not say in public. It's not the conservative side that invents "triggers" that must not be broached and never discussed. It's not the conservative side that makes these things so that they can control people and speech. What we are doing here is after years of being stifled in public saying we'll not put up with that sort of BS anymore. The only way the divide can be resolved is discussion which PC speaking won't allow. So, I see that there will be a transition period where we take back our voice and stop allowing the only discussion to be voiced to be controlled by the liberal side.

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