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RE: State of emergency declared in Ferguson MO - 8/27/2015 7:37:30 PM   
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Status: offline 		In this story, the reporter lists the 12 "key" excerpts from the DOJ report. Apparently, the reporter disagrees with you, funny...or he couldn't find the paragraph about a cop sticking his gun in a man's face, demanding his wallet.

The 12 key highlights from the DOJ’s scathing Ferguson report
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By Mark Berman and Wesley Lowery March 4  



Police officers watch protesters in Ferguson last November. (Charlie Riedel/AP)
Seven months after a white Ferguson police officer shot and killed an unarmed 18-year-old, the Justice Department has issued a searing report into policing and court practices in the Missouri city. Investigators determined that in “nearly every aspect of Ferguson’s law enforcement system,” African Americans are impacted a severely disproportionate amount. The report included racist e-mails sent by police and municipal court supervisors, repeated examples of bias in law enforcement and a system that seemed built upon using arrest warrants to squeeze money out of residents.

Here are some key excerpts from the report:

The city’s practices are shaped by revenue rather than by public safety needs.


The 67% of African Americans in Ferguson account for 93% of arrests made from 2012-2014.


Here is what happened when a 32-year-old black man was seen resting in his car after playing basketball.


A Ferguson woman parked her car illegally once in 2007. It ended up costing her more than $1,000 and 6 days in jail.


The disproportionate number of arrests, tickets and use of force stemmed from “unlawful bias,” rather than black people committing more crime.


A singled missed, late or partial payment of a fine could mean jail time.


Arrest warrants are “almost exclusively” used as threats to push for payments.


And if time is served, no credit for jail time is received and the length of time isn’t even recorded by the court.


This example of a lieutenant’s actions was a huge cause for concern:


Officers used a dog to attack an unarmed 14-year-old black boy and then struck him while he was lying on the ground, all while he was waiting for his friends in an abandoned house. The report concludes that in every dog bite incident reported, the person bitten was black.


After an officer assaulted a man, he demanded the man not pass out because he didn’t want to carry him to his car.


From October 2012 to October 2014, every time a person was arrested because he or she was “resisting arrest,” that person was black.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/news/post-nation/wp/2015/03/04/the-12-key-highlights-from-the-dojs-scathing-ferguson-report/



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RE: State of emergency declared in Ferguson MO - 8/27/2015 7:50:52 PM   
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In this story, the reporter lists the 12 "key" excerpts from the DOJ report. Apparently, the reporter disagrees with you, funny...or he couldn't find the paragraph about a cop sticking his gun in a man's face, demanding his wallet.


He doesn't disagree with me... There is no paragraph that states that... in that way. Like i said keep his feet to the fire and make him produce the direct link... but you will wait some time I'm afraid while he figures a way to twist the truth. There is a story where the officer did wrongly, at least according to the DOJ report, pull a gun on a man that refused to produce a licence...but he didn't just stick the gun in the window and demand his wallet... that's bullshit.

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RE: State of emergency declared in Ferguson MO - 8/28/2015 4:15:35 AM   
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RE: State of emergency declared in Ferguson MO - 8/28/2015 4:44:52 PM   
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Sorry, I'd...that was meant for gunny. But you're right, he hasn't come back with the paragraph.

You have been given the data if you choose not to read it that would be your issue and not mine. Is there something in the DOJ report you do not want to see?
I find it curious that you wish to discuss the issues in Ferguson but refuse to aquaint yourself with the facts in this issue. The DOJ issued a report concerning the actions of the Ferguson police department. You choose not to read it. How is it possible to disagree with something you have not read?

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RE: State of emergency declared in Ferguson MO - 8/28/2015 5:33:57 PM   
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I am sure we will agree that the opinions of fools are extremely easy to come by.


And no one makes that more obvious than you.


When I notice the mutterings of a fool I tend to point out the obvious.

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RE: State of emergency declared in Ferguson MO - 8/28/2015 5:52:04 PM   
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Sorry, I'd...that was meant for gunny. But you're right, he hasn't come back with the paragraph.

You have been given the data if you choose not to read it that would be your issue and not mine. Is there something in the DOJ report you do not want to see?
I find it curious that you wish to discuss the issues in Ferguson but refuse to aquaint yourself with the facts in this issue. The DOJ issued a report concerning the actions of the Ferguson police department. You choose not to read it. How is it possible to disagree with something you have not read?
Why...If you have the information at hand and are more familiar with it...can't you just post the paragraph(s) detailing this officer's alleged misdeed?

I find it curious that the journalist failed to count your incident as one of the examples given above and curious that you don't bring said paragraph forward.

As for disagreeing with it, I did not. I questioned the account as...when you go searching for "DOJ report details officer sticking gun in man's face"...nothing pops up. And of the stories that DO pop up, not one of them mentions the incident that you do, including the story cited above concerning the '12 key incidents' from the Ferguson report. It lists at least 5 incidents of Police Abuse...of course, all recounted by the victims with no corroboration by anyone else...and not one of them seem as serious as the account you note. Yet, those 5 are part of the '12 key incidents' from the Ferguson DOJ Report.

To be honest...if that story has no more corroboration than the incidents noted above AND given the tension, controversy and attention focused on Ferguson last year...I'd be a little suspicious of that story too.

But again, this thread wasn't about the DOJ report on Ferguson.

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RE: State of emergency declared in Ferguson MO - 8/28/2015 6:11:39 PM   
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But again, this thread wasn't about the DOJ report on Ferguson


If you choose not to read the article it is no skin off of my nose.
I made a statement and you asked for a cite. I gave you the cite and you refuse to read it.
Instead you choose to argue about being off topic.
Do as you choose.Should you choose to read the DOJ report I would be more than happy to discuss it with you.
It would be difficult for you to refute my statement without reading the DOJ report. Is there something in the report you do not wish to know???

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RE: State of emergency declared in Ferguson MO - 8/28/2015 7:09:36 PM   
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RE: State of emergency declared in Ferguson MO - 8/28/2015 8:23:53 PM   
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lol

I just saw where St Louis leaders have allegedly approved an 11 dollar minimum wage so obviously everything will be hunky dorry there.

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RE: State of emergency declared in Ferguson MO - 8/28/2015 8:26:01 PM   
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It would be difficult for you to refute my statement without reading the DOJ report.

And it's impossible for you to defend your statement without quoting the supporting text for your claim.

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RE: State of emergency declared in Ferguson MO - 8/29/2015 5:17:49 AM   
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But again, this thread wasn't about the DOJ report on Ferguson


If you choose not to read the article it is no skin off of my nose.
I made a statement and you asked for a cite. I gave you the cite and you refuse to read it.
Instead you choose to argue about being off topic.
Do as you choose.Should you choose to read the DOJ report I would be more than happy to discuss it with you.
It would be difficult for you to refute my statement without reading the DOJ report. Is there something in the report you do not wish to know???

No, it would not. I don't need to read the whole report to refute one part of it. If you can't bring the paragraph forward or choose not to, that's your choice.

As for there being something in the report I don't wish to know...no, I'm sure there isn't. I'm sure that the whole report is just as the story I brought to you earlier...a condemnation of a mainly white police department, a mainly white government, and a recounting of all the ills suffered by blacks living under that regime. I've read enough about Ferguson to know that changes need to be made.

I'be also read enough to know Officer Wilson wasn't guilty, except of being a white cop trying to do his job...and losing it in the process... and that Michael Brown was a young smart-ass black thug...a rarity, I'm sure, in Ferguson. Funny...those points weren't mentioned in the article I cited.

As for me speaking to you about being off-topic, that's exactly what you've been in moving the discussion away from the original post that started this thread and my original post ON the subject at hand.

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RE: State of emergency declared in Ferguson MO - 8/29/2015 2:02:12 PM   
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It would seem counterintuitive to try to discuss the issues in Ferguson without having read the DOJ report. As you have mentioned the only part you are interested in is that the officer involved was not indited. So obviously you are not interested in this discussion. Should you at some time in the future wish to enter into such a discussion I would be more than happy to join.

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RE: State of emergency declared in Ferguson MO - 8/29/2015 2:04:51 PM   
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It would be difficult for you to refute my statement without reading the DOJ report.

And it's impossible for you to defend your statement without quoting the supporting text for your claim.

K.





This would be opinion supported by nothing more than opinion.
Would you care to comment on the DOJ report? Or do you also feel it is irrelevant to the discussion?

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RE: State of emergency declared in Ferguson MO - 8/29/2015 6:56:53 PM   
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It would be difficult for you to refute my statement without reading the DOJ report.

And it's impossible for you to defend your statement without quoting the supporting text for your claim.

This would be opinion supported by nothing more than opinion.

Yeah, no. My opinion is that you're either mistaken or just making shit up.

If a cop sticks a gun in your face and demands your wallet what do you do?
http://www.collarchat.com/fb.asp?m=4832909
Do you havhave proof that any police officer has done such a thing or is this another one of your mystic, whimsical analogies?
http://www.collarchat.com/fb.asp?m=4832932
It is in the DOJ report on Ferguson... That is where I read it.
http://www.collarchat.com/fb.asp?m=4833305

Hint: A word search of the report returns no results for "wallet".

K.



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RE: State of emergency declared in Ferguson MO - 8/29/2015 7:58:02 PM   
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RE: State of emergency declared in Ferguson MO - 8/30/2015 3:36:46 AM   
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Why...If you have the information at hand and are more familiar with it...can't you just post the paragraph(s) detailing this officer's alleged misdeed?


You have been told where the information is.

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I find it curious that the journalist failed to count your incident as one of the examples given above and curious that you don't bring said paragraph forward.


I find it curious that one would rely on a reporters opinion of something rather than form ones own opinions by reading the original document.

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As for disagreeing with it, I did not. I questioned the account as...when you go searching for "DOJ report details officer sticking gun in man's face"...nothing pops up. And of the stories that DO pop up, not one of them mentions the incident that you do, including the story cited above concerning the '12 key incidents' from the Ferguson report.


There will always be those who rely on "Cliff Notes" rather than primary sources.


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It lists at least 5 incidents of Police Abuse...of course, all recounted by the victims with no corroboration by anyone else...



Is it the corroboration found in the DOJ report that you do not wish to see?

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and not one of them seem as serious as the account you note. Yet, those 5 are part of the '12 key incidents' from the Ferguson DOJ Report.


None of which have you read except by proxy

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To be honest...if that story has no more corroboration than the incidents noted above AND given the tension, controversy and attention focused on Ferguson last year...I'd be a little suspicious of that story too.


I can well understand your scepticism of a newspaper story. That is why I suggested you read the DOJ report.

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But again, this thread wasn't about the DOJ report on Ferguson.


While this thread may not be about the DOJ report the DOJ report is most assuredly about this thread.

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RE: State of emergency declared in Ferguson MO - 8/30/2015 3:41:32 AM   
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No, it would not. I don't need to read the whole report to refute one part of it.


Logical fallacy


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As for there being something in the report I don't wish to know...no, I'm sure there isn't.



Without reading a document you are sure that there is nothing in it that you do not wish to know would be another logical fallacy.


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RE: State of emergency declared in Ferguson MO - 8/30/2015 3:50:37 AM   
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This would be opinion supported by nothing more than opinion.


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Yeah, no. My opinion is that you're either mistaken or just making shit up.


"Opinions Vary"

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RE: State of emergency declared in Ferguson MO - 8/30/2015 4:08:28 AM   
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No, it would not. I don't need to read the whole report to refute one part of it.

Logical fallacy

Yeah, no. It requires only a word search to verify that there is nothing in the report about a "wallet". Don't you have any insect friends to play with?

K.


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RE: State of emergency declared in Ferguson MO - 8/30/2015 4:18:30 AM   
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Yeah, no. It requires only a word search to verify that there is nothing in the report about a "wallet".

K.

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