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RE: What do senders do that they can so quickly POUNCE ... - 11/6/2015 1:32:13 PM

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ORIGINAL: crumpets
To my credit, you have to remember that I'm not at all complaining that women don't seem to understand the physics of clothing (I'm all for tits and ass); what I'm clarifying is the subsequent disingenuous accusation of "creepy" stalking, under circumstances that aren't even close.

Life does not come with a judge who validates your every action. If a woman calls you a creepy stalker there's a real good chance your social ineptitude or obsessiveness is responsible. It doesn't matter what arguments you think you have to invalidate her position - the fact that you think they'll do you any good is a fundamental denial of reality.

Best post of the week.
Altho...the fact that people are saying he is creepy, unethical etc etc, he aint listening. Just more self justification, not arguments. Hes loving the attention.

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RE: What do senders do that they can so quickly POUNCE ... - 11/6/2015 1:32:44 PM

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It's ONE thing to catch a momentary glimpse, to have a quick look.
But to OGLE, leer, lust, stare, and OBJECTIFY (study, if you prefer) the woman in your view is quite another.

Well will you look at that.

From your writing, I had always thought you were incapable of understanding anything that required intelligence, yet, today, you surprise me by agreeing with the premise that I have been making all along.

In your dreams!!
I don't agree with one single word of any utterance you have made on this thread.
Where have you made any reference that your behaviour is despicable and stalker-ish??
You haven't.
You have tried to squirm, wriggle, and twist people's words to agree with your justification of your bad and inept behaviour.
Either that or you have dismissed it out of hand with yet more inept justifications.

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ORIGINAL: crumpets

I agree with you fully and completely.
In fact, I've said it many times in this thread.

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PARAPHRASED: crumpets
It's one thing to perform a rudimentary quick geolocation of an email header; but to physically get out of your chair to to break into someone's garage to vandalize and sabotage her vehicle is quite another.

Different ball of wax.
As an example - see the excerpt that I quoted from your post#58.

As I have said many times already, it's not the geolocating that's the problem, your actions of changing your zipcode by iterations to narrow down the options of where your object resides is more than one step too many and that's what makes you creepy.

To quote an oft-mentioned saying: You can't fix stupid.
Unfortunately, you seem to have been born with it and learned nothing about social interactions in your lifetime.

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RE: What do senders do that they can so quickly POUNCE ... - 11/6/2015 1:35:04 PM

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Altho...the fact that people are saying he is creepy, unethical etc etc, he aint listening. Just more self justification, not arguments. Hes loving the attention.

He believes he lives in a world where social interaction proceeds on a logical basis.

The fact that the behaviour of human beings doesn't follow the dictates of reason is not something he's equipped to cope with. I doubt he's genuinely creepy, but his ineptitude is such that he's inevitably going to portray himself that way.

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RE: What do senders do that they can so quickly POUNCE ... - 11/6/2015 2:13:29 PM

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Nobody in my entire life, who has met me, has even intimated in the least that I'm a creepy stalker.
Somehow you missed the entire point of the discussion.

Not knowing if you're male or female, I'll ask you just one question (to test your reading comprehension).

Q: Do you understand the statement that some women (the same ones who decry creepy stalkers, by the way) consistently "accidentally" flash their underwear in public as a common occurrence?

I'll take this one.

I've gotten a lot of sh^t over the years because I am one of the females who, if you see me at a kink event, I'm probably wearing leather. (Unfortunately, some folks don't listen when you try to tell them it's not your everyday attire at home.) Even a leather skirt that is the length of right above the knee, if you're wearing high heeled boots, can make it difficult to make sure you are covered getting in and out of a vehicle. I'm 5'2" and the vehicle is an F-150 truck. I'm sure it's happened and that's even with my level of modesty.

I'm also going to tell you that, even if somebody hasn't told you directly in person that they were getting a creepy vibe from you, that doesn't mean that it doesn't exist. As a matter of fact, let's take the 'you' part out of it. There are a lot of events in your town. Try privately writing some of the organizers, producers, and people who have been on DM staff at clubs in your area and ask just how often they have to deal with "creepy". If you find even three who tell you they have *never* had one attendee complain that another attendee was giving them a creepy vibe, I think I'd probably faint right out of this chair.

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RE: What do senders do that they can so quickly POUNCE ... - 11/6/2015 2:18:22 PM

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Remember the cartoon with the mouse?
The mouse is that "creepy stalker" to you.

Dude... the mouse is harmless. It cannot actual hurt the woman on the chair. It has no power in the situation. Even if it WANTED to stalk, batter, rape and kill the woman on the chair, it couldn't.

You yourself have recently argued that women should fear men, because men have such overwhelming physical strength that they could kill a woman with one blow.

Not only that, but women know that men can rape, hurt, and kill them at their whim should they choose to do so. Women as a group get physically abused for turning down unwanted sexual advances from men every day.
If that guys who's been leering at your tits and undies asks for your number and you politely say no, he might beat you up, or throw acid in your face, or rape you, or kill you.
When is the last time you have felt justifiably physically threatened because a woman cornered you on the street and wouldn't refuse to let you leave until you had given her your number?

Most men won't hurt random women, and I don't for a second believe the overblown statistics on the frequency of rape, or that 1 in 5 men are a rapist, but that doesn't negate the fact that men CAN. And that it does happen. With enough frequency that I've personally been physically harassed, grabbed and touched by strange men on the street several times in my lifetime. (Never raped or beaten or something terrible like that luckily).
When is the last time a strange woman on the street decided that she was entitled to physically grab you in an unwanted way because she deemed you attractive?

You are NOT a mouse.
Women's fear of you is not irrational or unfounded.

Besides that, your whole argument about men keeping their underwear in check is bullshit. I see young, virile, handsome men with their underwear sticking out of their pants all the time. In fact, they seem to make a sport of seeing who can show off the most, and hang their pants the lowest, so that you can not only see their underwear, but also the outline of their cock against their underwear.
That is entirely different from a woman wearing a skirt, and sitting down, or getting out of a car, or falling down, and TRYING to prevent you from being able to see her underwear by keeping her legs closed tight. Or a woman wearing a shirt to the grocery store that isn't going to have her verbally harassed and called 'ugly' or 'slouchy' needing to bend over to unload groceries and inadvertently giving you a bigger peek of cleavage.

Last week I had a plumber over, and just like the girl sitting down in the stadium with her pants lowering on her buttocks so that her underwear was showing, so also did his underwear show when he knelt down to do his work... inclusive his ass crack (it's called a 'plumbers crack' for a reason you know).

Your argument that men keep their underwear in check is delusional. Whether or not people -of either gender- keep their underwear in check depends on social class.

And even though I am not actual a physical treat to men -unlike you, who IS a posing a potential physical treat to women every time you leer at their tits or undies- I manage just fine going through life being "assaulted" by men's underwear.

Never mind... not worth it...

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RE: What do senders do that they can so quickly POUNCE ... - 11/6/2015 2:27:56 PM

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ORIGINAL: UllrsIshtar

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Remember the cartoon with the mouse?
The mouse is that "creepy stalker" to you.

Dude... the mouse is harmless. It cannot actual hurt the woman on the chair. It has no power in the situation. Even if it WANTED to stalk, batter, rape and kill the woman on the chair, it couldn't.

You yourself have recently argued that women should fear men, because men have such overwhelming physical strength that they could kill a woman with one blow.

Not only that, but women know that men can rape, hurt, and kill them at their whim should they choose to do so. Women as a group get physically abused for turning down unwanted sexual advances from men every day.
If that guys who's been leering at your tits and undies asks for your number and you politely say no, he might beat you up, or throw acid in your face, or rape you, or kill you.
When is the last time you have felt justifiably physically threatened because a woman cornered you on the street and wouldn't refuse to let you leave until you had given her your number?

Most men won't hurt random women, and I don't for a second believe the overblown statistics on the frequency of rape, or that 1 in 5 men are a rapist, but that doesn't negate the fact that men CAN. And that it does happen. With enough frequency that I've personally been physically harassed, grabbed and touched by strange men on the street several times in my lifetime. (Never raped or beaten or something terrible like that luckily).
When is the last time a strange woman on the street decided that she was entitled to physically grab you in an unwanted way because she deemed you attractive?

You are NOT a mouse.
Women's fear of you is not irrational or unfounded.

Besides that, your whole argument about men keeping their underwear in check is bullshit. I see young, virile, handsome men with their underwear sticking out of their pants all the time. In fact, they seem to make a sport of seeing who can show off the most, and hang their pants the lowest, so that you can not only see their underwear, but also the outline of their cock against their underwear.
That is entirely different from a woman wearing a skirt, and sitting down, or getting out of a car, or falling down, and TRYING to prevent you from being able to see her underwear by keeping her legs closed tight. Or a woman wearing a shirt to the grocery store that isn't going to have her verbally harassed and called 'ugly' or 'slouchy' needing to bend over to unload groceries and inadvertently giving you a bigger peek of cleavage.

Last week I had a plumber over, and just like the girl sitting down in the stadium with her pants lowering on her buttocks so that her underwear was showing, so also did his underwear show when he knelt down to do his work... inclusive his ass crack (it's called a 'plumbers crack' for a reason you know).

Your argument that men keep their underwear in check is delusional. Whether or not people -of either gender- keep their underwear in check depends on social class.

And even though I am not actual a physical treat to men -unlike you, who IS a posing a potential physical treat to women every time you leer at their tits or undies- I manage just fine going through life being "assaulted" by men's underwear.

WE call it builder's bum and it's not something most of us care to see. He's cherry picking some women flashing undies and of course all of us do it and just want "his" attention, we can dress for comfort just as much as men can without it being an invitation to leer and try anything. Most of us didn't buy tits from a surgeon, they are just there, grew on us, so why should we go through freaking length to disguise them just because some creep hasn't been socialized enough to accept it's NOT OK to stare?

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RE: What do senders do that they can so quickly POUNCE ... - 11/6/2015 3:03:11 PM

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Honestly, I never realized there was so much underwear flashing going on, on the part of either gender. I must hang out with the wrong crowd.

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RE: What do senders do that they can so quickly POUNCE ... - 11/6/2015 3:11:19 PM

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Honestly, I never realized there was so much underwear flashing going on, on the part of either gender. I must hang out with the wrong crowd.

Doesn't seem to happen a lot in my group, since we are upgrading both houses with a view to sell, we tend to have a lot of builders around, I tend to discretely look away when they show me the builder's bum or crack, it's not all that enticing (I wonder how they'd react to me offering them a waxing) but low slung trousers and guys bending over, I exercise my right to look the other way

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RE: What do senders do that they can so quickly POUNCE ... - 11/6/2015 3:22:53 PM

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Honestly, I never realized there was so much underwear flashing going on, on the part of either gender. I must hang out with the wrong crowd.

Which is my entire point about it depending on social class, not gender.

If you aren't in a social class, or live in an are of such a social class, where flashing undies is normal, you won't be confronted with it all that often... from either gender.

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RE: What do senders do that they can so quickly POUNCE ... - 11/6/2015 3:58:30 PM

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Honestly, I never realized there was so much underwear flashing going on, on the part of either gender. I must hang out with the wrong crowd.

The pictures he's pulling are by just doing a google image search, so of course you are going to come up with a bunch of pictures that fit the description.

Now that I have realized that the OP has aspergers, I realize this is a medical issue and not worth even debating any further. I wish I had known that earlier.

But I have to point out a few things:

* In most of the picture of women flashing panties or dressing extremely provocatively are college aged girls or slightly older; this is the age where girl compete intensely with other girls, are subject to peer pressure, and also experiencing alcohol inappropriately.

* All women do not dress to get the attention of men. Very few do. In fact, many women tend to dress up to feel a certain way, or to match the dress style of their peers. Little or no thought goes into if a man will be giving them attention.

* If it were not illegal, men would be showing their genitals EVERY CHANCE THEY GET. Men get arrested for flashing. Men send dick pics online, because they can do it without repercussion, even though most know that women find it a turn off.

* Most men who are creepy of course don't think they are. That's what is so insidious about it; they believe their behavior is normal or justifyable.

* No matter how many ways you spin it, the "culture of fear" or whatever, it is NOT appropriate to track your girlfriend's phone location. Since OP is diagnosed, I would think he has access to a mental health professional, and he can talk to them about this. I hope she is a woman.

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RE: What do senders do that they can so quickly POUNCE ... - 11/6/2015 4:20:21 PM

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First, I want to thank Ishtar for posting the link. (Please tell Ullr that I'm sorry I missed his post and say hello.)

OP, I was the one who posted some legal stuff on this thread. I even did it with the disclaimer that it's *not* legal advice because anybody who has the problem when it's gotten to the go to the cops kind of level is going to have to work with what's outlined in their state. That's not even getting into the fact with have folks from outside the US on the thread as well.

I skimmed the link that Ishtar provided. Well enough that I think it correlates something else from the same brochure I partially posted earlier. (By the way, if you want the link to the entire pamphlet, I'll be more than happy to send it to you via email.) The stat I have is 59% of female victims and 30% of male victims are stalked by an intimate partner. From what I've seen and what I know, I think it's fairly accurate.

I do have a problem with stats in these types of areas is that I know they don't account for those who don't report. For quite a while (eighteen months) I was one of them. I happen to think men are less likely to report for the very same reasons I was talking to Awareness with on the other thread. I can't tell you how many people tried to get me to report (some of them are on this thread) and I publicly want to say that I wish I'd have listened to every last one of them.

Basically, how I'm observing this thread now is you've got dozens of people all telling you the same thing. No different than if a group of people were all telling you that the car in front of you is a red car. You don't want it to be a red car, so you keep saying it's blue. The reason you don't want it to be a red car, in my opinion, is very much the same as you just don't want to see that the stuff you do are some of the very same tactics that stalkers do.

You've also done a lot of diminishing of folks who have been on the receiving end of stalking with such things as trying to tell us it's the equivalent of being afraid of a mouse. I'm calling bullshit. I have never had to call the authorities over a mouse, collect documentation, go to court, work with administrators, have hundreds of people send me email because they were also afraid the mouse was going to harm me, or the mountains of stuff I've had to do over this stuff. The gaslighting that you're trying to pull is deplorable.

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RE: What do senders do that they can so quickly POUNCE ... - 11/6/2015 4:23:13 PM

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* In most of the picture of women flashing panties or dressing extremely provocatively are college aged girls or slightly older; this is the age where girl compete intensely with other girls, are subject to peer pressure, and also experiencing alcohol inappropriately.

Or shot as part of a porn shoot, considering that they're off google with a specific keyword search.

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RE: What do senders do that they can so quickly POUNCE ... - 11/6/2015 5:10:21 PM

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I have more than enough for an encore.

Heh heh ... and that was it?

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RE: What do senders do that they can so quickly POUNCE ... - 11/6/2015 5:16:45 PM

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I think someone should introduce crumpets to JOKE3R/alpha49999/HAK1M/LoonyFuckFace, just to see what happens.

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RE: What do senders do that they can so quickly POUNCE ... - 11/6/2015 5:32:52 PM

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Or shot as part of a porn shoot, considering that they're off google with a specific keyword search.

Actually, I'm usually using "disconnect.me" as my search engine, but your point is perfectly valid that the shots are found in a few seconds off of results from a quick run of a search engine in order to illustrate the point.

It's actually harder than you think to find representative pictures, because my strategy was to show visually, what is shoved in our faces, every single day. Therefore, I had to bombard you with the same stuff you shove in our faces every day (the "you" here is plural and not directed at anyone in particular).

It's not porn. It's real.

For the most part, porn wouldn't work anyway because porn is generally too graphic for this forum.

Also a lot of shots found in each quick search were inappropriate, e.g., girls too young, or the picture was too sleazy, or there were kids or car license plates in the photo, etc.

And, the biggest hurdle, believe it or not, was finding SMALL enough pictures (I aim for 640 pixels or less) since I'm actually posting them with the original reference - so I have no control over the photos (they're hotlinked from the web site on which they were found).

In addition, some sites didn't allow hotlinking - so I had to go back and find another picture (you'll notice that's the reason for most of the edits.)

Furthermore, I did try to inject humor into the shots, when I could.
(I hope the effort is appreciated)

I find the whole topic intriguing, and I've learned a lot from the women here.
In fact, I can actually put myself in their shoes, and when I do, I can understand why they feel the way they do.

It's actually extremely interesting, because I can see both sides of their contradiction, whereas most of the women here can't see the other side of their own feelings and actions.

I'm beginning to realize it's not purposefully duplicitous the incongruous statements by the women here. I actually think they don't even realize the humor inherent of what they say contrasted by what they actually do.

The worst problem is that the women here feel perfectly at ease threatening a guy with legal ramifications for merely reading their email headers, while they themselves, shove their panties in the guys' faces day in and day out and think nothing of the inherent contradictions.

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RE: What do senders do that they can so quickly POUNCE ... - 11/6/2015 5:34:12 PM

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I think someone should introduce crumpets to JOKE3R/alpha49999/HAK1M/LoonyFuckFace, just to see what happens.

If you could possibly comprehend the lack of value in your own posts, you'd realize instantly that you belong with them, and, perchance, you are they.

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RE: What do senders do that they can so quickly POUNCE ... - 11/6/2015 5:52:42 PM

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I'm beginning to realize it's not purposefully duplicitous the incongruous statements by the women here. I actually think they don't even realize the humor inherent of what they say contrasted by what they actually do.

The contradiction in what one does and what one says?

Crumpets, you acknowledge that you are trained in various aggressive sports and can kill a woman with a single blow, and then liken yourself to a MOUSE when women here say that they're scared when a guy like you ogles them for the way they dress.

Find a picture of a woman standing on a chair scared of a BEAR and you'll be a little closer to an actual comparison.

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RE: What do senders do that they can so quickly POUNCE ... - 11/6/2015 6:22:11 PM

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Dude. Life. Get one.

Wow, that's a lot of value you just imparted to the discussion.
Have you thought about what you're gonna do for an encore?

Post something worth more of a response and you might get more. Until then, all of your vocabuvomit is getting exactly what it deserves.

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RE: What do senders do that they can so quickly POUNCE ... - 11/6/2015 6:23:21 PM

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I think someone should introduce crumpets to JOKE3R/alpha49999/HAK1M/LoonyFuckFace, just to see what happens.

If you could possibly comprehend the lack of value in your own posts, you'd realize instantly that you belong with them, and, perchance, you are they.

You know, I'd laugh at either one of you if you inflicted your own self torture that way. The dumbing down of the writing style alone has a good chance of driving either of you nuts. That's not mentioning insulting your own intelligence. If I did it, I'd get a headache.

On the underwear thing, I have to go against the grain of some posters. I actually live in a very nice area and I see it in my neighborhood fairly frequently. However, I do see it with males more than females.

Just like the boxers and the pants, I thought the thong straps showing with the low hip pants looked awful. Disliked the style with the bra straps/style that wasn't exactly the bra to be wearing with the shirt. (I thought it looked trashy.) Just observation but those female fads seem to have died down a bit. (Thank goodness.)

I'll give a little on this one. Being straight, I'm not exactly looking at those areas of a woman's figure. I'm not trying to catch the crotch shot, so I probably don't see it if/when it happens. Something that's sticking out from the top of the pants is something I'm more likely to notice because I just don't like the look. (Yes, all of the younger posters can call me a fuddy duddy at this point.)

I do agree with the age bracket that someone mentioned. I'd definitely pinpoint all of the examples I see here as being under twenty-five.

Edited - The word is boxers.

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RE: What do senders do that they can so quickly POUNCE ... - 11/6/2015 6:29:21 PM

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...the fact that people are saying he is creepy, unethical etc etc, he aint listening. Just more self justification, not arguments.

I'll use small words ... as apparently I need to repeat, just for your reading comprehension skills to catch up with the thread, the fact that I explained how, when I think the way you do, I understand both sides of why you do and say what it is that you do and say (you being plural and general).

thanks to you, I understand why, almost certainly, better than you do yourself.

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