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RE: Second hand smoke - 7/20/2006 12:35:06 PM

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One thing I've never seen in the obituaries; "He died of second-hand smoke."

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RE: Second hand smoke - 7/20/2006 12:41:06 PM

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You never see it say that someone died of stupidity either. That hardly means it wasn't a contributing factor.

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RE: Second hand smoke - 7/20/2006 12:43:02 PM

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Nice bob & weave Stef.

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RE: Second hand smoke - 7/20/2006 1:11:50 PM

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So if someone dies of lung cancer etc., no worries, as long as the cause of death doesn't say how they got that condition?

You rarely see 'He died of someone else's stupidity' in the obits either, but it happens with great regularity.

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RE: Second hand smoke - 7/20/2006 1:43:06 PM

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You rarely see 'He died of someone else's stupidity' in the obits either, but it happens with great regularity.

You do so too. It's refered to being killed by a drunk driver.

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RE: Second hand smoke - 7/20/2006 1:47:24 PM

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You're more likely to find that in the headlines, than seriously listed as 'cause of death'.

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RE: Second hand smoke - 7/20/2006 1:55:09 PM

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Perhaps in the USA but not here in Australia and there have been cases cited where the deceased died from inhaling tobacco smoke in a work place causing lung cancer and in each case there has been serious litigation.. These things do not happen often but they do happen..

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RE: Second hand smoke - 7/20/2006 2:03:38 PM

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All the science aside; no one has the right to impinge on how I enjoy a night out in public. This most certainly includes smokers. The whiny brats, obnoxious slaves to their cell phones, drunks, twittering ninnies that think their conversation is so fascinating that they have to share it with the entire store/restaurant/theater, etc. I pay good money, just like every/anyone else. I'm entitled to some peace and relaxation. So if that means a smoker has to get his jones on outside the establishment? Tough.

As to taxes? If you're going to have a habit? Own up to all it entails. I don't enjoy paying $40/pound for Godiva when I want a treat, but I don't whine about it.

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RE: Second hand smoke - 7/20/2006 4:30:24 PM

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One thing I've never seen in the obituaries; "He died of second-hand smoke."

You don't see obituaries state that people die of AIDS. There is a difference between what is counted by the coroners office and then tracked by the CDC and government as a cause of death and what is reported in a newspaper.

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RE: Second hand smoke - 7/20/2006 10:29:36 PM

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But don't cop out by saying that smoking doesnt harm life... or that cars are worse. Doesn't really matter how little effect its having, it is still having an effect.

Everything has an effect. Drinking alcohol rots your liver, eating chocolate rots your teeth and affects your heart. The Sun can give you cancer. Almost everything you eat has a negative effect somewhere along the line. Stay indoors, in a smoke free environment if you want to but even that won't work since you'll probably need to walk past smokers, cars and sunlight to buy some food.

You can't live a life avoiding things that affect you one way or another. Second hand smoking is such a small risk in the grand scheme of things that smokers can be forgiven for thinking "This is just an over-dramatised witch hunt because you don't smoke"

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RE: Second hand smoke - 7/20/2006 10:49:12 PM

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All the science aside; no one has the right to impinge on how I enjoy a night out in public. This most certainly includes smokers. The whiny brats, obnoxious slaves to their cell phones, drunks, twittering ninnies that think their conversation is so fascinating that they have to share it with the entire store/restaurant/theater, etc. I pay good money, just like every/anyone else. I'm entitled to some peace and relaxation. So if that means a smoker has to get his jones on outside the establishment? Tough.

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RE: Second hand smoke - 7/20/2006 11:57:18 PM

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The CDC also counts smoking as the cause of death for smokers regardless of what they die from. Just another way to pad the statistics to advance their agenda. The truth is, smokers have a 1 in 3 chance of dying of smoking. But if you are a smoker, and die of a heart attack, then smoking killed you as far as the CDC is concerned.
And it is amazing to me how many people feel that it is okay to outlaw something because they don't like it.

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RE: Second hand smoke - 7/21/2006 3:09:26 AM

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But don't cop out by saying that smoking doesnt harm life... or that cars are worse. Doesn't really matter how little effect its having, it is still having an effect.

Everything has an effect. Drinking alcohol rots your liver, eating chocolate rots your teeth and affects your heart. The Sun can give you cancer. Almost everything you eat has a negative effect somewhere along the line. Stay indoors, in a smoke free environment if you want to but even that won't work since you'll probably need to walk past smokers, cars and sunlight to buy some food.

You can't live a life avoiding things that affect you one way or another. Second hand smoking is such a small risk in the grand scheme of things that smokers can be forgiven for thinking "This is just an over-dramatised witch hunt because you don't smoke"

Never said you shouldn't. But at least take responsibility for your own action, don't try and fob it off like some lesser evil. But then, chocolate is rotting your own teeth, not someone elses. Drinking only rots YOUR liver.

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RE: Second hand smoke - 7/21/2006 3:10:53 AM

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One thing I've never seen in the obituaries; "He died of second-hand smoke."

Well, in the UK - there are reports in obituaries of people dying of second hand smoke.

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RE: Second hand smoke - 7/21/2006 5:41:41 AM

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Drinking only rots YOUR liver.

Yes but bouncing off the bumper of a drunk driver probably hurts your liver too.

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RE: Second hand smoke - 7/21/2006 5:58:36 AM

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There wasn't mention of drink driving - thats another topic altogether.

But your right, so dont drink and drive. I won't - do you?

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RE: Second hand smoke - 7/21/2006 6:01:34 AM

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I can honestly say i've never heard of someone smashing a glass in another person's face because they'd smoked too many cigarettes. It happens somewhere every day through alcohol.

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RE: Second hand smoke - 7/21/2006 6:07:58 AM

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Depends whats in the cigarette...

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RE: Second hand smoke - 7/21/2006 6:11:38 AM

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no but they are honored on this website:

Darwin AwardsThe Darwin Awards salute the improvement of the human genome by honoring those who remove themselves from it in really stupid ways.
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RE: Second hand smoke - 7/21/2006 6:15:27 AM

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There wasn't mention of drink driving - thats another topic altogether.
But your right, so dont drink and drive. I won't - do you?

I drink and drive a lot but I haven't had a drink in 23 year