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RE: Please get the shingles vaccine - 1/29/2016 10:38:43 AM

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Maybe I shouldn't say this but what the hay.
It's extremely doubtful that anyone is going to read a post on a message board site and do exactly what the OP says to do without first investigating it for themselves.

Maybe I shouldn't say this but what the hay.

I just recently posted a helpful thread suggestion others use encryption before ever logging into a non-encrypted (non https) web site.
- How to protect yourself from an eavesdropper

Do I expect others to do exactly what the OP says to do without first investigating it for themselves?
Yes.

Of course, they're welcome to investigate, but I expect a healthy percentage of them to trust that I know what I'm saying, hence they'd assume that "I" did that investigation already for them.

Likewise with my thread on how to protect yourself with a good HOSTS file and DNS server:
- Suggestion to protect yourself with a good HOSTS file & DNS server

I don't expect everyone to become an expert in computer networking, which is why I give them the baby steps to follow.
If my advice is bad, I would expect and welcome someone telling the world NOT to believe me, and that I'm full of sh*t.

Has that happened yet?
Only when I discuss women and how they think and how I try to figure them out.

But, on technical or medical stuff, nobody has said I'm full of sh*t yet that is reliable.
So, people can trust that what "I" suggest, technically, is something they can follow.

I do the same when I follow other people's advice.
I asked on the net for a good cable modem and I bought the one they suggested.
Do I research everything there is to know about cable modems first?
Nope.

I trust people who seem trustworthy.
You do too.

You're just not admitting that you do, but you follow your doctor's advice, don't you?
That's all we're suggesting here.

Follow the (real) medical advice.

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RE: Please get the shingles vaccine - 1/29/2016 11:08:53 AM

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Maybe I shouldn't say this but what the hay.
And all of this pontification does little more than illustrate arrogance on the part of the poster. If you were really posting to help, your stance would not be the critical and judgmental ones they are.

What you're missing DD is that crumpets always believes he knows more than women do. He believes men are entitled to sexually assault stranger women in a play space, because otherwise why are the women there? He believes all women get dressed hoping to sexually excite strange men twice their age as otherwise they'd wear a burka.

He automatically discounts anything a woman does or says.

We've tried to educate him but it seems to be a hopeless task. He'll admit eventually he was wrong in one particular case upon occasion, but always comes back the next time holding the same bigoted beliefs.

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RE: Please get the shingles vaccine - 1/29/2016 1:55:28 PM

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And the author for this thread is essentially saying "this is what happened in my life...it was horrible...if I can help anyone else avoid this happening, I will tell my story and offer my suggestion."

That's exactly how I took it too.

It reminds me of how my colorectal cancer diagnosis spurred me to discuss the importance of colonoscopies with friends and family.

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RE: Please get the shingles vaccine - 1/29/2016 2:02:37 PM

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ORIGINAL: crumpets
But, on technical or medical stuff, nobody has said I'm full of sh*t yet that is reliable.
So, people can trust that what "I" suggest, technically, is something they can follow.

I don't trust what *YOU* suggest because I've called you out on it.
But, of course, you seem to know better than all the experts out there.

Good luck with that.
May your technical troubles get worse every day until you learn that sometimes there are others that know better than you - and told you so.

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RE: Please get the shingles vaccine - 1/29/2016 3:21:53 PM

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He automatically discounts anything a woman does or says.

You realize that, um, DocStrange appears to be a man, but he's dead wrong.
You might also realize that, um, angelikaJ, from the name, appears to be a woman, and she was one of the most correct here.
Likewise, I have no idea the sex of Staleek, but he/she/it seems to be the most knowledgeable of all.

You do realize I don't even know if YOU are male or female, as I don't bother remembering profiles that are of no interest to me.

So, while you're on to something useful by way of characterization, the fact I don't even know if the profile is male or female belies your argument.

If you're using this to say that everyone should get the Shingles vaccine simply because the OP (whomever he she or it is), then you're just as much an idiot as they are.

Idiots don't just come in one gender.
On this thread, all but one or two others were idiots.

Those one or two others are what makes staying on this forum worthwhile; the rest are just dumber than rocks, OP and DocStrange included. You tell me if they're male or female, 'cuz I only know them as idiots (likewise with the plethora on hide).

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RE: Please get the shingles vaccine - 1/29/2016 3:25:23 PM

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And the author for this thread is essentially saying "this is what happened in my life...it was horrible...if I can help anyone else avoid this happening, I will tell my story and offer my suggestion."

That's exactly how I took it too.

It reminds me of how my colorectal cancer diagnosis spurred me to discuss the importance of colonoscopies with friends and family.

And your contribution to this thread was, um, what?

Here is a quick algorithm for you ...

If idiot then contribution = zero.

And I don't even know if you're a male or female idiot.,

Fancy that.

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RE: Please get the shingles vaccine - 1/29/2016 3:48:25 PM

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Clearly you are needing to be barked at .

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RE: Please get the shingles vaccine - 1/29/2016 4:31:01 PM

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ORIGINAL: crumpets

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ORIGINAL: dcnovice

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And the author for this thread is essentially saying "this is what happened in my life...it was horrible...if I can help anyone else avoid this happening, I will tell my story and offer my suggestion."

That's exactly how I took it too.

It reminds me of how my colorectal cancer diagnosis spurred me to discuss the importance of colonoscopies with friends and family.

And your contribution to this thread was, um, what?

Here is a quick algorithm for you ...

If idiot then contribution = zero.

And I don't even know if you're a male or female idiot.,

Fancy that.

His contribution to the thread was humanitarian. He said a million times more, Ina single paragraph,than you did in the entire thread. He said, I get it. You (Peppermint) are going through something awful with someone you love and I understand. When people share their experiences here, and offer advice off that experience they are saying: I'm hurting, I'm scared and I need support, but I also care about others enough to share my experience in the hope that none of you (those on this board) have to go through what we are going through.

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RE: Please get the shingles vaccine - 1/29/2016 5:01:49 PM

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Hi P, I hope things are getting better. K has been asking me to go see the doctor because of a recurring wrap-around pain I've been having. She said it sounds like the same pain she had when she had a shingles flair up.

Your post is another nudge to the doctors. Thank you for sharing. I'm so sorry to hear what a terrible time the two of you are having. My thoughts and well wishes go out to with the hope of a speedy recovery.

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RE: Please get the shingles vaccine - 1/29/2016 9:58:31 PM

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We are hanging on here. He got tested today for meningitis. Nothing helps the pain but morphine now. He has had active shingles for over four weeks now. I am hoping to get home tomorrow to get the mail and tend the animals.

I don't think many doctors think shingles when you go in with the pains. Ours did not last fall, nor the ear/nose/throat doc nor the one at accute care. Of course as soon as the rash appears they all know.

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RE: Please get the shingles vaccine - 1/29/2016 10:09:41 PM

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Clearly you are needing to be barked at .

You'll notice please, that I respond in kind to the messages as they are meant.

That is....

If someone tells me that I'm not listening to the ladies, I tell them that can't be true because I don't even know what they are for the most part. Unless someone tells me, I have no idea (nor do I care) if they're male, female, or both at the same time. Certainly I have plenty of female profiles (used for experimental purposes), so, it wouldn't matter what sex they said they are anyway, because it could easily not be true.

If someone tells me that everyone should get the shingles vaccine, I tell them they're wrong. They whine, but they're still wrong. They complain, but they're still wrong. They make excuses, and I leave them alone at that point. But you must notice that I addressed each one of their scientific issues, one by one (as I did with DocStrange). If that bothers them, then they should learn to take correction better.

If someone asks for my credentials, oddly enough, as someone else did, I give 'em my credentials, and even answer their questions. One by one. Even the ones I really don't want to answer (if they're persistent, as that one poster was).

If someone posts humanitarian comments, as some did, I leave them be, as that wasn't going to be my contribution to this thread. My contribution was going to be scientific. Pure science.

If someone adds further scientific value, I commend them and let them know they know more than I do, and we may discuss the details, as we did with one poster. Not many here can add more scientific value than I, but I'm perfectly willing to learn from the rare few who can, as I naturally bow to superior authority.

But if someone never ever adds value, I plonk 'em, as a half dozen here have been forever plonked (the rule on plonking is never to remove them from your killfile once plonked).

Please do notice I responded in kind to what the people themselves wrote.
And I expect the same from what I write.

You'll notice that if you only cared to look.

Perhaps all you see, based on the barking comment, are the responses to the fools; but you may have glossed over the responses to those who were worthy where you will note that they were all very respectful and informative responses, and that I left the humanitarian issues for others to respond to (and I didn't negate anything they said).

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RE: Please get the shingles vaccine - 1/29/2016 10:23:47 PM

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ORIGINAL: WinsomeDefiance
His contribution to the thread was humanitarian.

This is a useful distinction as that is a different approach, which I agree, I didn't take because, mainly, I keyed off the title:
PLEASE GET THE SHINGLES VACCINE

My contribution was scientific.
His contribution was humanitarian.

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ORIGINAL: WinsomeDefiance
He said a million times more, Ina single paragraph,than you did in the entire thread.

Actually he didn't.
He (if it is a he) said something DIFFERENT.

a) I said something scientific (which was never intended to have humanitarian value)
b) He said something humanitarian (which was never intended to have scientific value)

They're different.

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ORIGINAL: WinsomeDefiance
He said, I get it. You (Peppermint) are going through something awful with someone you love and I understand. When people share their experiences here, and offer advice off that experience they are saying: I'm hurting, I'm scared and I need support, but I also care about others enough to share my experience in the hope that none of you (those on this board) have to go through what we are going through.

What he did, which I didn't do, is that he did NOT key off the tile of the discussion.
He didn't key off of what the OP said, which was "GET THE SHINGLES VACCINE".
Nor of what some others said, which was "GET THE SHINGLES VACCINE".

What he focused on, and that which I didn't focus on, was the emotional trauma that was inherent in the plea for everyone to get the shingles vaccine.

I agree with you.
I didn't focus on that in the least.

But I disagree with you that he contributed more.
He only contributed MUCH MORE of what the OP WANTED TO HEAR.

He didn't contribute anything of scientific value related to the title of this thread, which is, as you may recall, PLEASE GET THE SHINGLES VACCINE.

However, he DID contribute a million times more humanitarian hugging than I did.

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RE: Please get the shingles vaccine - 1/29/2016 11:37:43 PM

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You commented on a thread you authored where you provide certain Internet security approaches. And then you stated that you would expect anyone reading it to follow it without follow-up investigation of their own. Either you are yanking my chain or you are very much mistaken. Anyone taking any advice offered by an unknown individual online is pretty much the definition of unsafe Internet behaviour. Why would anyone trust you, a virtual (in more ways than one) stranger? I cannot understand why you would have this unrealistic expectation, unless you are being facetious or very naive. Whether what you've posted is good information or not is irrelevant. It is the fact that no one on this site knows you and knows you as a trustworthy person. Just because you say you are doesn't make it so.

You made assumptions about me stating that I trust people who seem trustworthy. I trust people I know are trustworthy. And sometimes I take a calculated risk. But those who seem trustworthy? That isn't enough.

Another assumption you made about me is that I follow my doctor's advice. I do not always do so. Physicians are human and it isn't outside the realm of possibility for them to make mistakes.

Follow the "real" medical advice? First off, dispensing medical advice could be considered practicing medicine, which is illegal in the USA.

In that statement you are making another assumption in that I or anyone else should follow your advice because you have described yourself as having an educated background and that you are possibly the only one on this board who does. You aren't. The books you photographed? They are outdated. My books on microbiology, genetics, immunology and biochemistry are much more recent, but there is probably outdated material in them too.

Your contribution isn't scientific, it is arrogant.

I would suggest you not make so many assumptions. However, whether you do or not is up to you, of course. I will be following my own personal advice of not trusting much provided on an Internet message board site by individuals who claim to know more than they actually do.

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RE: Please get the shingles vaccine - 1/30/2016 4:28:35 AM

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ORIGINAL: DeviantlyD
Your contribution isn't scientific, it is arrogant.

I would suggest you not make so many assumptions. However, whether you do or not is up to you, of course. I will be following my own personal advice of not trusting much provided on an Internet message board site by individuals who claim to know more than they actually do.

Classic!!!

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RE: Please get the shingles vaccine - 1/30/2016 6:05:45 AM

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ORIGINAL: DeviantlyD
You commented on a thread you authored where you provide certain Internet security approaches. And then you stated that you would expect anyone reading it to follow it without follow-up investigation of their own. Either you are yanking my chain or you are very much mistaken. Anyone taking any advice offered by an unknown individual online is pretty much the definition of unsafe Internet behaviour.

Most people here (save for a handful) only know me from my thousand-plus posts.
Have I *ever* been wrong, on a technical or scientific issue yet, in those thousand posts?

The answer is no.
That's your research.

Sure, you can research the topic more (and I won't stop you), but I have shown that I don't talk about technical things unless I know what I'm saying.

Besides, I wouldn't have authored a howto thread if I didn't know what I was talking about.

People know that.
I do the same as I'm on the Internet in other highly technical forums day in and day out (yes, I have a lot of time on my hands).
I listen to and respect those who have shown the same technical acumen that I have shown.

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ORIGINAL: DeviantlyD
Why would anyone trust you, a virtual (in more ways than one) stranger? I cannot understand why you would have this unrealistic expectation, unless you are being facetious or very naive.

I teach night school.
People listen to what I say.
They don't research everything I say.
They take it for granted that I know what I'm talking about.

But, as you may know, it only takes one wrong technical answer to throw the whole bunch into worry.
Luckily, I haven't had that one wrong technical answer yet.

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ORIGINAL: DeviantlyD
Whether what you've posted is good information or not is irrelevant. It is the fact that no one on this site knows you and knows you as a trustworthy person. Just because you say you are doesn't make it so.

I've posted a thousand posts. Granted not all are on technical issues, but some of the morons who posted to this thread who are now plonked tried to argue with a few of them and lost big time. I don't care that they lost, mind you. Just that they were spouting such total technical BS that it wasn't worth listening to them after a while.

If I were spouting technical errors, in this thread, or in those that I authored on the perv-to-perv section, you can rest assured someone will come in and prove me an idiot. If nobody can prove me an idiot, then, guess what ... I'm not an idiot. I may actually know something about what I'm talking about.

BTW, that's how science works.

And, trust me, I know something about microbiology and the immune system, which this thread is about.

But, as I said, I easily defer to superior people, so, if you, or anyone else knows more about this topic than I do, I will defer to your knowledge, but you'd have to prove it by what you posted (not the cut-and-paste shit that DocStrange posted, for example).

You'll notice my summaries (regarding the Japanese in the spinal caves for example), are extremely well thought out, and accurate (as far as analogies go). I understand Herpes is like a guerrilla. I understand the nervous system is like the ridge line of a steep mountain. I understand that the immune system can't get into the deep ravines.

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ORIGINAL: DeviantlyD
You made assumptions about me stating that I trust people who seem trustworthy. I trust people I know are trustworthy. And sometimes I take a calculated risk. But those who seem trustworthy? That isn't enough.

Listen.
I don't care what you do; I only care about people working off the right technical and scientific information here.

So, don't trust my technical knowledge.
Go get the vaccine.
It (probably) isn't gonna kill ya anyway.

But just don't go around recommending EVERYONE get the vaccine.
OK?
Because that's irresponsible.

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ORIGINAL: DeviantlyD
Another assumption you made about me is that I follow my doctor's advice. I do not always do so. Physicians are human and it isn't outside the realm of possibility for them to make mistakes.

Listen.
I really don't care if you follow your doctor's advice or not.
My point was simply that the advice here was dead wrong.

I'm not at all sure where you're going with this.
Is the advice dead wrong or not?

If the advice is dead wrong, then I'm right.
If the advice, after all, was right, then I'm wrong.

It's pretty simple stuff.

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ORIGINAL: DeviantlyD
Follow the "real" medical advice? First off, dispensing medical advice could be considered practicing medicine, which is illegal in the USA.

Jeeesus. Where are you going with this?
Is this discussion going to be the prelude to a lawsuit?

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ORIGINAL: DeviantlyD
In that statement you are making another assumption in that I or anyone else should follow your advice because you have described yourself as having an educated background and that you are possibly the only one on this board who does. You aren't. The books you photographed? They are outdated. My books on microbiology, genetics, immunology and biochemistry are much more recent, but there is probably outdated material in them too.

You must have failed reading comprehension tests at some point in your life.
I'm pretty sure, without even looking back, that I said my microbiology training was four decades old.
Did I or did I not say that very early on?

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Your contribution isn't scientific, it is arrogant.

I had to laugh.
I fully and completely understand what you're saying.

Look. There are a group of people here who have posted who, combined, would have an IQ that would struggle to break three digits.
I can't deal with them like I can deal with you, mano a mano.
For dealing with them, it's something akin to mano a la roca.

You understand (for the most part) what I'm saying.
They can't.

But I do take your constructive criticism in hand that I admit that I can't suffer fools like you (apparently) can suffer fools.

I got a handful of emails, by the way, all saying something to the effect of "fuck 'em if they can't understand".
You see? Most people would give up earlier than I did.
They'd give up after reading the very first post, knowing that the cause is lost.

What can I say. I'm an evangelist at heart.

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ORIGINAL: DeviantlyD
I would suggest you not make so many assumptions.

What assumptions?
About you?
I don't even know what your moniker is.
I cut and paste it, but I don't look at it.
You can be a guy, a gal, or an it for example.
You can be a dom, a sub, a switch.

I only respond, line by line, to what you write.
I make as few assumptions as I can.

If you write something technically astute, I take it in like a sponge takes in water.
If you write something idiotic, I disagree with you like someone squeezes water out of that sponge.

If you attack me, and you have no merit (as some have tried), for a while I will destroy you - but then I'll get tired of the silly game - and I'll just plonk you as I have plonked many.

In reality, I should plonk almost everyone here who spouted garbage.
That would save ALL of us the trouble of reading this rot.
(PS: Please plonk me. That's an open invitation. Anyone anywhere who doesn't want to listen to me, doesn't have to.)

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ORIGINAL: DeviantlyD
However, whether you do or not is up to you, of course. I will be following my own personal advice of not trusting much provided on an Internet message board site by individuals who claim to know more than they actually do.

You said you studied science, so, you clearly are well aware of the scientific method.
While none of us are doing original research here, we are quoting the results of research.
Let me know if there is a single scientific statement that I made that is wrong.

I would welcome that from you.
Otherwise, what are you arguing about?
NOTE: I didn't come here to offer humanitarian aid. My contribution is only scientific. That's what I excel at. If you find a single scientific statement by me that is incorrect, let me know. I welcome correction by people who are superior to me in their scientific knowledge.

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RE: Please get the shingles vaccine - 1/30/2016 9:22:17 AM

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Part of the problem is that you can deal with the technical stuff. but not anything else
to get a vaccine, you have to get it from your doctor./health clinic...if someone aged 30 went for it, its not a case of just handing it over or buying it from a vending machine, they(anyone blindly going for a vaccine , I hope, would not be jabbed simply because they asked for it.
The topic is NOT purely academic/scientific, its emotional, its physical AND mental.
THat is what you cant get.
And until someone spends time with you explaining why you are having a hard time again, you wont get it.
Calling people on here who are suffering from medical complaints idiots for not being YOU is the problem.

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RE: Please get the shingles vaccine - 1/30/2016 11:16:44 AM

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If you are interested in learning a little more depth about Shingles I highly recommend reading this article from Dr. Jeffrey Cohen. I will cut and past a few highlights from the article. Dr. Cohen is easy to understand for both the technical person and layman:

http://www.nytimes.com/ref/health/healthguide/esn-shingles-expert.html?pagewanted=all

Who Is Dr. Jeffrey Cohen:
“Dr. Jeffrey I. Cohen directs the medical virology section of the clinical infectious diseases laboratory at the National Institute of Allergy and Infectious Diseases, in Bethesda, Md. His research focuses on the molecular genetics of human herpes viruses, among them the varicella-zoster virus that causes chickenpox (varicella) in children and that later in life can reactivate to cause shingles (zoster). Scientists are studying this phenomenon of reactivation in hopes of developing methods to prevent it.”

Why does the Chickenpox virus reactivate in people?:
Older people, who are the most likely to get shingles, usually have adequate levels of antibody to the varicella-zoster virus but tend to have reduced levels of cellular immunity. But reactivation probably has additional triggers — differences in individuals’ genes or environmental factors, possibly — that cause the virus to reactivate, because only about 30 percent of people will get shingles in their lifetime. At the present time, we just don’t know what these triggers are.

Serious complications from Shingles are real and not just an annoyance. Take your pick of experts. All agree the complications from shingle can be devastating including the NIAID’s head of Virology. And is one of the reasons why people are working on a more effective vaccine . More information can be found at these well know agencies. All provide the same information, some a little more detail than others. But please read for yourself
http://www.niaid.nih.gov/topics/shingles/Pages/Default.aspx
http://www.cdc.gov/shingles/about/index.html
http://www.nvic.org/vaccines-and-diseases/Shingles.aspx
http://www.mayoclinic.org/diseases-conditions/shingles/basics/definition/con-20019574
http://www.webmd.com/skin-problems-and-treatments/shingles/shingles-topic-overview

The odds are 1 in 3 you will get Shingles in your lifetime. So on the next trip to the doctor talk to him/her about it.

Whether or not you believe me and what I say is not important. I do hope I have provided enough information to provide you with the facts or at least enough information for you to ask questions with your doctor.

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RE: Please get the shingles vaccine - 1/30/2016 1:23:12 PM

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I didn't take it as the OP meaning that literally everyone needs to get the shingles vaccine, but rather trying to raise public awareness about it. I'm too young still to be allowed to get the shingles vaccine. I am doing elder care for someone who is on chemo, and her husband wants to get the vaccine, and is old enough, but their doctors are concerned that the live virus vaccine could cause issues for her due to her white blood cell count being low, and otherwise being somewhat immuno-compromised from the chemo and general frailty.

I got the pneumonia vaccine last year, even though it's usually recommended for people over 65, because I have respiratory issues that make it important for me, and also I want to protect the health of the people I'm caring for. Obviously, anyone who decides to get a vaccine isn't going to just get it via mail-order and inject it themselves, they need to discuss their specific risks and needs with their doctor or other healthcare professional.

Crumpets, I'm surprised that you recommend against getting flu shots, since that *is* strongly recommended by the CDC even for healthy people. Even if you catch a strain that isn't one of the 3 or 4 that are covered, it tends to reduce the symptoms of other strains, and can help protect your coworkers, their relatives, etc. who may not be healthy. "Herd immunity" is a good thing! Currently in the US, the flu is usually more of a nuisance rather than lethal, but it can still cause serious problems.

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RE: Please get the shingles vaccine - 1/30/2016 8:37:34 PM

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ORIGINAL: Lucylastic
Part of the problem is that you can deal with the technical stuff. but not anything else

That's probably quite true.
I'm really good at technical things.
You may have noticed I'm not so good with people.
I tell it like I see it.
Most people are smarter than that.
They don't tell it like they see it.

They also see DIFFERENT things when the OP posted "get the shingles vaccine".
They see right past the recommendation to "get the shingles vaccine".
Me? I literally see the title "get the shingles vaccine", and then when I open the post, I don't see any argument that logically fits the title of "get the shingles vaccine".

I mean, if the OP said, if you're over 60 or immunocompromised or if you're in a high risk group dealing with unvacinated children, etc., then I recommend you get the shingles vaccine, then the OP would have made more sense to me.

I took it literally.
As I always do.

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ORIGINAL: Lucylastic
to get a vaccine, you have to get it from your doctor./health clinic...if someone aged 30 went for it, its not a case of just handing it over or buying it from a vending machine, they(anyone blindly going for a vaccine , I hope, would not be jabbed simply because they asked for it.

I live in California.
I have seen a bunch of people get medical marajuana.
They can pretty much just PAY for the prescription.
I've seen people faking disability.
Again, it's all just a matter of finding the right doctor (and paying him for the privilege).

I'm pretty sure you can find a doctor here who will give you ANYTHING you ask for.
(Ask Michael Jackson about that - his MD was getting something like tens of thousands a month just to give Michael his "milk").

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ORIGINAL: Lucylastic
The topic is NOT purely academic/scientific, its emotional, its physical AND mental.

You might have noticed that I let OTHERS handle that.
It's not my forte.

Actually, don't wholly blame me.
If the OP had posted the title as "I am going through pain because of shingles" or something like that, then it would have been a TOTALLY different story.

My real failing was that YOU noticed she MEANT that, and I didn't.
I took the title and the words literally.
I didn't see the hidden meaning that you saw.
Mea culpa.

ALTHOUGH ... on the other hand ... the actual "medical" advice in this thread was/is atrocious!
(So while we're speaking latin, caveat emptor comes immediately to mind!)

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ORIGINAL: Lucylastic
Calling people on here who are suffering from medical complaints idiots for not being YOU is the problem.

I only react to what they literally say.
You seem to react to what they meant.

The title is clear, isn't it?
Yet, you found the hidden meaning in the title that I didn't.

Basically, just as I was disappointed when I found out all politicians lie with every word they say, and all salesmen do the same, as do all advertisements, and even the words on the bottles of medicine at the store, I have to realize, that the title of this thread is a lie.

The thread has NOTHING to do with what the title says.
And it's my fault - but I didn't realize that until someone told me that.

The title, is a lie.

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RE: Please get the shingles vaccine - 1/30/2016 8:49:54 PM

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ORIGINAL: Andalusite
I didn't take it as the OP meaning that literally everyone needs to get the shingles vaccine, but rather trying to raise public awareness about it.

I think everyone but me just assumed the title was a lie, and they delved into the deeper meaning.
Me? I assumed the title was the point, and the original post was the rationale for the title.
It didn't make sense (logically), so that's how I responded.

It turns out that nothing in this thread was what it appears to be, at face value.
OK. So I was hoodwinked.
Nobody here is telling the truth except me. At least not directly.

At least you can SEE exactly where I was coming from, can't you?
I hope so.

I was coming from the standpoint that the OP was recommending everyone get the vaccine.
That's (really) bad advice (which we covered in gory detail).

If the OP was really not recommending the vaccine, but simply sending out an emotional plea for, I don't know, sympathy or support or empathy, or whatever, why did the OP have to start the thread with "get the vaccine dammit"?

Why doesn't anyone just tell the truth?

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ORIGINAL: Andalusite
I'm too young still to be allowed to get the shingles vaccine. I am doing elder care for someone who is on chemo, and her husband wants to get the vaccine, and is old enough, but their doctors are concerned that the live virus vaccine could cause issues for her due to her white blood cell count being low, and otherwise being somewhat immuno-compromised from the chemo and general frailty.

How do I know if you actually mean that, or, if there is hidden meaning?
How do I find the clue that tells me you're talking straight or if there is a hidden meaning that has absolutely nothing to do with what you actually said?

Help me here?
Where's the clue?

(NOTE: Lord knows, I missed that clue in the OP.)

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ORIGINAL: Andalusite
Crumpets, I'm surprised that you recommend against getting flu shots, since that *is* strongly recommended by the CDC even for healthy people.

How do I know whether this is truly a direct question, or, if this question is really disguised as a plea for emotional support?

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