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sub drop - 7/19/2006 9:55:35 AM

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how do you deal with the nasty feelings, the achiness and all the stuff that goes with sub drop?
i know it is partly due to an intense week and build up to my collaring ceremony and a wonderful play party/birthday party. i'vce dealt with it before, just never this bad. im ready to climb into bed and stay there for the next week. my poor master is so patient with me and understanding but i dont even want to see him right now.
jenny

RE: sub drop - 7/19/2006 10:09:15 AM

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I try to eat fruit because it raises the sugar level which contributes to the drop. I also have chocolate sometimes. I find that this helps. Drinking lots of fluids is necessary too. The most important thing is the quality of the aftercare I receive from my top. It is the crucial part in how I drop or whether I drop at all

Others may have better tips.. but these have worked for me.

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RE: sub drop - 7/19/2006 10:15:45 AM

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It's good to read about 'sub drop', I think. Many people are just NOT prepared for it...and it DOES happen.

Personally, I think it's a physical thing...that leads to an emotional thing. Like julia said, lots of water and probably fruit is a good thing after play. Sometimes the body can actually become a bit 'shocky'...this is why after-care is important.

The reason I think it's good to talk about this phenomenon is because so many Doms think their ‘safety’ is not at risk with some ‘girl’…and yet sub-drop is responsible for many a ‘What kind of sick fuck AM I?’ kind of feelings the morning after. Those feelings can turn on the Dominant…hence the number of ‘assaults’ that happen when HE thought he had consent.

Just something to think about…

beverly

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RE: sub drop - 7/19/2006 10:27:30 AM

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Subdrop is absolutely a physical manifestation, as are other states that have impacts on us emotionally. PMS, menopause, and depression all impact us emotionally even though they are physical manifestations. People vary on how they want the emotional aspect handled though. For me my body and mind are interconnected, so I am very lucky that my Dom encourages me to tell him how I feel anytime after scening. When we first played I was insecure about mentioning the subdrop, which made it 10 times worse for me. When he found out about that he was very adament that I should always tell him when I feel out of sorts. Just knowing I can tell him makes me feel so much better, and to me is a key ingredient of aftercare. Subdrop can occur after a dom isn't even considering you maybe feeling under the weather... so in my humble opinion it becomes a submissive's responsibility to speak up about her aftercare needs...

Just my thoughts

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RE: sub drop - 7/19/2006 11:06:34 AM

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Dear subjenny74, Ladies and Gentlemen;

Submissive drop/sub drop from flying in sub space during a scene is a combination of body chemicals interacting with physical aspects of the body. Pheromones, adrenaline, stress chemicals just to say a few.

Women have cycles, to which adds to the mix. So, either the approach to that cycle is a contributing factor of the 'yuck' factor.

Emotions do also add to the chemical mix and to the scene's results. If one reaches a catharsis point, that peaks the chemicals.

Now, if the scene stopped in the anger processing of the catharsis and didn't go all the way through to release, those anger/emotional chemicals do affect the sub drop as well. It seems more of a trauma state rather a state of release or relaxation.

Follow your body's cravings will help indeed. Keeping well hydrated, to include hydration during the entire scene helps, fruit and or wonderful chocolate helps indeed.

Respectfully submitted for consideration,
Lady Hugs

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RE: sub drop - 7/19/2006 11:09:24 AM

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i got one word for you:

CHOCOLATE

make friends with it...*WEG*

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RE: sub drop - 7/19/2006 11:26:50 AM

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Sub drop is very complex. There are many chemicals involved. Chocolate will sometimes help because of the chemical in it that reacts on the pleasure centers of our brains. Simple sugar is a temporary fix and may sometimes worsen the problem. The sugar aspect of sub drop happens when we deplete the glycogen stores in our bodies. Eating foods containing sugar will make this part of it better...temporarily. When we eat simple sugar our pancreas secretes insulin in large quantity to combat the sugar load. This can lead to a further "drop". It is best to consume sugars that are more complex. Fruit is better than simple white sugar...but it is still a fairly simple sugar. The sugar found in milk...lactose...is a complex sugar and is burned much more slowly and does not trigger that insulin "dumping" response.

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RE: sub drop - 7/19/2006 11:46:04 AM

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i have been staying well hydrated. im real careful of my blood sugar(life long diabetic).
after care was wonderful and lasted through out the night, until i had to go home in the morning. my master has been very patient and understanding and has been encouraging me to talk to him or at least journal. i think its hitting so hard because of the intensity of the week before.

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RE: sub drop - 7/19/2006 11:48:04 AM

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One suggestion that might be good is just to act like you do normally. Force yourself to do the same things you always would, go through the motions and perhaps jar your perspective into seeing that nothing's really changed and nothings permanently wrong. Might get you back on track quicker.

http://www.collarchat.com/m_460639/mpage_1/key_subdrop/tm.htm#460834
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http://www.collarchat.com/m_202168/mpage_1/key_sub%252Cdrop/tm.htm#202459
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http://www.collarchat.com/m_345419/mpage_1/key_sub%252Cdrop/tm.htm#345462
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http://www.collarchat.com/m_398653/mpage_1/key_sub%252Cdrop/tm.htm#399164
subdrop or what?

Is it drop or am I kidding myself?

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Sub Drop

Nervous sub seeks reassurance

sleeping...

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RE: sub drop - 7/19/2006 2:27:55 PM

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chocolate has high levels of Chromium in it, which the body needs to sustain certain levels and balances. For those of us like myself, who are not allowed to have chocolate or do not like chocolate, there is a vitamin called 'chromium picolinate' that you can take daily. Please note, for the first few days you will be a little snappy- please inform your Master/Mistress of this beforehand! lol- but it has significantly reduced the amount/degree of 'sub-drop' that i've experienced. It used to happen quite a bit- being a masochist and a sub-space whore as i am, but now i can enjoy my sub-space and rock out the morning after too!

::EDITED TO ADD:: Always get the time-released Chromium Picoinate- it works the whole day through

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RE: sub drop - 7/19/2006 2:40:39 PM

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There is recent controversy regarding the safety of chromium supplements.

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RE: sub drop - 7/19/2006 3:42:56 PM

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What are you thinking/feeling? Chocolate and the such may help, but why is this drop worse/more intense than before? I would personally address that.

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RE: sub drop - 7/19/2006 5:03:26 PM

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i hadn't realized that, thank you mistoferin, i'll have to look in on that

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RE: sub drop - 7/19/2006 10:28:21 PM

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After sceneing and having sex with my last sub I'd slowly ungag, untie her and hold her in my arms and tell her how beautiful and sexy she was when she came.
We'd hold each other for a half hour or so on the bed and be in a very relaxed state.
I think this really helped her in relation to sub drop.

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RE: sub drop - 7/19/2006 11:41:06 PM

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ORIGINAL: LuckyAlbatross

One suggestion that might be good is just to act like you do normally. Force yourself to do the same things you always would, go through the motions and perhaps jar your perspective into seeing that nothing's really changed and nothings permanently wrong. Might get you back on track quicker.

Funny you mention this...

After a full weekend with Master, where he will typically spring new things on me and push my mental boundaries out even further, it can take me days to get back on track. It has taken a week or so on a couple of occasions. I am forced to behave "normally," as I have work, school, family, etc., to tend to. I typically try not to schedule anything for a Monday though, those are killer for me. ( This Monday is back to back meetings all day - that should be a joy.)

Anyway, I always have extreme sugar cravings very soon after a heavy day with him, and fruit doesn't seem to cut it for me, although it's worked in a pinch. For those days after a vist when I am home and lethargic and low...we call it my "processing time." In the past, it was almost impossible for me to communicate rationally during those times, and I was best left alone to clear my mind. He'd check on me, to make sure I wasn't off the deep end, and then leave me to my ponderings and writings. When I'd come back to myself, I always had some major revelation to share.

Those long recovery periods are not so much the norm anymore, but I did hate them, for certain.

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RE: sub drop - 7/20/2006 3:58:54 AM

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Bev, those are the exact feelings I used to get. What helped me was doing something special for myself. Take a long, hot bubble bath...get a manicure and pedicure...go shopping. For me, it is mostly "girly" stuff, but I've also refinished a chair, etc. Whatever it takes to be nice to myself.

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