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in principal, im in general agreement.

I know on the whole though, students, at least many students of today, would complain vociferously about something like that and unfortunately, the administration would back them up.

once in a lab I gave the students all the apparatus they needed in order to find the answer to a particular question---and wanted them to figure it out based on the tools at hand. eventually they did, but in the meantime there was a lot of angst directed at me with "why don't you teach us??" being first and foremost.

I bet you would have liked it---figuring out center of gravity on a human body with two doctor office scales and a long plank.

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ORIGINAL: bounty44

what we ended up doing was identifying the midpoint of the plank and then moving the body in one direction or the other until the weight on each of the scales was the same. the common point between the midpoint of the plank and where the body touches it is the point in question.

the students knew prior to going in that the center of gravity is the imaginary spot around which our weight is balanced. I had also had given them clues to think about the teetor-totters we play on in parks.

I think the main thing though being---they were frustrated, at least some of them, by being given a problem to solve without directly being shown how or our very specifically not having gone over what was in front of them.

the differences in student desires and teacher approaches are fascinating---and an endless source of contention.

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In theory, I can recognize the benefit of taking elective, unrelated courses and the view that college should make one a "well-rounded person.."

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You had tents?

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This generation is sitting back, and not fighting for much of anything.
The older baby boomers believed in taking it to the streets.
This generation is just sitting back and watching the country decline.

taking it to the streets??? yeah, Operation Wall Street did what, exactly? absolutely nothing.. I participated in one protest walk back when i was in college and half way thru I realized that the cops & govt could be taking pics and getting info on everyone there (& that was in Canada, mind you).. that was the first and last time i did anything like that.. its much worse today, now they have facial recognition, surveillance cameras everywhere, they can read your email, try to hack your computer, access your bank & credit card accounts, etc etc.. Once you get on their "watch list", there is no getting off it.. The govt labeled OWSers "domestic terrorists" ffs.. why? to label peaceful protestors as "terrorists" is despicable.. Anyone that takes to the streets or shows any anti-govt sentiments/actions is putting themselves at risk.. especially in the US where the politicians are bought and paid for by wall streeters, banksters and big corporations.. I am afraid taking it to the streets/protesting doesnt do anything today, not like it may have decades ago when the deck wasnt stacked against people like it is now.. What exactly do you expect this generation to do that will actually accomplish anything?

I don't disagree with all the government surveillance and the fact big brother could make protesters lives
hell.
Does that mean we give up the peaceful protest option?
We must always "take it" and deal with it, no matter what or how bad it gets?
If that is the new world, than its pretty much game over to real Liberty.
Thanks

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ORIGINAL: tj444

I think the biggest "protesters" & heros are the whistleblowers, many who have given up their Liberty (pretty much entirely) such as Snowden, Assange, etc for what they believe in, doing what they think is right.. the ones that have some sorta "freedom" are those whistleblowers that remain anonymous, whether they act alone or with other whistleblowers to expose corruption, whitewashing, lies, fraud, propaganda, rip-offs, injustices, cover-ups, human trafficking, etc perpetrated by the govt, military, financial institutions, big pharma, letter agencies, big corps, etc..

Yeah, I know some of y'all dont think Snowden or Assange are heros but I do as their motives were to expose wrongdoing, govt BS, etc.. so the US govt didnt like the light shone on what they do.. too bad, boo hoo.. if the govt cant stand the heat then dont do this shite!

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Maybe the reason why my generation isn't as "active" as you seem to believe, is because we're too busy stressing over university debt and trying to find a decent paying job to barely start a life, of which there are considerably less than in the past.

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And let's not forget Occupy wall street, which while it was a completely failed effort, it was huge at the time. How was that not raising hell? It might have failed, but it showed a massive discontent among millennia's toward the corruption and continued fraud of the banks.

• A Conservative interpretation of the US Constitution
  
• Personal Responsibility
  
• Help for the truly needy
  
• Limited Government
  
• Consumption Tax (non-profit charities and food exempt)
  

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I lived most of my school years in florida, in row housing with no AC.

You had housing?!
We had to live in tents. In the snow. In our bare feet.

You had tents?

• A Conservative interpretation of the US Constitution
  
• Personal Responsibility
  
• Help for the truly needy
  
• Limited Government
  
• Consumption Tax (non-profit charities and food exempt)
  

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Maybe the reason why my generation isn't as "active" as you seem to believe, is because we're too busy stressing over university debt and trying to find a decent paying job to barely start a life, of which there are considerably less than in the past.

Can't find a decent paying job? Start a business and pay yourself what you consider "decent" for what you do. Businesses aren't started to "create jobs." No one owes anyone else a job.

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And let's not forget Occupy wall street, which while it was a completely failed effort, it was huge at the time. How was that not raising hell? It might have failed, but it showed a massive discontent among millennia's toward the corruption and continued fraud of the banks.

Don't forget all those clowns that joined OWS to protest because there wasn't a job waiting for them after graduation. They blamed Wall Street and the banks for there not being jobs for them. Unless Wall Street and/or a bank promised a job to a student, there is nothing requiring them to offer employment to anyone.

I maintain that OWS's target was the wrong target. You're not going to stop Wall Street from buying the government it wants by appealing to Wall Street, or protesting Wall Street. The only way you're going to end the Wall Street - Government link is to prevent Government from being buyable.

You want to make a"decent wage?" You have two real choices. You can start your own business and decide what the wages are. Or, you can go to work for someone else and provide enough productivity that your employer would consider worth your "decent" wage.

If someone offered you your dream job and offered to pay you double what you would happily work for, would you decline the extra money?

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ORIGINAL: Tkman117
Maybe the reason why my generation isn't as "active" as you seem to believe, is because we're too busy stressing over university debt and trying to find a decent paying job to barely start a life, of which there are considerably less than in the past.

Can't find a decent paying job? Start a business and pay yourself what you consider "decent" for what you do. Businesses aren't started to "create jobs." No one owes anyone else a job.

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And let's not forget Occupy wall street, which while it was a completely failed effort, it was huge at the time. How was that not raising hell? It might have failed, but it showed a massive discontent among millennia's toward the corruption and continued fraud of the banks.

Don't forget all those clowns that joined OWS to protest because there wasn't a job waiting for them after graduation. They blamed Wall Street and the banks for there not being jobs for them. Unless Wall Street and/or a bank promised a job to a student, there is nothing requiring them to offer employment to anyone.

I maintain that OWS's target was the wrong target. You're not going to stop Wall Street from buying the government it wants by appealing to Wall Street, or protesting Wall Street. The only way you're going to end the Wall Street - Government link is to prevent Government from being buyable.

You want to make a"decent wage?" You have two real choices. You can start your own business and decide what the wages are. Or, you can go to work for someone else and provide enough productivity that your employer would consider worth your "decent" wage.

If someone offered you your dream job and offered to pay you double what you would happily work for, would you decline the extra money?

You do realize you need money to make money right? No one is going to give a fresh out of university kid with 30-100k in debt a loan to start a business. Plus post secondary these days more or less gives us the foundation we need to start off in the industry, which means that we gain a lot of our knowledge about the industry by working in it. While I have no problem starting a business further down the road, that's not in the cards for 99% of students, especially in my field. Get your head out of your ass, this isn't the 1950s, the same standards back then simply do not apply to today. Like I said to Fido, spend a day as a millennial and you'll be singing a different tune, because you have no idea what it is like for us trying to navigate a proverbial minefield the previous generations left behind for us.

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Lol, I'm in the science field, and compared to many other majors there technically are plenty of jobs. But news flash, every millennial is running into this problem. My ex's brother was an engineer and it took him 2-3 years to find his first engineering gig, and those are jobs that are typically the most abundant. While I agree that some majors have more job opportunities than others, I went into my program expecting there to be more jobs at the end than others, and from what I've heard it's true, there are more jobs in environmental science than other majors. But at the same time, our country hasn't exactly been supporting much in the way of green progress, and as I stated earlier many companies prefer older and more experienced people for the positions. I'll say what I said to the others, spend a day a millennial and you'll be singing a different tune, because you know shit about what we have to go through.

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ORIGINAL: bounty44

in principal, im in general agreement.

I know on the whole though, students, at least many students of today, would complain vociferously about something like that and unfortunately, the administration would back them up.

once in a lab I gave the students all the apparatus they needed in order to find the answer to a particular question---and wanted them to figure it out based on the tools at hand. eventually they did, but in the meantime there was a lot of angst directed at me with "why don't you teach us??" being first and foremost.

I bet you would have liked it---figuring out center of gravity on a human body with two doctor office scales and a long plank.

Great job.

Piece of cake to solve tho.

Lie the plank so either end rests on the scales. Calibrate to zero.
Lie the person on the plank.
The ratio of weights projected along the plank is the center of gravity of the person.

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Lol, I'm in the science field, and compared to many other majors there technically are plenty of jobs. But news flash, every millennial is running into this problem. My ex's brother was an engineer and it took him 2-3 years to find his first engineering gig, and those are jobs that are typically the most abundant. While I agree that some majors have more job opportunities than others, I went into my program expecting there to be more jobs at the end than others, and from what I've heard it's true, there are more jobs in environmental science than other majors. But at the same time, our country hasn't exactly been supporting much in the way of green progress, and as I stated earlier many companies prefer older and more experienced people for the positions. I'll say what I said to the others, spend a day a millennial and you'll be singing a different tune, because you know shit about what we have to go through.

What about jobs outside of Canada? some young people have decided to take well paying jobs in Dubia, etc.. not the ideal i guess but if you could do that at least as a (temporary?) expat you wouldnt be paying tax to Canada (wheras American expats are still tied to the IRS no matter where they reside).. If I was a young dude it would be something I would look into, weigh the pros & cons and strongly consider..

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ORIGINAL: bounty44

in principal, im in general agreement.

I know on the whole though, students, at least many students of today, would complain vociferously about something like that and unfortunately, the administration would back them up.

once in a lab I gave the students all the apparatus they needed in order to find the answer to a particular question---and wanted them to figure it out based on the tools at hand. eventually they did, but in the meantime there was a lot of angst directed at me with "why don't you teach us??" being first and foremost.

I bet you would have liked it---figuring out center of gravity on a human body with two doctor office scales and a long plank.

Great job.

Piece of cake to solve tho.

Lie the plank so either end rests on the scales. Calibrate to zero.
Lie the person on the plank.
The ratio of weights projected along the plank is the center of gravity of the person.

Uh,god, I hope you two are really young boys masturbating in your mothers basements and neither of you are actually teachers. You are rotting minds with this asswipe. None of your posts have found shit other than the center of the board where weight is equally distributed. You have no fucking clue where the center of gravity on a human is from that. you walk to and stand where the scales read equal, where is that humans center of gravity, describe it anatomically from that please? post #102 is equally as dipshitted, as is your flat-world and other horseshit.

You are detriments to society, and fit to teach nothing.

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ORIGINAL: Tkman117 But at the same time, our country hasn't exactly been supporting much in the way of green progress

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ORIGINAL: Phydeaux

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ORIGINAL: Tkman117 But at the same time, our country hasn't exactly been supporting much in the way of green progress

Gee, what a surprise. It isn't adopted in the real world and you wonder why jobs are hard to find.

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ORIGINAL: Phydeaux

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ORIGINAL: bounty44

in principal, im in general agreement.

I know on the whole though, students, at least many students of today, would complain vociferously about something like that and unfortunately, the administration would back them up.

once in a lab I gave the students all the apparatus they needed in order to find the answer to a particular question---and wanted them to figure it out based on the tools at hand. eventually they did, but in the meantime there was a lot of angst directed at me with "why don't you teach us??" being first and foremost.

I bet you would have liked it---figuring out center of gravity on a human body with two doctor office scales and a long plank.

Great job.

Piece of cake to solve tho.

Lie the plank so either end rests on the scales. Calibrate to zero.
Lie the person on the plank.
The ratio of weights projected along the plank is the center of gravity of the person.