Tkman117
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Maybe the reason why my generation isn't as "active" as you seem to believe, is because we're too busy stressing over university debt and trying to find a decent paying job to barely start a life, of which there are considerably less than in the past.
Can't find a decent paying job? Start a business and pay yourself what you consider "decent" for what you do. Businesses aren't started to "create jobs." No one owes anyone else a job.
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And let's not forget Occupy wall street, which while it was a completely failed effort, it was huge at the time. How was that not raising hell? It might have failed, but it showed a massive discontent among millennia's toward the corruption and continued fraud of the banks.
Don't forget all those clowns that joined OWS to protest because there wasn't a job waiting for them after graduation. They blamed Wall Street and the banks for there not being jobs for them. Unless Wall Street and/or a bank promised a job to a student, there is nothing requiring them to offer employment to anyone.
I maintain that OWS's target was the wrong target. You're not going to stop Wall Street from buying the government it wants by appealing to Wall Street, or protesting Wall Street. The only way you're going to end the Wall Street - Government link is to prevent Government from being buyable.
You want to make a"decent wage?" You have two real choices. You can start your own business and decide what the wages are. Or, you can go to work for someone else and provide enough productivity that your employer would consider worth your "decent" wage.
If someone offered you your dream job and offered to pay you double what you would happily work for, would you decline the extra money?
You do realize you need money to make money right? No one is going to give a fresh out of university kid with 30-100k in debt a loan to start a business. Plus post secondary these days more or less gives us the foundation we need to start off in the industry, which means that we gain a lot of our knowledge about the industry by working in it. While I have no problem starting a business further down the road, that's not in the cards for 99% of students, especially in my field. Get your head out of your ass, this isn't the 1950s, the same standards back then simply do not apply to today. Like I said to Fido, spend a day as a millennial and you'll be singing a different tune, because you have no idea what it is like for us trying to navigate a proverbial minefield the previous generations left behind for us.
Riiiight. I have no idea what a millennial is going through. I didn't go back to college at the tender age of 40 because I couldn't find a job after being laid off in 2010. I didn't go to school to better myself and make myself a more enticing candidate. I didn't find any issues in getting hired as a 40-something who has been unemployed for 3 years. And, to top it off, before my first year was over, I went through a divorce.
Yeah. No idea how tough it can be. Spare me. Get off your pedestal. There aren't "participation trophies" in the real world.
You make excuses for why you can't start your own business, and whine about not being able to find a job for a decent wage.
Thank God we have had people who have found a way to make things work without the good graces of wealth. You're in environmental studies, right? How much capital do you need to start doing research? Have you tried a GoFundMe, or other crowd-sourcing? Do you have an idea for a product that someone might be willing to pay money for?
Technically you don't know, because you at least had a background, some experience. And if you wanted to start a business, chances are you would have gotten a loan for it. A student with nearly 0 experience in the workforce wouldn't be given the benefit of the doubt. And it's not about finding a job with a decent wage, it's about finding a job period. Like I said before it's not just me, EVERY other major and program is facing the same kind of dificulty. There isn't the kind of abundance of employment there was decades ago.
As for your question about research, you need a lot more funding than you think in order to buy land, materials, etc. Not to mention a PhD or a Master's would be more suitable to conducting research than my current bachelors so I'm already being out competed by researchers from universities and larger private companies. Not to mention Resource management is pretty hard to do when you can't find new resources, my program focuses on balancing the need of human society with the needs of the natural environment, so it's a little dificult to make a company based around that. Personally I intend to complete a master's in business so that I can work in management within the environmental sector, which should open up numerous more doorways for me than is currently available, but to do so I need 2 years of work experience before hand, and therein lies the problem. Simply finding a job for the majority of my peers is dificult, and many of us likely have tried starting their own businesses, only to be outcompeted by larger companies that are generally more capable than a few green, fresh out of university kids. That or they were refused loans because they don't have a good enough credit rating yet and they're tens of thousands of dollars in debt.
Nothing and no one guarantees us a job, I get that, and I'm not saying that I'm entitled to a job. College and university open doors and possibilities, that all. But is it unfair to complain about not being able to find a job? Hell no, everyone has a right to complain about it, no matter how old you are. Is it fair for older folks like you to blame millennials for not trying hard enough? Hell no, we're doing the god damn best we can with what we have available. What you think are easy solutions like starting a company, aren't often that simple and straight forward. Like I said, this isn't the 60-70s anymore, kids don't have lots of opportunities once done university, especially if it's just a bachelors. Today a Master's is the new Bachelors, which is why I and several of the people I know are going that route. Is it right for millennials to dislike older generations for broad stroking their generation? Yes, it pisses us off that you place 1970-80 standards on us when those standards no longer apply. Is it right for millennials to blame previous generations for the lack of current employment? Well, yeah, since it was thanks to actions and policies introduced by previous generations that made things so easy for the baby boomers as they aged, but not so much for the younger generations entering the workforce.
I look forward to the day the baby boomers either all retire or die out, because I read an article a while back saying it will create massive vacancies in industries all over the spectrum. Wouldn't that be an interesting day if it came to pass.
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