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Some of us actually talk to hookers when they are not working, you know.

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ORIGINAL: Awareness

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ORIGINAL: tj444
So a man having a relationship with a woman is him paying for sex???

How many women do you know who insist on exclusivity as the price for fucking someone?

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and so a man gets nothing more from that relationship than sex? omfg..

That depends entirely on the woman and what she brings to the table.

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One of the major reasons I dumped my ex was cuz he stopped wanting sex, and for me, I need the physical closeness I get from sex and that intimacy to keep love alive and replenished.. once love disappears you are just roommates.. who needs that? And in the case of my ex, when we split up I didnt demand anything from him, no "payment" at all (finally getting away was all I needed).. I even gave him back my wedding ring as it was his grandmothers and I felt that giving it back was the right thing to do.. Btw, he never asked for the ring back, it was my idea to do that..

That's all very well and good, but the divorce courts are full of women who seem to think they should be compensated for the time they spent in the relationship. Amber Heard seems to think she deserves $50,000 a month for fucking Johnny Depp on a regular basis for a year and a half. That seems awfully bloody transactional to me.

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How many women do you know who insist on exclusivity as the price for fucking someone?

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ORIGINAL: seekingOwnertoo

Yesterday, Sunday before Memorial Day), late morning. I went to a local bar/restaurant. The bartender knew my name (i still don't know hers.) I was the only one there. So we talked, a lot.

She is from Alaska and Montana; got married to her boyfriend of 4 years who joined the service. They moved to South Carolina and within a year, found out marriage would never work.

This was all before she reached 21!

So now she is tending bar and trying to save for school. She is also studying to become a Manager at the Bar/Restaurant I stopped at. As additional information, she lives alone in an apartment less than a quarter mile from me. Plus, she is struggling to get the money together to buy a laptop for school.

Then I got home and saw in the Detroit Free Press, an article that mentions: arrangements are becoming very popular for young women.

And we all know what an arrangement entails; no?

This morning, I was doing some housework, and the thought occurred to me.

She has no friends or family locally. So why not talk more with her about an arrangement?

My thoughts of course are: she could live with me for free and save the money she earns; we both would share some companionship and comfort; and i could get sex regularly.

Of course when she had every thing worked out in her life; she would be free to go.

Ya know, I kind of liked the idea ... so

Please do share your thoughts; about a 21 year old girl becoming the kept submissive of a 59 year old man. :-) Myself, just love that age range. LOL

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ORIGINAL: tj444
You are married & you dont cheat, you say.. if you are in a relationship/marriage (unless its open or allowed) then its not just women that want exclusivity, men do as well..

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And ffs, using a celebrity as an example is not representative at all.. celebs live in their own world & its not the real world.. but since you brought it up, what compensation would you want if you were the one fucking Depp for 1-1/2 years? I think he is one of the sleaziest guys out there (near the sleaze factor of Woody Allen).. ick..

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ORIGINAL: ThatDizzyChick

There are men who will pay for sex, but still care about her sexual pleasure because his a natural giver.
And there are men who will even pay for sex, on top of only taking care of her sexual pleasure and not his own.

Are you trying to tell me you used to be a prostitute? How else would you know these things?

Some of us actually talk to hookers when they are not working, you know.


I do not doubt that. The fact is that that conversation is hearsay and not first hand as gretta would like us to believe.

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ORIGINAL: tj444
You are married & you dont cheat, you say.. if you are in a relationship/marriage (unless its open or allowed) then its not just women that want exclusivity, men do as well..

Depends on the circumstances. Men don't care about exclusivity for women who are just a fuck - they do about women who are a partner/potential mother of their children, because women are property.

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And ffs, using a celebrity as an example is not representative at all.. celebs live in their own world & its not the real world.. but since you brought it up, what compensation would you want if you were the one fucking Depp for 1-1/2 years? I think he is one of the sleaziest guys out there (near the sleaze factor of Woody Allen).. ick..

A) Women are incredibly influenced by popular culture and popular culture not only tends to influence their values it often tends to reflect them. Amber Heard is a reflection of many women's often expressed sense of entitlement - being married is apparently a contract job.

B) Johnny Depp has been a heartthrob for 30 years. If you think he's equivalent to an alleged paedophile because some morally bankrupt harlot is trying to blackmail him, then you're a few sandwiches short of a picnic.

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I don't really understand why somebody would want to pay a hooker to eat her out, but the guys that do are out there.

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I don't really understand why somebody would want to pay a hooker to eat her out, but the guys that do are out there.

Eh? I thought you knew men better than that, Ishtar!

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I don't really understand why somebody would want to pay a hooker to eat her out, but the guys that do are out there.

Eh? I thought you knew men better than that, Ishtar!

Apparently I don't, so please enlighten me.

I can imagine a guy wanting a girlfriend experience wanting to eat her out 'to put her in the mood' and then fuck her (which I also didn't do... see above) but paying a hooker just to eat her out, and not getting off himself? That one has me baffled.

And yes, I know there's submissive guys who do enjoy giving head, but again, it doesn't seem like a hooker is a likely target for that, considering that such men are all about pleasing the woman, and a hooker usually doesn't much enjoy getting head on the job (not just me, but other working girls I've talked to about it).
Also, all of the guys who propositioned me that way where very whinny/demanding/insistent when I turned them down, much more so even than the guys I turned down for anal and other stuff I didn't like to do. So it hardly seems like 'pleasing' me would have been the motivation.

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ORIGINAL: PeonForHer

In certain men's worlds, the fantasy is that you, the lady in question, *love* to be eaten out - which is great, because we love to do said eating out.

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I mean, I *would* have been very appreciative, that one time, many years ago, when I visited a prostitute, in Amsterdam. She looked at me like I was a disturbed lunatic of some sort, when I asked, 'Could I ....?' But then I took one glance at her face and quickly said, 'No, it's OK, forget it'.

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Yep. Nope. By that time, I just wanted to be gone.

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And they say there's no romance left in the world.

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That's one of the reasons red-light district girls like 'newbies'... there's a 50/50 chance that once they're in they'll feel so awkward that they'll be out again in short order (while seasoned guys always try to push time limits). That and the fact that when you tell them after 15 minutes that they have to fork over more cash to continue, they don't tend to protest as much as seasoned guys.

What you're describing happens a lot with inexperienced guys (inexperience with hookers, not in general), and when it's a tourist (instead of local potentially repeat business) the girls are usually more interested in getting him out the door quicker, instead of making him enjoy the experience more.

Turn over is everything when it comes to renting a window, as you need to do at least 3-8 guys a shift to pay for the rent of the window (depending on time of day and location). You do less men than that, you're working for free, or barely breaking even. So depending on how early/late in her shift it is, and how her day is going, sometimes the girl will have an incentive to try to turn you off so that she can get ride of you faster.

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A) so you are saying women are airheads, cuz you say they are so easily influenced by popular culture.. not all women are, I couldnt give a shite about her or what she does.. and I care even less than that about him..

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B) I never said he was a paedophile, and no, my opinion of him has nothing to do with his marriage to her.. it has to do with the fact that he was married when he met her and dumped his wife & kids to be with her.. dumping the wife for a younger model is the popular culture than old/older male farts have a sense of entitlement to do, yeah, its men that are saying its a contract job.. at least Amber heard isnt so stupid to spend years (& several kids) with that so called "heartthrob"..

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ORIGINAL: UllrsIshtar
I don't really understand why somebody would want to pay a hooker to eat her out, but the guys that do are out there.