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RE: Why not offer a Young girl, an Arrangement? - 5/31/2016 3:23:53 AM   
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I think it was FieryOpal that pointed out you are a dickhead! You seem to hate women, all your threads and messages seem to indicate this, why is this? women turned you down one too many times?

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RE: Why not offer a Young girl, an Arrangement? - 5/31/2016 6:28:51 AM   
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I think you would be moving to fast and assuming a lot.Just because it may be a trend doesn't mean she's on board with it.Get to know her a bit,just because she is struggling to make ends meet doesn't mean she's game for an arrangement with you or anyone else.
There are many and quite a few on this site that looking for this arrangement thing,willing to relocate and in the same age group,doesn't mean it's a good idea

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RE: Why not offer a Young girl, an Arrangement? - 5/31/2016 7:51:50 AM   
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You opened the door, sh!t-for-brains, with your quasi-authoritative, unsubstantiated sweeping generalizations on how marriage works and how the dissolution of marriages unfold. Would it be improperly intrusive to ask whether you are a marriage counselor or a family court-appointed mediator, or have personal experience in these matters per your marital status?

Clearly, your posts reveal that you don't know what you're talking about. You say you are single. You sound like a bitter divorcé, with your lopsided anachronistic 1950s perspective on how merged m/f partnerships function in post-modern society.

Whether a woman is a stay-at-home mom, a career woman, or runs the family business alongside her husband, who are you to judge & begrudge what goes on in OTHER PEOPLE's lives?

Not everyone lives in a community property state, so there is not an across-the-board 50/50 split, another gross generalization of yours. Regardless, men whose wives out-earn them, or else who come into the marriage standing to gain from their bride's assets, also stand to benefit just as much in a divorce. There are husbands who get awarded alimony and child support, and it has been fairly uncommon for decades now for judges to award wives any alimony, circa the 1980s.

Your numerous mischaracterizations of [noncontributory] women are nothing more than a classic case of male chauvinism.

As for the rest of your strawman argument, Lucylastic did not ask you what size your dick is. If you were to refer to your dick when posting, then you are in effect inviting questions pertaining to your dick.

However, in your case, acting like a bona fide dickhead is something altogether different.


I didnt call you shitforbrains and I actually think you havce good ideas worthy of agreements.
You did make clear that there are only nine community properti statser
Arizona
California
Idaho
Louisiana
Nevada
New Mexico
Texas
Washington
Wisconsin

In those states marriage is a contract which has a clause in it that you lose half of what you own when you brake the contract.
It doesnt matter WHO brakes it or who earns the money unless there was a prenup which we wont assume for most marriages.

Knowing that we havce to look at teh arrangement that the old fart wants with the young barmaid.

What he wants is a long term contact where he pays something and she gives him sex.
He doesn't want to pay per act which would be something like $100 to $500 per fuck depending on how ugly or desperite the girl was.

He just wants her to live with him so that his costs are not greater and hers are less.
Hes thinking this is worth whatever her rent is which is something like $1000 to $2000 a month depending on many things.

If he fucks her five times a week for that month its about 20 times a month and if her rent is $1000 a month that comes out to only $50 per fuck.
Too cheep!

Buit probably she wont give it to him that much so lets just say twice a week for $125 per fuck.
Still too cheep!

See what I am getting you at?
She isnt going to be as cheep as the first poster things she will be.

She is going to want what every women wants which is more than that.
She will want a contract of some ways that will give her a bonus if he brakes teh contract.

If you dont like my idea of how contracts work that is nice but dont call me shithead for brains just becaseu I bring up ideas that she will want contracts when you think she will not wants them.

Nobody asked her yet so we can only guessed at what she wanted.
(my guess is she gets this offer all the time and is sick of it)

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RE: Why not offer a Young girl, an Arrangement? - 5/31/2016 8:13:49 AM   
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Appreciate your thoughts; although both of you might be way out of touch with today's reality.




You met a women you've decided is a whore yesterday, don't know her name and want to move her into your home in exchange for sex and you call that 'today's reality'.

Wow. I really have been out of the loop.






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RE: Why not offer a Young girl, an Arrangement? - 5/31/2016 10:02:19 AM   
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Appreciate your thoughts; although both of you might be way out of touch with today's reality.




You met a women you've decided is a whore yesterday, don't know her name and want to move her into your home in exchange for sex and you call that 'today's reality'.

Wow. I really have been out of the loop.








This is a good obsservation that the first person who posted doesnt seem to be grounded in reality.

The guy is an old fart and the barmaid is just doing her job.
The old fart entertiains in his head all sorts of ideas of how he can get this engaging charming hyoung woman in his bed.
He knows hes an old fart and he knows she needs money like everyone else.
He doesnt actually want to pay her but he can save her money if she lives with him which doesnt cost him anything.
So in his mind hes doing her a favor nice old fart that he is for sure.

It doesnt really matter that there is no eveidence whateoeve that the barmaid even likes this old fart anymore than any other cuystomer who tips well.

In fact the old fart is using the tipos themselves to be the "price" of her engaging conversation and fancy that she talks to hijm nicer the bigger he tips her. Who would have thought that would happen in the real world.

Hey wait a minute.
Thats teh reality of most men and women in the real world.

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RE: Why not offer a Young girl, an Arrangement? - 5/31/2016 10:49:11 AM   
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ORIGINAL: BitaTruble


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ORIGINAL: seekingOwnertoo



Appreciate your thoughts; although both of you might be way out of touch with today's reality.




You met a women you've decided is a whore yesterday, don't know her name and want to move her into your home in exchange for sex and you call that 'today's reality'.

Wow. I really have been out of the loop.



Pithy and hilarious
I'm thinking OP's loop is pretty loopy.


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RE: Why not offer a Young girl, an Arrangement? - 5/31/2016 11:53:35 AM   
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Maybe he was pumping her for those details, not her volunteering them.. She is young, he is old enough to be her grandfather.. I expect she thought of him as a grandfatherly type of guy, someone that might have grandkids going to college & know how tight money gets.. I seriously doubt she would have told him squat if she had known that he was just another dirty old man thinking creepy thoughts about her..


That's certainly possible.



Or it could have been a couple of sentences, which isn't really sharing all that much - "yeah, I'm from XXXX. I married a guy, we moved here, I figured out we didn't work within a couple of months. So, now I work here and go to school".

That isn't a deep personal, intimate conversation. It's general statement of how you ended up somewhere.

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RE: Why not offer a Young girl, an Arrangement? - 5/31/2016 11:54:40 AM   
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Appreciate your thoughts; although both of you might be way out of touch with today's reality.




You met a women you've decided is a whore yesterday, don't know her name and want to move her into your home in exchange for sex and you call that 'today's reality'.

Wow. I really have been out of the loop.







Sex AND submission

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RE: Why not offer a Young girl, an Arrangement? - 5/31/2016 1:17:51 PM   
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Not everyone lives in a community property state, so there is not an across-the-board 50/50 split, another gross generalization of yours. Regardless, men whose wives out-earn them, or else who come into the marriage standing to gain from their bride's assets, also stand to benefit just as much in a divorce. There are husbands who get awarded alimony

I am thinking tom arnold here...but then he should have been awarded "combat pay" also.

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RE: Why not offer a Young girl, an Arrangement? - 5/31/2016 1:23:28 PM   
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You met a women you've decided is a whore yesterday, don't know her name and want to move her into your home in exchange for sex and you call that 'today's reality'.

Wow. I really have been out of the loop.

Go over to craigs list... it is pretty common. When we are young we believe we are bullet proof.






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RE: Why not offer a Young girl, an Arrangement? - 5/31/2016 1:25:38 PM   
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I had a sugaar babe only once and it cost me her rent and "romantic" moneys like going to dinner and buying her clothes.
It was a couple of thousand a month.
Isnt that about what wife/girlfriend cost?

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RE: Why not offer a Young girl, an Arrangement? - 5/31/2016 1:26:39 PM   
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Actually, no he doesnt have the right to ask her..

Free speech and all that may color your opinion.


she is at work, she is doing her job.. No sane person doing their job wants to be sexually harassed, at the very least, and at the most, propositioned for sex, at work!!!!!

What dimension do you live in where you find it unreasonable that a bartender (male or female)would not get propositioned for sex...why do you think people become bartenders?



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RE: Why not offer a Young girl, an Arrangement? - 5/31/2016 1:27:44 PM   
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Also, free room and board is generally not enough of a bribe for creepy intergenerational sex.

How much do you feel would be appropriate?




Even a lowly crack whore still wants room and board AND CRACK....or money for crack lol. So if that's the bare minimum, I'd say a smart bartender is going to want a fair amount of cash along with her room and board.

How much do you feel would be appropriate?

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RE: Why not offer a Young girl, an Arrangement? - 5/31/2016 2:41:25 PM   
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I had a sugaar babe only once and it cost me her rent and "romantic" moneys like going to dinner and buying her clothes.
It was a couple of thousand a month.
Isnt that about what wife/girlfriend cost?



Depends entirely on the girlfriend/wife. Some can be had for far less than that (if she works herself and believes in not meddling resources, you'd in fact end up saving money, not spending it, by marrying her).
Some cost far more than that.

What a girlfriend/wife costs is also not relevant to this situation, considering that he's offering her the position of girlfriend/wife.
A girlfriend/wife comes into a relationship on equal terms. She's entitled to say 'no' when not in the mood for sex, even if it's for weeks at a time. She ought to be able to expect to continue being cared for/loved if an unfortunate accident landed her in a wheelchair needing more assistance. She has joint decision making regarding household finances, where the couple lives, what they do on weekends together, etc.

All these things don't apply to the contract position of live-in-sex-kitten. If our bartender refuses to perform in bed, or becomes ill. She could expect to be out in the street. She won't have a say on where they live, how he spends his time (even with her), hell, she won't even have a say on what's on tv that night in the living room, considering that it would be 'his' house she lives in. Not theirs.
If she would want to spend all her weekend time away from 'his' domicile (to avoid him) he will in short order raise that as an issue, because she's not available to fulfill her contractually obligated sexual duties to him.

Her position would not at all be that one of a girlfriend/wife, as she would have far less freedom and say, and far more stringently defined conditions to meet in order to ensure the continued roof over her head.
As such, the money that she would 'reasonably' be due cannot sensibly be based on what a wife/girlfriend costs, as the two positions aren't all that much alike, other than superficially.

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RE: Why not offer a Young girl, an Arrangement? - 5/31/2016 2:48:24 PM   
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A few thousand per month is massive to some people.

I have considered the sugar daddy thing but feel that where money is involved, a lot of men seem to think that you don't have the right to have certain boundaries whether that be certain sexual things or an extent of honesty.

I would be curious to be proven wrong but I've yet to meet a sugar daddy type who didn't seem a bit self entitled. I find it sad really because I would love to have someone help me financially if it was coming from a place of genuine care and concern but I feel that the motive is more about "I want it all my way because that's what I pay you for" and then it feels too transactional and uncomfortable.

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RE: Why not offer a Young girl, an Arrangement? - 5/31/2016 3:01:05 PM   
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Actually, no he doesnt have the right to ask her..

Free speech and all that may color your opinion.


she is at work, she is doing her job.. No sane person doing their job wants to be sexually harassed, at the very least, and at the most, propositioned for sex, at work!!!!!

What dimension do you live in where you find it unreasonable that a bartender (male or female)would not get propositioned for sex...why do you think people become bartenders?


I was a bartender for a long time. I was not a hooker. Big difference. Maybe you should upgrade the bars you patronize.

Edit: I guess you need to hear that being propositioned for sex is different qualitatively from being propositioned to be paid to provide sex. I am sorry you aren't aware of this distinction.


< Message edited by Spiritedsub2 -- 5/31/2016 3:04:36 PM >


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RE: Why not offer a Young girl, an Arrangement? - 5/31/2016 3:21:42 PM   
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What dimension do you live in where you find it unreasonable that a bartender (male or female)would not get propositioned for sex...why do you think people become bartenders?





There's a difference between propositioning someone for sex and propositioning them for prostitution.


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RE: Why not offer a Young girl, an Arrangement? - 5/31/2016 3:52:43 PM   
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Or it could have been a couple of sentences, which isn't really sharing all that much - "yeah, I'm from XXXX. I married a guy, we moved here, I figured out we didn't work within a couple of months. So, now I work here and go to school".

That isn't a deep personal, intimate conversation. It's general statement of how you ended up somewhere.


Perhaps it was simply a casual conversation. Or he really is a creep and was pumping her for the information and she was graciously feeding it to him because she didn't want to be rude and/or being nice to customers is her job; and if so, then he's sort of imposing on her graciousness by not recognizing her feelings and dropping it.

I'm reluctant to judge the situation since I didn't witness it myself, but I can see how that *might* be the case. I don't think he's given any clear indication that he's a creepy old man with no regard for other people's feelings, and I'm inclined to give him the benefit of the doubt on that point.

Maybe it's just that I'm socially awkward myself, but I don't personally find anything off-putting in either the age difference or in the directness of his offer.

Your results may vary, of course.



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RE: Why not offer a Young girl, an Arrangement? - 5/31/2016 5:04:20 PM   
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Actually, no he doesnt have the right to ask her..

Free speech and all that may color your opinion.


she is at work, she is doing her job.. No sane person doing their job wants to be sexually harassed, at the very least, and at the most, propositioned for sex, at work!!!!!

What dimension do you live in where you find it unreasonable that a bartender (male or female)would not get propositioned for sex...why do you think people become bartenders?


I was a bartender for a long time.

Did you ever get propositioned?


I was not a hooker.

Everyone is hooker


Big difference.

Perhaps you might enlighten us as to the difference.

Maybe you should upgrade the bars you patronize.

Why pay more for watered booze?

Edit: I guess you need to hear that being propositioned for sex is different qualitatively from being propositioned to be paid to provide sex. I am sorry you aren't aware of this distinction.

Perhaps you might expound at length???

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RE: Why not offer a Young girl, an Arrangement? - 5/31/2016 5:05:34 PM   
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What dimension do you live in where you find it unreasonable that a bartender (male or female)would not get propositioned for sex...why do you think people become bartenders?





There's a difference between propositioning someone for sex and propositioning them for prostitution.

I would be most interested in how you draw your distinctions.

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