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RE: Why not offer a Young girl, an Arrangement? - 5/30/2016 4:24:43 PM

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Thanks for the insight.

The only thing I can say is ... we use Dollars here.

Have a great day!

Yeah, you think I don't know that they use dollars in the US considering that I live in CO?
Considering the 'here' part of that statement, you do realize that over 20% of the people posting in this forum do not live in the US, right?

And what I don't know is what the exchange rate euro to dollar was over 10 years ago, when I was aware of then current rates so I couldn't give you an idea of how much USD it would have been (back then) other than that it would be considerably more than it would be today, considering that the euro was a lot stronger then. It would have probably been about USD750 at the time I'm referring to.

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RE: Why not offer a Young girl, an Arrangement? - 5/30/2016 4:36:19 PM

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And what I don't know is what the exchange rate euro to dollar was over 10 years ago

Between 1.2 to 1.3 dollars to buy a euro back in 2005, depending on the month.
http://www.europarl.europa.eu/RegData/etudes/note/join/2007/379231/IPOL-TRAN_NT(2007)379231_EN.pdf
The relevant table is on page 13 of the PDF.

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RE: Why not offer a Young girl, an Arrangement? - 5/30/2016 4:48:33 PM

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And what I don't know is what the exchange rate euro to dollar was over 10 years ago

Between 1.2 to 1.3 dollars to buy a euro back in 2005, depending on the month.
http://www.europarl.europa.eu/RegData/etudes/note/join/2007/379231/IPOL-TRAN_NT(2007)379231_EN.pdf
The relevant table is on page 13 of the PDF.

So about 10 years ago, starting rates for monthly pocket money was around $600-$650 US.

So OP, yeah, still... if she's actually interested in that kind of arrangement, she can do better than you.
Both in terms of a younger guy, as well as one who will make the finances and living arrangement more attractive then your current 'proposal'.

Oh, something else that's noteworthy to mentions: none of the arrangements I'm familiar with included domestic duties. If you get a sugar babe, she won't clean.

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RE: Why not offer a Young girl, an Arrangement? - 5/30/2016 4:52:38 PM

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And what I don't know is what the exchange rate euro to dollar was over 10 years ago

Between 1.2 to 1.3 dollars to buy a euro back in 2005, depending on the month.
http://www.europarl.europa.eu/RegData/etudes/note/join/2007/379231/IPOL-TRAN_NT(2007)379231_EN.pdf
The relevant table is on page 13 of the PDF.

So about 10 years ago, starting rates for monthly pocket money was around $600-$650 US.

So OP, yeah, still... if she's actually interested in that kind of arrangement, she can do better than you.
Both in terms of a younger guy, as well as one who will make the finances and living arrangement more attractive then your current 'proposal'.

Oh, something else that's noteworthy to mentions: none of the arrangements I'm familiar with included domestic duties. If you get a sugar babe, she won't clean.

Important to also note -- if a young lady wants this kind of arrangement that OP mentions, I think as others have pointed out, why wouldn't she seek a man who will give her enough money to LIVE ON HER OWN and pay her expenses etc. What young lady wants to live with an old guy?

And from what I understand, many sugar daddy type relationships also don't have sexual intercourse on the table per se, but companionship, dating, etc. Arm candy.

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RE: Why not offer a Young girl, an Arrangement? - 5/30/2016 4:58:39 PM

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And what.............you ain't got no arms, AAkasha?

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RE: Why not offer a Young girl, an Arrangement? - 5/30/2016 5:00:52 PM

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It's the ultimate wet dream. I know i have shared that fantasy too. but thats what it is is a fantasy.

The ONLY chance you have at any sort of success in this is if she is actually in to you. otherwise like has been said before, she can do better, younger and with less "stipulations" involved.

if this is what you're REALLY after having in your home though then maybe make a profile here specificly for that, or look around the groups on FetLife, otherwise you will end up losing a conversation buddy at best, and worst getting arrested.

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RE: Why not offer a Young girl, an Arrangement? - 5/30/2016 5:12:57 PM

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ORIGINAL: AAkasha

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ORIGINAL: UllrsIshtar

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And what I don't know is what the exchange rate euro to dollar was over 10 years ago

Between 1.2 to 1.3 dollars to buy a euro back in 2005, depending on the month.
http://www.europarl.europa.eu/RegData/etudes/note/join/2007/379231/IPOL-TRAN_NT(2007)379231_EN.pdf
The relevant table is on page 13 of the PDF.

So about 10 years ago, starting rates for monthly pocket money was around $600-$650 US.

So OP, yeah, still... if she's actually interested in that kind of arrangement, she can do better than you.
Both in terms of a younger guy, as well as one who will make the finances and living arrangement more attractive then your current 'proposal'.

Oh, something else that's noteworthy to mentions: none of the arrangements I'm familiar with included domestic duties. If you get a sugar babe, she won't clean.

Important to also note -- if a young lady wants this kind of arrangement that OP mentions, I think as others have pointed out, why wouldn't she seek a man who will give her enough money to LIVE ON HER OWN and pay her expenses etc. What young lady wants to live with an old guy?

And from what I understand, many sugar daddy type relationships also don't have sexual intercourse on the table per se, but companionship, dating, etc. Arm candy.

Oh rats!

Guess I am stuck with two Ladies, over 45, who both have 38 plus bra sizes. Both looking for a man who is in to them!

Well than,

decisions, decisions and more decisions!

Still not sure which one I will surrender too.

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RE: Why not offer a Young girl, an Arrangement? - 5/30/2016 5:15:23 PM

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Oh rats!

Guess I am stuck with two Ladies, over 45, who both have 38 plus bra sizes. Both looking for a man who is in to them!

Well than,

decisions, decisions and more decisions!

Still not sure which one I will surrender too.

Ugh. Why even make this thread. Serious trolling here.

Bra size, really? Such an important detail to point out what great catches these ladies are.

Of course, now you will say, "I was just KIDDING about the bra comment."

True colors: Shown.

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RE: Why not offer a Young girl, an Arrangement? - 5/30/2016 5:24:29 PM

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ORIGINAL: seekingOwnertoo
She has no friends or family locally. So why not talk more with her about an arrangement?

My thoughts of course are: she could live with me for free and save the money she earns; we both would share some companionship and comfort; and i could get sex regularly.

Of course when she had every thing worked out in her life; she would be free to go.

My thoughts are these: there's nothing inherently wrong with an "arrangement". Many couples have similar relationships without being half so honest about it.

Either she will be keen on the idea, or she won't.

If she won't, it will either be because she's uncomfortable with being "bought" (because she wants something more) or because her ego won't allow her to accept such a straightforward offer.

Assuming that *you're* okay with it, and that *you* want nothing more... what have you really got to lose by broaching the question?

At best, you gain a sex partner. At worst, you have to buy your drinks elsewhere.

It seems like you don't stand to lose much by offering.

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RE: Why not offer a Young girl, an Arrangement? - 5/30/2016 5:28:09 PM

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True colors: Shown.

I saw them clearly in the OP.

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RE: Why not offer a Young girl, an Arrangement? - 5/30/2016 5:38:16 PM

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If she won't, it will either be because she's uncomfortable with being "bought" (because she wants something more) or because her ego won't allow her to accept such a straightforward offer.

Or maybe she just isn't interested.
Or maybe she thinks he's just a creepy old man.
Or maybe she knows that if she were interested in such an arrangement, she could do better.

There are numerous other reasons for her to reject him that have nothing to do with 'ego' or 'discomfort with being bought'.

There is, however, not one single reason to believe that she would be interested. The OP has not given any info that leads one to conclude that she has any interest in him whatsoever, beyond being nice to a regular customer, because its good business.

But apparently that's all it takes for someone to think its acceptable to approach her with such an intimate, sexually loaded offer.

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RE: Why not offer a Young girl, an Arrangement? - 5/30/2016 5:45:46 PM

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Wow, You are really driven on this aren't you?

How do You know I am not just bored today, and started a post to amuse myself

Ahhh, the old "it was a joke" trick,,,,,,,,,,,,,,yeah, I believe that!

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RE: Why not offer a Young girl, an Arrangement? - 5/30/2016 5:49:51 PM

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If she won't, it will either be because she's uncomfortable with being "bought" (because she wants something more) or because her ego won't allow her to accept such a straightforward offer.

Or maybe she just isn't interested.
Or maybe she thinks he's just a creepy old man.
Or maybe she knows that if she were interested in such an arrangement, she could do better.

There are numerous other reasons for her to reject him that have nothing to do with 'ego' or 'discomfort with being bought'.

That's true enough.

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There is, however, not one single reason to believe that she would be interested. The OP has not given any info that leads one to conclude that she has any interest in him whatsoever, beyond being nice to a regular customer, because its good business.

But apparently that's all it takes for someone to think its acceptable to approach her with such an intimate, sexually loaded offer.

Also true, but I have to ask: without further inquiry how could the OP *possibly* know whether or not she's just being polite to a customer? What does he (or she) have to lose by his asking? Are we prepared to burn him at the stake for approaching her with "such an intimate, sexually loaded offer"? After all, it's not rape. It's just a question.

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RE: Why not offer a Young girl, an Arrangement? - 5/30/2016 5:58:20 PM

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I am single, NOT married

I mean every guy does it.
Married guy does it.
Single guy does it.

Marriage is a contract where halve your money goes to her if you brake the contract.
Single guy has to do the same contract only the terms are far less sevire.

That is why I mentoned that a prostitute is cheaper because she doesn't require the long term contract.

Its the long term contract that I was taling about.
A long term contract is what YOU are talking about.

Their both a long term contract.
Dont you see the equivalance?

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RE: Why not offer a Young girl, an Arrangement? - 5/30/2016 6:03:15 PM

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You want to pay for a girl to have sex with you?
She is going to extract a large price out of you.

If you are prepared to pay you will be like every other married guy.
You will have a contract.
You give her money for sex.
She gives you sex for money.

Fair and square.

Normanlly she can get that from any guy and nmormally she picks a guy somewhat around her age.
So you are out of her normal range.

But hey they all do it.
So go for it.

Just remember what I said.
She extracts her price and there is a contract which will eventuelly be broken in 90% of the situations.

So be prepaired for the price when the contract is broken.
Which for married guys is basically half of what you own today.

Diveide that by the number of times you had sex and it comes out to many thouusands of dollars per sex act.

Then think about how cheap a hooker findomme is by way of comparison.
No contract!

Are you single?

You didnt get the analaly if you ask that question.

All men who want long term woman have to make a contract.
The first persion who posted is talking about a long term contract.
Of corse that first person isnt expecting to pay thru the nose when the contract brakes but she the girl will extract her due money.
That is just like marriage contract wich is designed to make half the money go to each party when they break teh marriage contact.

SO it does not matter at all if the person is married or not married.
The WOMEN wont give teh men the sex without the contract.

The part that the women want in teh contract is the part that kicks in when the contract is BROKED!

In the case of the first poster the contract will be fine for HIM un til he brakes the contract and then she will extract her due money from him if she is any good.

Do you know teh old adages of why give the milk for free?
Its all about women always forcing teh long term contract which means you pay every day and when you brake the contract you give half away.

I am just warning the first poster how the world world when deeling with women they way HE wants to deel with them!

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RE: Why not offer a Young girl, an Arrangement? - 5/30/2016 6:04:22 PM

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Also true, but I have to ask: without further inquiry how could the OP *possibly* know whether or not she's just being polite to a customer? What does he (or she) have to lose by his asking? Are we prepared to burn him at the stake for approaching her with "such an intimate, sexually loaded offer"? After all, it's not rape. It's just a question.

You seriously don't think there are a 1000 better ways to determine if she has any level of interest in him?

Do you believable its appropriate to ask a woman young enough to be your granddaughter, one with whom you have no social relationship whatsoever and who has given you no reason to think that she wants one to move in with you and have sex with you in return for being kept?

No one said anything about burning him at the stake. However, at a minimum, he risks getting ostracized, and rightly so. Depending on what kind of woman she is, or what kind of person the bar owner is, he could risk his dangly parts being skewered with an icepick from the bar, or getting his ass dragged out to the back and kicked.

Because it is creepy and offensive.

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RE: Why not offer a Young girl, an Arrangement? - 5/30/2016 6:04:42 PM

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Hmm, I can't speak for her but if I were in a shit position, I might go for it but only because I'm pretty confident it would work out more for me than you. I'd probably make sure we had a lease spanning a predetermined amount of time with 0.00 being what's due at the end of the month. The lease wouldn't mention our sexual arrangement but would have everything else in it that leases have. Then I'd move in and let the older guy fuck me.

The thing about this arrangement is, after a few times fucking someone who's not into him, the guy would probably lose interest. Have you ever had sex with someone who has got it written all over their face and body that they'd rather be anywhere else other than with you? Silent? Staring at the wall or off into space? Thinking about school? Literally just not interested? For a lot of guys i bet jerking off sounds pretty good at that point. But at that point, you're kinda stuck legally housing me for the duration of the lease i think. I'm not a lawyer but here in philly, landlords have to do all sorts of shit and actually spend money on court fees to evict someone. And bringing up the verbal sex agreement would make things even more complicated for you because the whole question of prostitution would come up.

So I'd see myself as having a free place to stay in exchange for sex that happens less frequently until my 'landlord' doesn't even bother asking. It works. I have no serious hang ups about sex. Especially meaningless sex. But I'm not going to lie about my interest/lack of interest either. Not saying I would pull out my phone and start texting as soon as you got started but...I'd totally pull out my phone and start texting as soon as you got started lol.

Then again, I'm not a guy. Maybe a warn hole is all you'd want and you'd take every opportunity to fuck her. But if that's all you want, a flesh light is cheaper, less trouble, and doesn't ask if you're done yet.

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RE: Why not offer a Young girl, an Arrangement? - 5/30/2016 6:08:11 PM

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This is so creepy on so many levels.

And I feel bad for her, because she can't slap you across the face if you ask her this, or say, "Do you realize I would rather eat my own vomit than sleep with you?" -- or else she will lose her job and she obviously needs her job.

So it's especially UNFAIR to her that you, a customer, put her in that position, and she will be FORCED to be diplomatic (and I am sure you will assume her soft no is a "maybe" and keep pestering, and soon she'll be agonizing over how to shut you down without angering her bosses for pissing off a customer. Plus what if you retaliate?)

Do not put her in this position by even at hinting at such a thing. If you want that kind of thing, do one of the ads the article talks about and find a lady LOOKING FOR IT.

Oh, and by the way, of those thousands of women signing up for these arrangements, any guesses on how many are FAKE anyway -- either guys looking to get their rocks off by pretending to be a sugar baby negotiating with a dude, etc?

Akasha

On what she sais above I would advise teh first poster to just go to any "sugar daddy" web site.
http://www.miamiherald.com/news/nation-world/national/article80680697.html
http://cbs4indy.com/2016/05/18/hoosier-college-students-turning-to-sugar-daddies-to-pay-for-tuition/
http://www.sugardaddysite.org/

Sugar daddy is what all women do.
Some do it on sugar daddy web site.
Others do it with marriage contract.

No differences.

The first poster is not going to get what he is looking for without the long term contract which has a steap penalty for braking the contract!

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RE: Why not offer a Young girl, an Arrangement? - 5/30/2016 6:13:22 PM

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OP said this: Think she would love to spend a couple years with a caring and loving, older and mentoring man. A relationship that would be a stepping stone for her life,

That's why my question was framed the way it was.

There's nothing noble in an old man feigning concern in order to get his dick touched.

Ask Bill Clinton what he did when Kathleen Willey told him her husband just died.
She may have lied as she lied about being pregnant but nonealess she said he groped her sexuelly when she was crying about her dead husband.

Men give women what they want to get what they want.
In this case Clinton offer money and support for sex.

This is same as what first poster is ofering barmaid girls.

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RE: Why not offer a Young girl, an Arrangement? - 5/30/2016 6:16:11 PM

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And I feel bad for her, because she can't slap you across the face if you ask her this, or say, "Do you realize I would rather eat my own vomit than sleep with you?" -- or else she will lose her job and she obviously needs her job.

I am not so sure of that, seeing as what he would be doing is technically soliciting for prostitution, and therefore illegal as fuck in Michigan, she may well be able to get away with that, and might also manage to get him arrested and thrown in jail.

See?
There is price to pay when contract is broked.
If he keep her happy she takes money all day every day.
But if he stops keeping her happy she slaps him in jail.

Whgat a wonderful world we live in.

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