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ORIGINAL: NorthernGent1

There certainly is something wrong with immigration.

Our government has placed asylum seekers in places already struggling with high unemployment and the associated burden on public services. Places such as Middlesbrough, Rochdale, Oldham.

Now, their contempt for people's communities has come back to bite them, because had they spread the load 'round the country people would have said: "fair enough".

David Cameron and associates wouldn't live next door to an asylum seeker, so why should people in areas of high deprivation? This has been going on for a long time and people took the opportunity to stand up for their communities.

As for Jeremy Corbyn being elected to a position of power, you have more chance of being drowned in a puddle. That horse bolted a long while back. They had their chance and they feathered their own nests. People haven't forgotten that either.

Edited to add: the EU is a classic socialist institution. Talking shite about saving the world while having four presidents, thousands of people dreaming up regulations where they're not needed in order to justify a huge salary, and granting themselves reduce income tax not afford to the people they're supposed to be serving. What I really like about them is that they pay themselves a daily allowance just for turning up - now, that takes some serious egomania to arrive at that conclusion - and I for one still can't believe that there are people out there who could possibly justify such a thing - as I say, classic socialist - they probably think they're saving the world and as such deserve these things, while everyone else is scratching their heads thinking these people must be on some serious mind bending drugs.

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ORIGINAL: NorthernGent1

What hasn't been said is that those EU MEPs leaving the job get paid two years full salary after leaving. All at the tax-payers expense. That's running into hundreds of thousands of pounds.

The greedy fuckers.

Let's see what Farage is made of. If he takes it it will make a mockery of everything he has said.

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And, Blympth, you don't understand England. Old habits die hard here, and there are deep class and political divides. The Tories are despised in the North East of England. So, don't believe for a second we were voting out of some sort of nationalist sentiment.

This isn't Germany nor France. We don't have grand ideals of saving the world through some super alliance. We're traditionalists who by and large just want to be left alone to run our lives.

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ORIGINAL: blnymph

Traditional labour voters voting against working class interests because they didn't like what "experts" told them; well instead you voted for Boris and the kippers, how absurd is that ... - I have pointed out already above it did not need much expertise these days to check yourselves whatever they told you. Did you fail to watch it blown in the wind the day after?

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ORIGINAL: NorthernGent1

Continental Europe has always been a society ordered in a fashion where the people expect that a few 'experts' will lord it over the many; that doesn't wash here.

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ORIGINAL: MariaB

Neoliberalism wasn’t kept as ghetto politics for such a long time for nothing, so why have we watched it grow into the monster it now is?. Neoliberalism is all we’ve had since we joined the EU. Government after government who had this absurd idea of an economic government based solely on the market and its ability to self-regulate.

We haven’t got nation by nation leadership anymore; we’ve got managers of austerity and repression. Countries like Spain, Greece, Italy and Portugal have been crippled by austerity measures that have been imposed on all EU countries and whilst Britain hasn’t suffered nearly as much, we are burdened with a political party who use austerity to their own ends which certainly doesn’t include the working poor.

“Twenty-three million are unemployed thanks to EU-driven austerity. Living standards have collapsed thanks to EU-driven austerity. Far-right groups have gained strength thanks to EU-driven austerity. Renewed tensions have emerged between nation states thanks to EU-driven austerity. Public services have been decimated thanks to EU-driven austerity.
The EU’s commitment to neoliberalism means its laws are designed to encourage private enterprise at the expense of public ownership. As a result, we have seen an accelerating transfer of ownership and control of industry from elected governments to big corporations.

Trade unionists and socialists make key demands over public ownership. But many of these demands would actually be prohibited under EU law. So, for example, renationalising the railways is forbidden, as EU law compels member states to open up their railway systems to the market.

And the controversial Transatlantic Trade and Investment Partnership (TTIP) deal, which would open up public services, including the NHS, to wholesale privatization, should be reason enough for anyone who cares about these things to support a Leave vote”. https://www.opendemocracy.net/uk/paul-emery/why-on-earth-would-socialists-support-neoliberal-undemocratic-eu

The great scholar Karl Polanyi once wrote, "To allow the market mechanism to be sole director of the fate of human beings and their natural environment...would result in the demolition of society". That was over 50 years ago so I bet Polanyi is rolling in his grave at the EU’s dominant doctrine on market forces and privatization.

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ORIGINAL: NorthernGent1
You're just like them, because you can't possibly conceive of a situation where people in this area voted the way they did because it was a vote against all politicians. The lot of 'em. British, European, whatever.

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So, when the opportunity arose to fuck up their grand plans, people 'round here snapped their hands off and gave them a big: "fuck you".

So, don't be so condescending in thinking that we're all sheep being led around the block. Farage isn't one of us and never will be. It was one in the eye for the fuckers as opposed to any sense that there is some saviour out there who is going to make things 'better'.

I do not want to spoil your romantic notions of how you successfully kicked some arses, especially Nigel F's ... but you didn't. It may take some more time to realise that maybe. But you just did their job. And lined some pockets, and it won't be yours either.

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ORIGINAL: Edwird


Take a look at my edit to previous post.

"A must read!"

Many world pundits

The OECD site has a much better set of graphs for 8 different ways of looking at per capita GDP, but it's not working right now. I hate that Wiki mess I was compelled to use instead. Sorry for the eyesore.

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ORIGINAL: blnymph

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ORIGINAL: NorthernGent1

What hasn't been said is that those EU MEPs leaving the job get paid two years full salary after leaving. All at the tax-payers expense. That's running into hundreds of thousands of pounds.

The greedy fuckers.

Let's see what Farage is made of. If he takes it it will make a mockery of everything he has said.

Then why voting them in in the first place? And vote for their interests again? What more do you need to discover the likes of him were the pied pipers you followed.

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And, Blympth, you don't understand England. Old habits die hard here, and there are deep class and political divides. The Tories are despised in the North East of England. So, don't believe for a second we were voting out of some sort of nationalist sentiment.

This isn't Germany nor France. We don't have grand ideals of saving the world through some super alliance. We're traditionalists who by and large just want to be left alone to run our lives.

The being left alone has already begun. Do you remember the Tata statement they day after the referendum? How they feel so British (oh sounds so nice but no, Tata is from India the biggest car and steel manufacturer there, good old Commonwealth) and nothing will change - until last week when Tata announced they are looking for "joint venture partners" for their British plants, which as we all know, in economy double speak means they are selling to cut losses.

I have lived in Britain and being there regularly I talk to friends and all kind of people, British, EU expats, Commonwealth whatever you fancy. Maybe some kind of people you do not like to talk to. Many who have only temporary work contracts got hinted already that renewals are unlikely under the circumstances. Cut of funds, sorry, nothing personal of course. Workers rights, yes EU still valid but we are likely to rewrite our contracts to UK regulations, bad luck, less favourable for you but not for us of course. There might be a bit of pulling spuds left though.

Traditional labour voters voting against working class interests because they didn't like what "experts" told them; well instead you voted for Boris and the kippers, how absurd is that ... - I have pointed out already above it did not need much expertise these days to check yourselves whatever they told you. Did you fail to watch it blown in the wind the day after?

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ORIGINAL: MariaB

Neoliberalism wasn’t kept as ghetto politics for such a long time for nothing, so why have we watched it grow into the monster it now is?. Neoliberalism is all we’ve had since we joined the EU. Government after government who had this absurd idea of an economic government based solely on the market and its ability to self-regulate.

We haven’t got nation by nation leadership anymore; we’ve got managers of austerity and repression. Countries like Spain, Greece, Italy and Portugal have been crippled by austerity measures that have been imposed on all EU countries and whilst Britain hasn’t suffered nearly as much, we are burdened with a political party who use austerity to their own ends which certainly doesn’t include the working poor.

“Twenty-three million are unemployed thanks to EU-driven austerity. Living standards have collapsed thanks to EU-driven austerity. Far-right groups have gained strength thanks to EU-driven austerity. Renewed tensions have emerged between nation states thanks to EU-driven austerity. Public services have been decimated thanks to EU-driven austerity.
The EU’s commitment to neoliberalism means its laws are designed to encourage private enterprise at the expense of public ownership. As a result, we have seen an accelerating transfer of ownership and control of industry from elected governments to big corporations.

Trade unionists and socialists make key demands over public ownership. But many of these demands would actually be prohibited under EU law. So, for example, renationalising the railways is forbidden, as EU law compels member states to open up their railway systems to the market.

And the controversial Transatlantic Trade and Investment Partnership (TTIP) deal, which would open up public services, including the NHS, to wholesale privatization, should be reason enough for anyone who cares about these things to support a Leave vote”. https://www.opendemocracy.net/uk/paul-emery/why-on-earth-would-socialists-support-neoliberal-undemocratic-eu

The great scholar Karl Polanyi once wrote, "To allow the market mechanism to be sole director of the fate of human beings and their natural environment...would result in the demolition of society". That was over 50 years ago so I bet Polanyi is rolling in his grave at the EU’s dominant doctrine on market forces and privatization.

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ORIGINAL: NorthernGent1

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ORIGINAL: blnymph

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ORIGINAL: NorthernGent1

What hasn't been said is that those EU MEPs leaving the job get paid two years full salary after leaving. All at the tax-payers expense. That's running into hundreds of thousands of pounds.

The greedy fuckers.

Let's see what Farage is made of. If he takes it it will make a mockery of everything he has said.

Then why voting them in in the first place? And vote for their interests again? What more do you need to discover the likes of him were the pied pipers you followed.

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And, Blympth, you don't understand England. Old habits die hard here, and there are deep class and political divides. The Tories are despised in the North East of England. So, don't believe for a second we were voting out of some sort of nationalist sentiment.

This isn't Germany nor France. We don't have grand ideals of saving the world through some super alliance. We're traditionalists who by and large just want to be left alone to run our lives.

The being left alone has already begun. Do you remember the Tata statement they day after the referendum? How they feel so British (oh sounds so nice but no, Tata is from India the biggest car and steel manufacturer there, good old Commonwealth) and nothing will change - until last week when Tata announced they are looking for "joint venture partners" for their British plants, which as we all know, in economy double speak means they are selling to cut losses.

I have lived in Britain and being there regularly I talk to friends and all kind of people, British, EU expats, Commonwealth whatever you fancy. Maybe some kind of people you do not like to talk to. Many who have only temporary work contracts got hinted already that renewals are unlikely under the circumstances. Cut of funds, sorry, nothing personal of course. Workers rights, yes EU still valid but we are likely to rewrite our contracts to UK regulations, bad luck, less favourable for you but not for us of course. There might be a bit of pulling spuds left though.

Traditional labour voters voting against working class interests because they didn't like what "experts" told them; well instead you voted for Boris and the kippers, how absurd is that ... - I have pointed out already above it did not need much expertise these days to check yourselves whatever they told you. Did you fail to watch it blown in the wind the day after?

You're not responding with a point to any of the points I've posted.

You're simply talking in vague terms that have little insight.

Pick a point, any point, and respond to that point with a couple of sentences.

Because at this juncture I have no idea what you're talking about.

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ORIGINAL: MariaB
The good news is, the falling £ is going to make housing more affordable. The bad news is, its going to be more affordable to people who hold a buoyant currency, which means British housing will become a world investment whilst the Brits will have to suffer the negative equity.

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ORIGINAL: blnymph

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ORIGINAL: NorthernGent1

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ORIGINAL: blnymph

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ORIGINAL: NorthernGent1

What hasn't been said is that those EU MEPs leaving the job get paid two years full salary after leaving. All at the tax-payers expense. That's running into hundreds of thousands of pounds.

The greedy fuckers.

Let's see what Farage is made of. If he takes it it will make a mockery of everything he has said.

Then why voting them in in the first place? And vote for their interests again? What more do you need to discover the likes of him were the pied pipers you followed.

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And, Blympth, you don't understand England. Old habits die hard here, and there are deep class and political divides. The Tories are despised in the North East of England. So, don't believe for a second we were voting out of some sort of nationalist sentiment.

This isn't Germany nor France. We don't have grand ideals of saving the world through some super alliance. We're traditionalists who by and large just want to be left alone to run our lives.

The being left alone has already begun. Do you remember the Tata statement they day after the referendum? How they feel so British (oh sounds so nice but no, Tata is from India the biggest car and steel manufacturer there, good old Commonwealth) and nothing will change - until last week when Tata announced they are looking for "joint venture partners" for their British plants, which as we all know, in economy double speak means they are selling to cut losses.

I have lived in Britain and being there regularly I talk to friends and all kind of people, British, EU expats, Commonwealth whatever you fancy. Maybe some kind of people you do not like to talk to. Many who have only temporary work contracts got hinted already that renewals are unlikely under the circumstances. Cut of funds, sorry, nothing personal of course. Workers rights, yes EU still valid but we are likely to rewrite our contracts to UK regulations, bad luck, less favourable for you but not for us of course. There might be a bit of pulling spuds left though.

Traditional labour voters voting against working class interests because they didn't like what "experts" told them; well instead you voted for Boris and the kippers, how absurd is that ... - I have pointed out already above it did not need much expertise these days to check yourselves whatever they told you. Did you fail to watch it blown in the wind the day after?

You're not responding with a point to any of the points I've posted.

You're simply talking in vague terms that have little insight.

Pick a point, any point, and respond to that point with a couple of sentences.

Because at this juncture I have no idea what you're talking about.

Maybe your having no idea is caused by not having read any posts previous to yours.

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ORIGINAL: NorthernGent1

We're traditionalists who by and large just want to be left alone to run our lives.

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The being left alone has already begun.
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Many who have only temporary work contracts got hinted already that renewals are unlikely under the circumstances. Cut of funds, sorry, nothing personal of course. Workers rights, yes EU still valid but we are likely to rewrite our contracts to UK regulations, bad luck, less favourable for you but not for us of course. There might be a bit of pulling spuds left though.

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A point would help?

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ORIGINAL: blnymph
I quoted what some of my friends got told and told me when I visited them last week. This kind of talks is happening these days.

Your "we just want to be left alone" ... means some of your neighbours are made to leave. Maybe not your next door neighbours since I gather you live up somewhere north the Humber while these live in the midlands.

More points necessary? All those harmless little phrases going round and round these last weeks mean quite some harm for some who did nothing to be blamed for.