Staleek
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There you go again with the negative waves, Staleek. You should be dancing down the streets, embracing your new 'freedom' and relishing the fact that you've 'taken back control'. I know that's what I'll be doing later (before I get arrested and banged up for the night in a padded cell again).
Negative waves? I have a feeling you might know all of this, but what's an economy?
Even some economists get this wrong. Let's take a big city. London. You can think about the millions of people living in it, think about their finances, pensions, jobs, and GDP, which is what some of our less competent politicians and economists do. Especially our previous chancellor, who didn't have a fucking clue, thought of interest rates and taxes, cuts and austerity. But the best way to think about the economy, politics, what has happened, and the potential consequences, is this;
Let's take another look at London. What actually happens there every day? How many cows die for London every day? How many farmers have to bring those cows in? How many butchers have to slice up those cows and bulls? How many liters of milk have to be processed, packaged, and sent into London every day? How many bales of wheat have to be harvested, processed, and turned into food whether bread or something else? How many boxes of fruit need to be collected from farms in Africa, India, or Brazil, put into crates, and shipped across the sea, just for London, every day? How many tins of beans, spagetti, soup, chopped tomatoes etc, need to be made and moved into the city? How many millions of gallons of water have to be cleaned and pumped into London via the water system, and how many liters of crap and piddle need to be extracted and treated from the city, every single day?
And that's just food and water. Every single day.
How many operations need to performed by doctors in the city on a daily basis? How many disposable surgical tools need to be processed, and how many replaced? How many drugs need to be processed and brought in, from asprin to evotaz, to vaccines? How many crutches need to be supplied, how many beds need to be available in any given day? How many dental operations need to be performed, how many dentists do you need in a city to cover that? How much paper needs to be brought in, from schools to government offices? So how many trees have had to be chopped and turned into paper? How much coal and gas is going be needed to power everything in the city?
How much does all of that cost? And how does London actually pay for it all?
The EU supplies a lot of the above to us, and we do the same back. This isn't something new. We traded a lot with Europe, over the decades we became closer, and eventually all the big players of Europe got together and made this process easier with various treaties. Along with these treaties came more political cooperation and eventually a union was formed. We've based our entire economy and legal framework on being in this union for the last 40 years.
An economy is almost indistinguishable from an ecosystem in how it operates. It adapts and changes to environmental changes, it grows in times of plenty, it shrinks when there is not much to feed it. Strong businesses survive, weak businesses perish. And just like the environment we depend on it for everything from food to energy. And also just like the environment it is extremely fragile, and polluting it with oil or garbage or crappy decisions can cause immense damage. Brexit isn't just a massive oil slick (like the 2008 recession), it is actually taking the entire ecosystem and completely trashing it without even a plan of what to do afterwards. We can't "take our country back" from being supplied with food, raw materials, and consumer goods via treaty unless we are adopting the North Korean model (which given some of the Brexiters mad ideas might actually happen). There is NOTHING good at Brexit. And anyone who thinks so either doesn't understand or is willfully stupid. There is no alternative.
This is why direct democracy doesn't work - few people actually think about society like this or even understand this, and so they vote based upon nebulous and ridiculous promises from career politicians who themselves are incompetent.
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