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RE: Arrogant, Entitled, Cry-Baby, and Coward - 9/13/2016 8:52:22 AM   
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I don't have a problem with Kaepernick or his protest... I DO have a problem with the NFL considering fining players who wore 9/11 tribute shoes.

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RE: Arrogant, Entitled, Cry-Baby, and Coward - 9/13/2016 8:54:40 AM   
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Take their pansy asses out of football gear and put them in a uniform that matters and then, put their asses in the hottest, dirtiest, most dangerous duty assignment presently available for as long as it takes for them to learn what sacrifices were made for their fucking rights.


Well shit, why not just send them to a Siberian gulag?

I repeat: they are not constitutionally protected if their employers can penalize them, nobody died for Kaepernick's rights (he doesn't have any) They died for misbegotten foreign military interventions during the last 70 years. And all that pregame patriotism is bullshit paid for by the DOD.

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RE: Arrogant, Entitled, Cry-Baby, and Coward - 9/13/2016 8:55:25 AM   
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Status: offline 		I don't really understand the thread - what happened with the twin towers sickening but what relevance does it have to that American footballer...

For perspective ( I see mnottertail has also did this) I was reading this and that the other day and it said since 911
904 UK national and soldiers were killed
>5000 Chicago were gunned down with their boomsticks in that time period and I seem to recall that number exceeding the loss of American troops in Iraq and Afghanistan

But as this is about some NFL dude and some of his team now - They have the right, everyone has that right

Does America & the UK have a race/sectarian/homophobic problem - how do I quantify that as a problem. Well I would use the 90% rule for something like that.

Ah who watched the Celtic versus Rangers game over the weekend a marvellous spectacle and who can forget the Celtic ( I support them) and Die hun scum banners of some of their supporters and the rubber sex doll effigies x 2 dangling from the stand resplendid in rangers scarf - rangers supporters are no better. But should I make my stand against those two rat packs of wretched animals? Underneath a banner reading, 'This is it Bhoys, this is war', two blow-up dolls - one wearing a Rangers scarf, the other an Orange sash - with nooses wrapped round their necks and arms tied behind their backs were strung up from the upper tier.



I usually make a stand at anything short of 50% - so to that end I thought the player was an asshole, and do they still have affirmative action - I view that as racist myself.

Although the figures are hard to come by, as I have said before, there does seem a disparity in how many savage darkies the American Police death squads gun down but from a perspective point of view a drop in a vast ocean


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RE: Arrogant, Entitled, Cry-Baby, and Coward - 9/13/2016 9:06:08 AM   
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Oh, deary-dear ...

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I disagree with Michael and everyone else who has agreed with his comments.

Kaepernick can in fact be punished by the NFL for his actions. Consequently he is NOT protected by the Constitution.



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As a result of the behavior of Colin Kaepernik and the NFL, what I would normally do is not a viable option.

Kaepernik, that entitled, little pussy has decided that since his career is circling the bowl, he needs to make a name in some other way.

Please notice that I linked two things. I absolutely believe that Colin Kaepernik has a constitutional right to protest and speak his mind. Part of my issue is the lack of response from the NFL.

While the first amendment ensures that the arrogant cry-baby can express himself in almost any way he likes and be protected from government action, nothing says that his employer cannot take some kind of action. I'm reminded of all the sponsors that left the Rush Limbaugh Show, when he used a slur to describe that liar from Georgetown University. Also, Whoopie Goldberg lost her gig with Weight Watchers when video of her being vulgar involving the last name of a sitting president surfaced.

I supported both of those incidents citing that nothing in the constitution guarantees anyone a job. In fact, the only guarantee of continued employment is making and keeping one's boss happy.



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So, it would appear that you DO agree with me, but you ...

A) Lack the reading comprehension skills to see that

or

B) You just need people to think I was espousing an opinion I didn't espouse.

I wonder which is accurate, but more importantly: I wonder why the second option might be the case. It doesn't matter. It's ignorance, either intentional or natural.



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RE: Arrogant, Entitled, Cry-Baby, and Coward - 9/13/2016 9:07:25 AM   
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I don't have a problem with Kaepernick or his protest... I DO have a problem with the NFL considering fining players who wore 9/11 tribute shoes.



That, sir, is a truth fact!



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RE: Arrogant, Entitled, Cry-Baby, and Coward - 9/13/2016 9:09:58 AM   
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Status: offline 		I see lost opportunity…I see demonstrations that separate people rather than bring them together…I see no problem solved by demonstrations based on hate and disrespect.

How have these types of demonstrations helped the problems of black America?

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RE: Arrogant, Entitled, Cry-Baby, and Coward - 9/13/2016 9:15:53 AM   
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I see lost opportunity…I see demonstrations that separate people rather than bring them together…I see no problem solved by demonstrations based on hate and disrespect.

Butch



I agree, whole-heartedly. It's why I mentioned the Seattle Seachickens and the two players who reserved their protest until immediately after the anthem.

Any healthy democracy (even a democratic republic) needs dissenting voices to ensure on-going conversation and a balance to tyranny.



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RE: Arrogant, Entitled, Cry-Baby, and Coward - 9/13/2016 9:18:16 AM   
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I disagree with Michael and everyone else who has agreed with his comments.

Kaepernick can in fact be punished by the NFL for his actions. Consequently he is NOT protected by the Constitution.

The NFL could suspend him, i think. Give a thought to the overwhelming number of black players in the league. Can you imagine their reaction to such a penalty? The NFL would be rubbing salt into the grievances felt by many in the black communities over the shootings that have taken place.

The notion that Kaepernick has disrespected the troops who died for our freedoms to speak out is bogus. I see no circumstance in the last 70 years where this country was in existential jeopardy. According to reports in the media all of that patriotism before NFL games was purchased by the DOD. It is all about propaganda and manufacturing our consent to enable the ever growing DOD budget. It is a manufactured patriotism.


As a veteran, I do not really care what he does. Yep, he can protest however he wants.

As a taxpayer, if the NFL is going to continue with their political statements and allowing them, I want their tax exempt status taken away.

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RE: Arrogant, Entitled, Cry-Baby, and Coward - 9/13/2016 9:20:28 AM   
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As a taxpayer, if the NFL is going to continue with their political statements and allowing them, I want their tax exempt status taken away.



I know they're protected from anti-trust actions, but they're tax-exempt? I wasn't aware of that.



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RE: Arrogant, Entitled, Cry-Baby, and Coward - 9/13/2016 9:22:09 AM   
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As a taxpayer, if the NFL is going to continue with their political statements and allowing them, I want their tax exempt status taken away.



I know they're protected from anti-trust actions, but they're tax-exempt? I wasn't aware of that.



Michael


The NFL is, yes. And most, if not all, of their stadiums are tax-payer funded.


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RE: Arrogant, Entitled, Cry-Baby, and Coward - 9/13/2016 9:24:49 AM   
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So, I was a little pissed off at Kaepernik, but I am really enraged by the feckless response of the NFL. Remember, this is a company that was charging the U.S. Military (that's pronounced: "we taxpayers" for those of you in Poughkeepsie) to "honor" veterans on Sundays.
Michael[/color]


It was the DOD that approached the NFL for that cheap advertising. Or are you trying to say that the NFL actually stomped into the Pentagon and bullied it out of them? "We tax payers" paid less than half of what Bud Light or Miller Lite or Dodge Ram paid for their adverts. At least theirs is an honest straight-up propaganda, unlike the military, which shamelessly cons 17-20 yr. olds who aren't sure of their position in life at the time by false pretense of "fighting for country" when in fact the military has done NOT ONE THING for US citizens since 1945, but have done EVERYTHING for no one but US corporations thereafter.

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RE: Arrogant, Entitled, Cry-Baby, and Coward - 9/13/2016 9:25:10 AM   
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but they're tax-exempt? I wasn't aware of that.

http://www.snopes.com/politics/taxes/nflexempt.asp

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RE: Arrogant, Entitled, Cry-Baby, and Coward - 9/13/2016 9:52:07 AM   
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Status: offline 		There's this, too;

Why the NFL decided to start paying taxes

In any case, as both articles pointed out, the individual teams, who collectively (or any one of them, in fact) make far more than the league office, have always paid full taxes every year.

But the NFL are just the worst of anti-patriots because the DOD shoves money in their face to allow them to do fighter jet fly overs on game day, n'est-ce pas?

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RE: Arrogant, Entitled, Cry-Baby, and Coward - 9/13/2016 10:23:59 AM   
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Why are they playing the Natl Anthem at a sporting event in the first place? Sports are merely a form of entertainment, and enforced patriotism belongs in an entertainment venue even less than it does in the classroom.


Winner Winner! Chicken dinner!

Etc.

One would think that an anthem might should posses the national/cultural cache of being invoked only for national ceremonies. As to be played (with a singer or singers up to the task) on events like Veteran's Day, Labor Day, The Fourth of July, etc.

But nooo. Our 'National Anthem' in effect is a doormat to sporting events, something to wipe your cultural feet on, before sitting down to watch large guys slam into each other at full speed, while downing beers and barfing up the hotdogs you ate in the first half (Steelers or Eagles fans, any case).

Why is ANYONE, player or fan, 'required' to "demonstrate patriotism" at such low-brow events?

I don't mean to be disparaging or dismissive in that last remark. I've gotten to know a very few NBA guys and from my limited experience, they are super cool fellas.

But what? Is somebody saying that the NFL pays large sums for big guys to slam into each other at full speed too?

I might have to check that out.



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RE: Arrogant, Entitled, Cry-Baby, and Coward - 9/13/2016 11:17:37 AM   
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The notion that Kaepernick has disrespected the troops who died for our freedoms to speak out is bogus.

Not to mention that his right to protest in his chosen manner is one of those rights that the soldiers were supposed to have fought and died to protect.

He has the right to o it, that doesn't mean he is right to do it.
I still think it is a ploy to protect his 16 million a year, not out of his concern for the alleged "bodies stacking up in the streets".


Apparently, you are unaware of the difference between minimally guaranteed NFL contracts as opposed to the fully guaranteed contracts of the NBA or MLB.

Just how the fuck is this a 'ploy' to "protect" his contract?

Are you saying that San Francisco would have dumped him on the street yesterday if only he hadn't sat on the bench during the national anthem, but by that action alone they now are forced to keep him? Are you saying that he did this to increase his market value to other teams?

I'm not even going to ask why the biggest dumbfucks in the world are so intent on and so eager to display themselves as just that.

I think there's a "self explanatory" clause in there somewhere.

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RE: Arrogant, Entitled, Cry-Baby, and Coward - 9/13/2016 11:52:09 AM   
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I still think it is a ploy to protect his 16 million a year, not out of his concern for the alleged "bodies stacking up in the streets".

Could be, but I don't see how.

He lost his starting position on the team. before he started this.
Now he gets starters pay for sitting on the bench. Even without caps it makes no sense to pay a backup that much.
Now if he gets cut or they try to re-negotiate his contact he screams that they are picking on him for taking a stand. Then he counts on the other black players in the union topretend that's what happened and back him.

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RE: Arrogant, Entitled, Cry-Baby, and Coward - 9/13/2016 11:54:17 AM   
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I don't have a problem with Kaepernick or his protest... I DO have a problem with the NFL considering fining players who wore 9/11 tribute shoes.

Same here, if you attack the country it is your right, if you support it you get fined.

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RE: Arrogant, Entitled, Cry-Baby, and Coward - 9/13/2016 12:00:32 PM   
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The notion that Kaepernick has disrespected the troops who died for our freedoms to speak out is bogus.

Not to mention that his right to protest in his chosen manner is one of those rights that the soldiers were supposed to have fought and died to protect.

He has the right to o it, that doesn't mean he is right to do it.
I still think it is a ploy to protect his 16 million a year, not out of his concern for the alleged "bodies stacking up in the streets".


Apparently, you are unaware of the difference between minimally guaranteed NFL contracts as opposed to the fully guaranteed contracts of the NBA or MLB.

Just how the fuck is this a 'ploy' to "protect" his contract?

Are you saying that San Francisco would have dumped him on the street yesterday if only he hadn't sat on the bench during the national anthem, but by that action alone they now are forced to keep him? Are you saying that he did this to increase his market value to other teams?

I'm not even going to ask why the biggest dumbfucks in the world are so intent on and so eager to display themselves as just that.

I think there's a "self explanatory" clause in there somewhere.


I am saying that his days as a player are numbered.
I am saying that this is a scam to extend his payday or make him a martyr.


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RE: Arrogant, Entitled, Cry-Baby, and Coward - 9/13/2016 12:22:08 PM   
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Oh, and with the multitude of things that 'black players' could have pulled the race card on many times before, it's only for Kaepernick that they would do that just now?

You are ten times more stupid than I initially thought.

The 49ers would take a cap hit of ~ $16 million if they dumped him this season. It would be ~$4.6 million if they did it next year, which they were/are likely to do in any case, having zilch and nada to do with his seating arrangements during the national anthem.

Again, how is Kaeps' actions increasing his market value? And please, for your own sake, just STFU about 'black players' backing him in the event SF cuts him loose. 1,000 players get cut after training camp, every year.

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RE: Arrogant, Entitled, Cry-Baby, and Coward - 9/13/2016 12:22:49 PM   
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Same here, if you attack the country it is your right, if you support it you get fined.

Wearing special shoes is supporting your country? Dafuq you say.
I suspect the issue with the shoes is the manufacturer didn't pay the NFL for the product placement, that's why they were disallowed.

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