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RE: Does Israel have the RIGHT to deploy over this? - 7/22/2006 6:52:21 PM   
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Have a good evening.   Been nice chatting with you.  

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RE: Does Israel have the RIGHT to deploy over this? - 7/22/2006 7:08:41 PM   
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Fast reply to the thread heading:

I don't have all the intell the Israelies do. I just wish to hell both sides would leave Lebanon alone so it can get back to being a beautiful country


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RE: Does Israel have the RIGHT to deploy over this? - 7/22/2006 7:09:31 PM   
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Ken, to say Meatcleaver runs off when the going gets tough is to show you don't know him. He'll slog shit with the best of them.
 
And Crock, you make some good points, but your repeated use of "stupid" isn't the best way to help your side along.

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RE: Does Israel have the RIGHT to deploy over this? - 7/22/2006 7:11:20 PM   
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ORIGINAL: IronBear

Fast reply to the thread heading:

I don't have all the intell the Israelies do. I just wish to hell both sides would leave Lebanon alone so it can get back to being a beautiful country



Well said, IB. Hell, I don't know; hezzbollah has quite a bit of support there, it seems, but I have to believe that even some of their supporters would like them gone if it meant peace.

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RE: Does Israel have the RIGHT to deploy over this? - 7/22/2006 7:17:03 PM   
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And you guys that wave with the stripe flag, those strips doesn´t impress on the the rest of the world anymore. We have already turned our heads away.
you need a new flag.

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RE: Does Israel have the RIGHT to deploy over this? - 7/22/2006 7:18:08 PM   
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And you guys that wave with the stripe flag, those strips doesn´t impress on the the rest of the world anymore. We have already turn our heads away.
you need a new flag.



Really? I would have thought you need a new head.......... huh.

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RE: Does Israel have the RIGHT to deploy over this? - 7/22/2006 7:27:07 PM   
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As Usa dont hardly dont have any independet news channels. Your CNN and Foxnews that  runs the information flow in your country is exactly the same shit as what tass did. we have 20 newchannels from all alround theworld and you have pretty much 2 that are runed by commercial interest, how the fuck can people on usa get a deasant opinion about what is real.
Your idea about market economy will in the end be your doom, as you have have all been borned in that system and have no clue.
You just dont have got it where the world is today and how you are percieved by the rest of the 3.8 bililon people in this world. your opinions is based on the same information flow as any other dictatorship.

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RE: Does Israel have the RIGHT to deploy over this? - 7/22/2006 7:32:53 PM   
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ORIGINAL: irishbynature

Let's stop for a second and consider the reasons behind Israel's recent deployment, bombings, etc....

The confrontation began July 12 with a Hezbollah's raid inside Israel in which two Isreali soldiers were captured.....EDIT: 
the day before the kidnapping of the soldiers, Israel kidnapped two Palestinians (And here we are now, July 22) Since then:
LEBANON:
At least 372 have been killed and 1,482 wounded, according to Lebanese security officials. Among them are 20 Lebanese army soldiers and at least eight Hezbollah guerrillas. Among the civilian deaths are 8 Canadians, 2 Kuwaiti nationals, 1 Iraqi, 1 Sri Lankan, 1 Jordanian. Among the latest deaths Saturday: • Two Hezbollah guerrillas in clashes at border. • One in strike on Lebanese Broadcasting Corp.'s transmission center in Fatqa, northeast of Beirut. • Two in strike in southern village of Kafra. IN ISRAEL: 34 Israelis have been killed, including 19 members of the miltary, according to authorities. More than nine soldiers have been wounded, and 231 civilians, according to rescue officials.

Did Israel go too far? Deploying and bombing over 2 soliders captured is worth the price of what's happening now?


Consider....
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I think you should get all that facts in there before you make the post
quote:

The fighting was sparked by Hezbollah's July 12 capture of two Israeli soldiers and the killing of eight others in a cross-border raid. A massive Israeli offensive followed and Hezbollah responded by firing hundreds of rockets at Israel. 


Also this is what the leader of hezbollah wants so he can be the next hero to terriost.

quote:

Hezbollah leader Sheik Hassan Nasrallah acknowledges that Israeli troops can sweep across south Lebanon. But if he and his militants can survive and keep fighting, he will cement his image as the unlikely new hero of Arab nationalism.


So in my eyes if he didn't provoke them into attacking this time they would of the next time.

Edit to add this is where I got the quotes from so you can believe them or not depending on how you feel about this new source  The Associated Press.

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RE: Does Israel have the RIGHT to deploy over this? - 7/22/2006 7:32:54 PM   
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As Usa dont hardly dont have any independet news channels. Your CNN and Foxnews that  runs the information flow in your country is exactly the same shit as what tass did. we have 20 newchannels from all alround theworld and you have pretty much 2 that are runed by commercial interest, how the fuck can people on usa get a deasant opinion about what is real.
Your idea about market economy will in the end be your doom, as you have have all been borned in that system and have no clue.
You just dont have got it where the world is today and how you are percieved by the rest of the 3.8 bililon people in this world. you opinions is based on the same information flow as any other dictatorship.


You may want to do a check on your info sources; they've evidently shorted you some 2 billion people, give or take a couple million.

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RE: Does Israel have the RIGHT to deploy over this? - 7/22/2006 7:37:23 PM   
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Well, then let´s say...how you are percived by the rest of the world.
If you are curious, check in on BBC World, if you have it on your cable, or buy Die Welt when you are at the airport.

btw BBC World are going to start a new news channel in usa for americans as BBC consider american news crap.

Maybe that could be a start for the new generation of usa.
We need you and you need us.

we have always listened to you but now things have gone too far.
you have never liststed to any other country, I am sorry to say but western world is not one thing anymore.

You guys are alone now.

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RE: Does Israel have the RIGHT to deploy over this? - 7/22/2006 7:41:59 PM   
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iam4her, I do watch CNN and Fox, I also listen to and read from the BBC site, the TimesOnline, Yahoo news, The Economist, and on odd occasions, Aljazeera. You have never spoken to me, but you looked at my avatar and made an assumption that I was some ill-informed fool.
 
Assuming such things are seldom advisable.

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RE: Does Israel have the RIGHT to deploy over this? - 7/22/2006 7:57:46 PM   
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yes it is but it  might also be a clue for you how dangerous it is to wave with a american flag in internet.
that flag is a symbol for something bad for the rest of the world.

Level, i do admit that  i can be prejudgious about this, and who nows if you and me would meet in reality we could could  have hell of a good time over a couple of beers, but hey hey hey...you have no idea how bad the symbol of that flag is to the rest of the world.

Imgaine 50 years of your foreign poiltics, how that have humilited people from all around the world,  american companies that have had no clue about the cultures in europe and the arabic world that have pretty much raped us, and our goverments.
This is just pure facts. The world is feed up.
There are tons of fantastic people living in your countries and i have many american friends, but someone must stop that incerdible bad foreign poltics that your country and your company have done over the last 50 years.

Yes we have all contributed good and bad stuff the the world, even USA , but there are...just...way way way too much bad stuff now from your country now.

My adivse is that you should keep what you like in your own country, and when any of you in your country acts , in any way, outside your borders, you MUST MUST MUST start to listen.

If you dont, your country will self die.

Which is sad in the long run as there are so many things that the anglo english countries have in common, which should  be the community.

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RE: Does Israel have the RIGHT to deploy over this? - 7/22/2006 8:06:00 PM   
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ORIGINAL: iam4her

yes it is but it  might also be a clue for you how dangerous it is to wave with a american flag in internet.
that flag is a symbol for something bad for the rest of the world.

Level, i do admit that  i can be prejudgious about this, and who nows if you and me would meet in reality we could could  have hell of a good time over a couple of beers, but hey hey hey...you have no idea how bad the symbol of that flag is to the rest of the world.

Imgaine 50 years of your foreign poiltics, how that have humilited people from all around the world,  american companies that have had no clue about the cultures in europe and the arabic world that have pretty much raped us, and our goverments.
This is just pure facts. The world is feed up.
There are tons of fantastic people living in your countries and i have many american friends, but someone must stop that incerdible bad foreign poltics that your country and your company have done over the last 50 years.

Yes we have all contributed good and bad stuff the the world, even USA , but there are...just...way way way too much bad stuff now from your country now.

My adivse is that you should keep what you like in your own country, and when any of you in your country acts , in any way, outside your borders, you MUST MUST MUST start to listen.

If you dont, your country will self die.

Which is sad in the long run as there are so many things that the anglo english countries have in common, which should  be the community.



I for one am not ashamed to be proud of the American flag.  I am proud to be an American and I would hope others are proud of there countrys but if there not, it wont make me stop being PROUD to be an American and PROUD of our flag.

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RE: Does Israel have the RIGHT to deploy over this? - 7/22/2006 8:14:13 PM   
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yes it is but it  might also be a clue for you how dangerous it is to wave with a american flag in internet.
that flag is a symbol for something bad for the rest of the world.

Level, i do admit that  i can be prejudgious about this, and who nows if you and me would meet in reality we could could  have hell of a good time over a couple of beers, but hey hey hey...you have no idea how bad the symbol of that flag is to the rest of the world.

Imgaine 50 years of your foreign poiltics, how that have humilited people from all around the world,  american companies that have had no clue about the cultures in europe and the arabic world that have pretty much raped us, and our goverments.
This is just pure facts. The world is feed up.
There are tons of fantastic people living in your countries and i have many american friends, but someone must stop that incerdible bad foreign poltics that your country and your company have done over the last 50 years.

Yes we have all contributed good and bad stuff the the world, even USA , but there are...just...way way way too much bad stuff now from your country now.

My adivse is that you should keep what you like in your own country, and when any of you in your country acts , in any way, outside your borders, you MUST MUST MUST start to listen.

If you dont, your country will self die.

Which is sad in the long run as there are so many things that the anglo english countries have in common, which should  be the community.



There is good and bad in every country. America has contributed greatly to the world, and we've done some things wrong. As Wayward said, I'm proud to be an American.

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RE: Does Israel have the RIGHT to deploy over this? - 7/22/2006 8:27:51 PM   
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ORIGINAL: iam4her

Imgaine 50 years of your foreign poiltics, how that have humilited people from all around the world,


I see the claim that "America has humiliated us/people" often, but I've never quite understood how. I will agree that America has at times been a bully, and supported governments whom should not have been supported, but that is humiliating us (Americans) for being short sighted, stupid, corrupt, etc.

So can you, or anyone explain how we are humiliating you? I honestly want to know.

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RE: Does Israel have the RIGHT to deploy over this? - 7/22/2006 9:18:07 PM   
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yes israel has all the justaficatiion for its actions and much more

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RE: Does Israel have the RIGHT to deploy over this? - 7/22/2006 9:22:29 PM   
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i haven't read this whole thread, but in response to the op, hezbollah has also been launching bombing raids inside northern israel for a couple weeks now (since, i think, shortly before israel retaliated and began bombing lebanon). this bit of news is something i had a hard time finding on cnn and usatoday when the situation first blew up; i only knew about it because friends of mine happen to live in the area that was being bombed.

so despite the fact that the main reason israel is deploying over this might be because of their soldiers that were kidnapped, that does not mean that hezbollah wasn't doing a bit of bombing of its own - beforehand.

that said, i'm not really truly sympathetic to either side, or perhaps that's just because i'm sympathetic to both; i think the whole situation sucks.


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RE: Does Israel have the RIGHT to deploy over this? - 7/22/2006 11:25:29 PM   
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I do understand the point the guy from Sweden is making. 

I guess anyone who isn't American isn't likely to understand what the U.S. flag means when flown on US soil.

But equally unless you're not an American, you can't understand why it's disliked outside U.S. borders.  Which probably explains why so many Americans put it down to "jealousy" because that's easier to live with.

As weird as it may seem, most nations outside of America see your flag as the symbol of.......I'm trying to post as honestly as I can..... an international bully.  I hope that doesn't across as offensive, it's genuinely not meant to be.  Especially as my own country practically invented international bullying.

It's just the difference of "outside looking in" and "inside looking out"

There's a great song by Morrissey called "America is not the world", I won't post the lyrics because of copyright but you can find them from a Google search.

As for Israel, no they do not have the right to destroy another country's infrastructure and practically strangle it to death.  Nor do opponents of Israel have the right to fire endless streams of rockets into Northern Israel. 

As far as I can see, there should have been a negotiated release of people kidnapped from Israel (and BY Israel too).  The sad fact is that if Hezbollah had Israel's firepower, you wouldn't get restraint from them either.

They're all as bad as each other, pointing fingers and saying "they started it"

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RE: Does Israel have the RIGHT to deploy over this? - 7/23/2006 12:20:00 AM   
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ORIGINAL: KenDckey

Hey Crock   Haven't you figured it out yet?   Meat only reads the quotes and facts and figures.   What I think is that if it is in print, that must make it gospel for him. course that is only my opinion - which I haven't found much of from him only those silly quotes and other out of context stats


Why are meatcleaver's posted quotes "silly", Ken?  He didn't speak those words, he merely relayed them to the board.  If you disagree with the quotes (something I find hard to believe you COULD do), then post up why.

Saying "you're silly" is a pretty poor debating standpoint.

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ORIGINAL: cr0ckdile

When you cant argue, just paste quotes from questionable sources.

Shouldn't you be getting to bed now, meatcleaver?



Don't you really mean "Damn, those quotes just shot me down in flames and I have no convincing way of refuting what was said in them" ?

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RE: Does Israel have the RIGHT to deploy over this? - 7/23/2006 3:09:42 AM   
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do any of you people actually know anyone who lives in israel? I lived there with my cousins and uncle and great uncle for three and a half years. My cousins currently serve in the Israeli Defense Forces, on active duty. It's the constant global pissing match that fuels the fires on both sides. 98 percent of the islamic population of the middle east and 98 percent of the jewish population of the middle east just want the radicals on both sides to leave them the hell alone. Then someone lobs a rocket, or fires a missile or whatever, and this is what happens. You people need to shut the hell up and let them take care of their own problems instead of judging them and dissecting everything. The whole media concept of "if it bleeds it leads" has created a ton of bloodshed over there, and you people are feeding RIGHT into it. 


In a later post you said I conveniently didn't reply to this post. I was so busy replying to other posts I missed it so I will answer it now.

I know someone very close to me (who died some years ago) who was forced to leave his home with his wife and two young children at gunpoint in 1948 and told if he returned the only place he would be going is to the funeral of him and his family.

I have been to Israel twice, in 1972 and in the early eighties. It made me realise why there is terrorism and that is because of how Palestians are treated.

On my eldest daughter's mother's side she has several Jewish relatives, not Israelis and when I have spoken to them, which is not very often, they have shown despair over Israel's way of dealing with terrorism, thinking all it does is create more terrorists that are more fanatical than the last ones.

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