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RE: My masters instructions have left me full of anxiety - 10/6/2016 4:01:13 PM

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ah yeah no, not the people I work with, play time meaning playing candy crush, and looking online at stuff and even listening to music on their phones

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RE: My masters instructions have left me full of anxiety - 10/6/2016 4:09:55 PM

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If there wasn't a reply, it meant we were busy.

^this. To me, a person has the ability not to respond. Giving rules out to anyone as to when they can send messages when you have the capability of silencing your phone or the persons notification it way to trying to micromanage the world lol. If I can't get messages I just ignore the until I have time. Now if someone calls me I'll pick up because everyone I know is too damn lazy to call so if they do call I know it's important.

I check facebook and even here while working. I listen to my music as well. But I still bill 250+ hours a month.

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RE: My masters instructions have left me full of anxiety - 10/6/2016 4:56:23 PM

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I check facebook and even here while working. I listen to my music as well. But I still bill 250+ hours a month.

So you defraud your employer, good for you

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RE: My masters instructions have left me full of anxiety - 10/6/2016 5:14:19 PM

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I check facebook and even here while working. I listen to my music as well.

The company I worked for blocked a lot of websites - Facebook, Perez Hilton, etc.

Listening to music just wasn't feasible with the amount of time we spent on the phone.

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RE: My masters instructions have left me full of anxiety - 10/6/2016 6:04:56 PM

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I check facebook and even here while working. I listen to my music as well. But I still bill 250+ hours a month.

So you defraud your employer, good for you

Please tell me how I am defrauding my employer? I am supposed to work 7.5 hours a day 5 days a week. I bill over 250+ hours and that's just on what I bill in a month-- it doesn't not include time/work I do I can't bill for.
Do the math and please tell me how I am defrauding my employer. Here i'll do it for you -- 250 hours a month and that on the low end, divided by 20 days equals over 12.5 hours I BILL every day, again, this doesn't include what I don't bill for.

And before you sanctimoniously tell me how I am defrauding my employer -- I am salaried. I don't get paid overtime for anything over 40 hours a week I work. However, my employer gets paid $100 per hour of my billable time, and I damn well don't make that in an hour.

Again, please explain how I defraud my employer and don't give them the 7.5 hours a day I am supposed to work.

Good grief.

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RE: My masters instructions have left me full of anxiety - 10/6/2016 6:06:59 PM

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You are not paid to check facebook and CS, yet you do that and bill them for your time while doing it, thus fraud. Doesn't matter if you like it or not, it's the facts.

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RE: My masters instructions have left me full of anxiety - 10/6/2016 6:15:26 PM

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WTF are you talking about -- I DO NOT bill for time I don't do the work. Who the fuck are you to say that.

You do know what billable time is don't you -- you bill for the time you put in doing the project. You don't bill for anything else.

Seriously fuck you. I don't know what YOUR job is like but mine -- I start getting texts and emails at 5 a.m. that I respond to MANY TIMES I don't bill the clients for same. Then I get up and get to work by 9:30 or 10 - all the while fielding calls, texts and emails from clients or my boss. by the time I GET to work I have already more than likely worked 3-4 hours. Sorry but some people don't clock hours worked at the time you actually spend sitting your happy ass at a desk or clocked in. I AM ALWAYS clocked in. Then I start my work "day," working I projects I bill for, doing work I don't bill for. Rarely if ever do I take a lunch though we are entitled to an hour. I also don't take breaks in the factory 15 minutes type. I do throughout the day check facebook or here, or shop for Christmas presents or message with a friend. This is BETWEEN working my ass off on projects and my job. Then around 6-8 I decide to go home. And guess what, when I go home, I have a briefcase of additional work I will do after I get home.

So seriously fuck you. I make my company a hell of a lot of money while I work my ass off at a salary that I don't get overtime.

Oh and none of this includes the emails I check at 2 or 3 am and respond to.

you owe me a serious apology for running your mouth and pretty accusing me of something that is insulting and incorrect. You may work a 9-5 job or whatever and get paid for overtime and yeah, you doing that I would say you are defrauding the employer, I put in my 7.5 hours every damn day plus a hell of a lot more I don't get paid for -- don't you DARE sit there and tell me I defraud my employer. MY WORK DAY covers the whole day NOT just the time I am physically at work. So GEOGRAPHY doesn't define my work day - the work I actually BILL for and don't bill for and the time it takes to complete that is what defines my work day.

God you disgust me. I have integrity -- you obviously don't with your comments. Let's see if your integrity will have you apologizing for your crap.

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RE: My masters instructions have left me full of anxiety - 10/6/2016 6:26:29 PM

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Yeah sure

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RE: My masters instructions have left me full of anxiety - 10/6/2016 6:45:15 PM

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What that's all you got now? You were freely running your mouth before showing a lack of integrity.

Dipshit, I am a litigation paralegal in med mal defense. We deal in billable hours. Right now I have 213 cases, in which I do most of the work. The only thing I don't do is go to court but you can bet your sweet ass that many of the written pleadings are my doing. I also do legal assistant work. MOST firms have TEAMS of paralegals and legal assistants who do the amount of work I do. I don't have that luxury. I am not complaining, I enjoy my job except when I want to quit. So when I take 1/2 hour total of my day to do NON WORK stuff during the day, knowing I will be spending 2-3 hours after I get home working on a brief or motion, discovery or summarizing lets see how many does this case I am working on now have -- oh yeah 32 NOTEBOOKS of medical records that equates to approximately 16000 pages of medical records that I summarize. Sorry if you think I am defrauding my employer because during that I take 5 minutes while my eyes bleed to check facebook or some other non-work relate thing or talk to a friend, because my eyes feel like they are bleeding.

Good thing my employer knows my value to them -- even if you lack integrity to recognize that some jobs aren't assholes to their employees who actually make them a lot of money.

So next time you feel like running your mouth on something you obviously DON'T understand, don't.

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RE: My masters instructions have left me full of anxiety - 10/6/2016 9:28:25 PM

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Different jobs and different employers value different things. Taking the same set of workplace expectations from a hospital and applying it to a law firm or vice-versa is just ridiculous. If your employer is ok with it, that's really all that matters. And if you don't agree with your employer's rules, find another job. It's their company, not yours.

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RE: My masters instructions have left me full of anxiety - 10/6/2016 9:34:22 PM

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Exactly -- I'm not trying to compare anything. I said simply I would not work for an employer who had demands that others have suggested.

I don't get employers who baby employees and micromanage because of a few bad seeds. If you don't do your job, talk to them, if they don't improve then fire them. In this day and age there are plenty of people looking for jobs.

There are jobs that need a tighter structure but even then, if they are changing rules to constrict a few who incorrectly apply their time to various things, that still flabbergasts me. Employees are adults not children.

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RE: My masters instructions have left me full of anxiety - 10/7/2016 5:08:01 AM

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ok well it's my fault you are swearing at people, I didn't mean for my story to make people angry.

my boss is a wonderful boss, kind, considerate, helpful and unfortunately some of the employees have taken advantage of it, not all but some. One guy was given many chances, he spent most of the day when he was there on his cell, instead of helping the people he was paid to help, so my boss altered rules for him in hopes that he would actually join in and participate with people, he grumped but he did it. He was finally let go when he called my boss a pieces of shit (his exact words) when he missed every few days because he stayed up all night playing video games, it got to the point where I had to keep track of the days he came in, when he finally decided to get verbally abusive about it, he was fired.

last year we had a female that took advantage of my boss's generosity and decided not to do any work, gave all her duties to all the other staff, mostly me. She is still there but there have been enough complaints that now she has to work or she will be fired and she was also one of the cell phone abusers and a smoker that went out ever twenty minutes for a smoke. I worked in companies where you had one smoke break in the morning, one at lunch, one in the afternoon.

again over abusing my boss' niceness.

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RE: My masters instructions have left me full of anxiety - 10/7/2016 5:39:20 AM

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No you aren't the reason.

See to me, the guy would have been fired period when he didn't do what he was hired to do as the woman would have. To me, employees are adults. You tell them what needs to be done and they get it done. I understand some jobs need a structure do to the nature of the job but to me, changing policy doesn't address the issue. The issue is- they aren't doing their job. I don't believe in forcing people who get the job done within their own decision making process on how to do it, that benefits the company and ultimately themselves, because others are incapable of doing so. I have no patience for people who need to be babied at work to do their job.

I've had people whine because they come to work at 8 and I stroll in around 10. They shut up pretty quickly when they are told how much I bill as well as the time I leave on average is not 4 or 5 but many times 7-9. These same people whine about some people leaving at 2-3, but shut up when they find out they come in at 5-6 am (I think these people aren't real people, so I watch them closesly to see if they eat, drink, if they do alien things, or have psychopathic tendencies!) but I digress lol

i don't conform to the "average" work day, my company gets more productivity from us when they say get it done and people are allowed the freedom of determining how to get it. If people are incapable of getting it done under their own power, the company finds someone who will.

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RE: My masters instructions have left me full of anxiety - 10/7/2016 7:11:08 AM

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some jobs are task-oriented, like yours, and others, like say a dispatcher, are time-orientated. Some are paid for their attentions between specific times, others are evaluated based on the completion of a job. Apples and oranges.

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RE: My masters instructions have left me full of anxiety - 10/7/2016 7:17:50 AM

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Yes it's called doing your job and all jobs are comparable in that regard. If I am with a client I don't check messages or browse online or the like because at that time that's not doing the job. It's not apple and oranges, it's called you do the job and what it requires. If your job means your attention needs to be focuse at a specific time then you focus, if it has more flexibility then you manage your time.

You seem to want to make excuses or pretend I'm saying something different. Adults know what their job is- you do your job whatever that entails. Its not apple and oranges.

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RE: My masters instructions have left me full of anxiety - 10/7/2016 7:42:59 AM

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in my industry it's very hard to get fired, you basically have to do something bad in regards to the people that we help, simply because there is lack of people to do the job, for the most part, they are unfortunately minimum wage workers because most of the bosses will only shell out so much money and keep the rest for the non for profit programs, as a result shoddy workers. However where I work the other staff are getting paid top dollar int he field, I'm the only one that isn't because my job is lesser quality than there's and even though they get more money, some of them still bitch about stuff they have to do, try to give the duties to someone else, even though they get paid good money to do the stuff.

only three people have gotten fired where I work:

1. the one above for misusing his time, picking a fight with my boss and missing every other day.
2. one for stealing a company vehicle
3. the other one for abusing one of the people we help

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RE: My masters instructions have left me full of anxiety - 10/7/2016 8:00:14 AM

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What's sad is that people's work ethic is not what it used to be.

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RE: My masters instructions have left me full of anxiety - 10/7/2016 8:06:41 AM

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Yes it's called doing your job and all jobs are comparable in that regard. If I am with a client I don't check messages or browse online or the like because at that time that's not doing the job. It's not apple and oranges, it's called you do the job and what it requires. If your job means your attention needs to be focuse at a specific time then you focus, if it has more flexibility then you manage your time.

You seem to want to make excuses or pretend I'm saying something different. Adults know what their job is- you do your job whatever that entails. Its not apple and oranges.

You are extremely lucky that you are able to set your own time limits as long as you do your job and it gets done.

Most jobs aren't done like that and many employers have set start/end times.
So just spending even 5 seconds pratting about on your cell doing whatever, is time that they are paying for that you are not concentrating on your job - even if it a situation where you are standing around doing nothing; it is their time you are wasting.

When I worked for Amex under a programmer's contract, I was contracted to work for 35 hours a week.
Most of the other contractors came and went at normal office hours (or very close to it).
I didn't. My contract didn't have strict time limits.
I had a certain job to do and as long as I met certain timeline junctions I figured it didn't matter when I worked.
I made sure I was there for critical meetings but other than that, I spent all day spending money in the pub or down on Brighton Pier, slept when I felt like it and wandered in/out of the Amex offices whenever I felt like it.
Sometimes I was only there for a few hours then buggered off home or down the pub.
Other days I strolled in at lunch time or late afternoon and was still there working my butt off when they came in the following morning.
I often came in at the weekend when the rest of the building was empty.
Some complained about my hours and questioned whether I was doing my fair whack for the extortionate amount I was being paid (about $300/hr).
My timesheets showed I was putting in an average of 60-90 hours a week and the project finished 3 months early and way under budget.

All my other jobs, even in the same field, required me to be at work at a set time and not leave until a set time.
That's how most jobs are; unless you are lucky.
Not all jobs are comparable in that sense.

So it has nothing to do with whether your employer knows your worth or not.
It doesn't matter if you work more hours than you bill them for either.
If you are on their time and fart about with your cell that is unconnected with your work, that is fraud. Plain and simple.

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RE: My masters instructions have left me full of anxiety - 10/7/2016 8:24:08 AM

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Well I like to think it's an even exchange they are lucky to have me as well. As I said I chose who I work for and the conditions I work under because I'm damn good at my job. I've worked for 4 employers in the last 25 years and leaving has always been my choice. I AND my boss constantly get job offers from Attorneys for me. So my boss and I both know my worth and I'm not being arrogant, it is what it is. I bill the hours I do because the work needs to get done. It's that simple.

My boss knows I surf the net, facebook, even shop at Christmas time occasionally - as does she.

I am lucky but I've also done the work to be considered valuable to my employer. I'm not irreplaceable but I'm also not easily replaced.

People work in jobs they chose and if they can't that's on them. Rhe way I do my job, the expectations of mine for my employer and their expectations of me- work for me. Otherwise I wouldn't be working with them.

My career also has a large playing field but is small enough where your reputation gets known. I have a good rep. Because I made it that way.

I think it also should be noted that I Sacrifice a lot because of what I chose to give to my job

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RE: My masters instructions have left me full of anxiety - 10/7/2016 8:32:50 AM

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Some are lucky - as you are and I was on that particular contract.
It didn't usually work out that way for most of the other contacts I had (or as well paid).

Most people don't get to choose what job they do.
At best, they get to choose what field they want to work in.
For the majority, they take whatever thay can get so they can pay their bills and live.
Some aren't even as fortunate as having gainful employment.

I think you are being disingenuous for saying: "People work in jobs they chose and if they can't that's on them".
Most are not as fortunate as you are.