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RE: General Power of Attorney - 9/30/2016 9:49:53 PM   
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aaaaaaah ok so in that case it is can be limited ? I can see that ok, as I said, I wasnt aware.
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My sister has POA with my mum, being 4000 miles away, I'm not aware of what it contains. It isnt a concern.

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RE: General Power of Attorney - 9/30/2016 9:53:22 PM   
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It only makes sense that ofcourse my mind here is a bit weaker than his.

It does?





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RE: General Power of Attorney - 9/30/2016 10:04:24 PM   
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This. This is how you already know you don't want to do this. This is your ultimate power. So hold on to that and don't give it away for nothing.

POAs can be limited, so think carefully about how far you want to go with this. All types need to be notarized to be effective. Depending on your state, other conditions may also apply in order for it to be legal. General POA means he represents you in everything and makes all decisions for you. He is able to legally do all kinds of things in your name and you have no recourse. It is intended for use for persons who are deemed mentally incapacitated. There is no medical reasons that requires him to have a general POA. You can make up a document stating your wishes in a medical situation where you are incapacitated. Normally people use them for DNR orders. Or you can have a limited POA that allows him to make decisions under specific circumstances, within a limited scope defined by the agreement.

It is also possible to set up a trust for you or an account in your name that you cannot access until certain conditions are met. But make sure it is done correctly so that the money is irrevocably yours. You can engage escrow services (you pay someone a fee to guarentee and hold an amount of money that is intended to go to Party A if all conditions of the transaction are met; it's used commonly in real estate) from banks and lawyers/solicitors. If an account is made in anyone's name except yours, there is no obligation to hand the account to you.

Understand that what your gentleman caller is suggesting is very dangerous for you no matter if things go right or wrong. He also does not appear to have any genuine interest in you other than as a piece of meat to abuse. You have to decide for yourself if that is ok.

Edit to add:
TLDR; it's not okay for a Dominant to force a sub into signing anything. That's called coercion. Coerced contracts are unenforceable in the eyes of the law. If you do not genuinely and 200% understand, agree and believe in what you're signing, don't sign it.

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RE: General Power of Attorney - 9/30/2016 10:30:12 PM   
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ORIGINAL: RainbowsandUnico

However, we love who we love and do not choose who we end up feeling submissive towards.



You have choices in who you submit to, you may or may not have the choice on who you fall in love with.

quote:



His charm is beatiful, and I was torn between am i just not being submissive enough, am i not taking the scary leap, am I not submitting in a way I should, or is this crazy?



Stop with the 'not being submissive enough' bullshit and use your head. I'll tell you what, assign me as your POA. Wait... you don't know me? Folks may or may not tell you that I can be charming, witty, and even bright on occasions, although I doubt like hell that anyone on here would sign their POA to me. I've been involved with my girl for over 3 years and she doesn't have me as her POA... and she is as submissive as the day is long.

He is not asking for a limited POA, he is asking for a 'general' one, which could include a medical POA as they are fairly standard for POA's nowadays.

quote:

Fear has kept us from forming a relationship all this time because his expectations have been higher than ...my fear could over come. The quilt I feel from not being submissive enough to be with the man I feel I love is a very real thing. When I postedt his I expected to hear that this isnt the first time anyone has heard of such. Obvouisly I am submissive and not a slave and I feel great guilt for not being able to endure the punishments and pain he expects.

and wants me to understand that if i agree to this deal that while i am tied up being punished that begging and pleading or stating that i do no want this Sir, will not work and he will continue.

I obviously have very very strong fears, and I certainly do not like pain.


He has told you that you cannot get out of doing something that may cause you a great deal of pain. I am a sadist with the best of them, I would never, ever place that restriction on my submissive. My girl has a few health considerations that are necessary for me to take into consideration. Even if she didn't, I still would not cause her undue pain simply because I wished it. I do not, nor am I willing to press anyone that far.

Has he talked about safewords? Has he talked about your tolerance for pain? With my girl, she had never had a BDSM relationship before me, and I took it very slow with her in the pain department. Luckily for me, she enjoys pain, but I have given her the lattitude to tell me to stop if it goes too far.

quote:

I ..just needed some advice.


And you are getting it. Don't freak out. Seriously, slow your roll... what you asked is serious shit and you need to understand that. What you are hearing may not be what you want to hear, but it may well be what you need to hear.

Are you new to being a submissive? Have you ever had a dominant before for any appreciable amount of time? If not, you need to slow down.

quote:

Yes, I am 100 percent crazy or I probably would not want a man to tell me what to eat, and where to place my eyes. I have never ...in my life done the things I will do for this man. Is power exchange more than words? Yes, it would seem so...because I have lost my mind.


OK, time to do a reality check. A lot of folks here have been doing this for decades. We have run into people like you before. Our advice is coming from experience, not only online but face to face.

Your question, for me, threw up two giant red flags. One is the POA which is bizarre, and the second is not allowing you to get out of doing something that he is doing. Both are reckless and irresponsible.

Slow the fuck down. This is your life, your body, and your mind, we are trying to protect. If you choose to dismiss us because he is charming... well, have at it. I have been told I am charming before, and yet I am very careful and, perhaps overly cautious when dealing with someone that interests me. I also doubt that any sub here would use just that to evaluate me.

You are opening up a shitstorm if you do either things he has asked. You want to be homeless or irreparably harmed physically if you commit to what he is asking? None of that shit makes sense... and you seriously should think about why you would ever want to commit to potential financial ruin or physical damage.

I am glad that you found someone that makes you ask these questions. I hate that what he is asking is totally out of line.

I do wish you the very best.





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RE: General Power of Attorney - 9/30/2016 10:33:00 PM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: Gauge


quote:

ORIGINAL: RainbowsandUnico

However, we love who we love and do not choose who we end up feeling submissive towards.



You have choices in who you submit to, you may or may not have the choice on who you fall in love with.

quote:



His charm is beatiful, and I was torn between am i just not being submissive enough, am i not taking the scary leap, am I not submitting in a way I should, or is this crazy?



Stop with the 'not being submissive enough' bullshit and use your head. I'll tell you what, assign me as your POA. Wait... you don't know me? Folks may or may not tell you that I can be charming, witty, and even bright on occasions, although I doubt like hell that anyone on here would sign their POA to me. I've been involved with my girl for over 3 years and she doesn't have me as her POA... and she is as submissive as the day is long.

He is not asking for a limited POA, he is asking for a 'general' one, which could include a medical POA as they are fairly standard for POA's nowadays.

quote:

Fear has kept us from forming a relationship all this time because his expectations have been higher than ...my fear could over come. The quilt I feel from not being submissive enough to be with the man I feel I love is a very real thing. When I postedt his I expected to hear that this isnt the first time anyone has heard of such. Obvouisly I am submissive and not a slave and I feel great guilt for not being able to endure the punishments and pain he expects.


quote:

and wants me to understand that if i agree to this deal that while i am tied up being punished that begging and pleading or stating that i do no want this Sir, will not work and he will continue.

I obviously have very very strong fears, and I certainly do not like pain.


He has told you that you cannot get out of doing something that may cause you a great deal of pain. I am a sadist with the best of them, I would never, ever places that restriction on my submissive. My girl has a few health considerations that are necessary for me to take into consideration. Even if she didn't, I still would not cause her undue pain simply because I wished it. I do not, nor am I willing to press anyone that far.

Has he talked about safewords? Has he talked about your tolerance for pain? With my girl, she had never had a BDSM relationship before me, and I took it very slow with her in the pain department. Luckily for me, she enjoys pain, but I have given her the lattitude to tell me to stop if it goes to far.

quote:

I ..just needed some advice.


And you are getting it. Don't freak out. Seriously, slow your roll... what you asked is serious shit and you need to understand that. What you are hearing may not be what you want to hear, but it may well be what you need to hear.

Are you new to being a submissive? Have you ever had a dominant before for any appreciable amount of time? If not, you need to slow down.

quote:

Yes, I am 100 percent crazy or I probably would not want a man to tell me what to eat, and where to place my eyes. I have never ...in my life done the things I will do for this man. Is power exchange more than words? Yes, it would seem so...because I have lost my mind.


OK, time to do a reality check. A lot of folks here have been doing this for decades. We have run into people like you before. Our advice is coming from experience, not only online but face to face.

Your question, for me, threw up two giant red flags. One is the POA which is bizarre, and the second is not allowing you to get out of doing something that he is doing. Both are reckless and irresponsible.

Slow the fuck down. This is your life, your body, and your mind, we are trying to protect. If you choose to dismiss us because he is charming... well, have at it. I have been told I am charming before, and yet I am very careful and, perhaps overly cautious when dealing with someone that interests me. I also doubt that any sub here would use just that to evaluate me.

You are opening up a shitstorm if you do either things he has asked. You want to be homeless or irreparably harmed physically if you commit to what he is asking? None of that shit makes sense... and you seriously should think about why you would ever want to commit to potential financial ruin or physical damage.

I am glad that you found someone that makes you ask these questions. I hate that what he is asking is totally out of line.

I do wish you the very best.





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RE: General Power of Attorney - 9/30/2016 10:37:00 PM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: Lovelyness

I seek advice

I am a 29 F submissive that has been on and off of collarme/collarspace for the last 9 years.
About 6 years ago I fell in love with a Master from this site our communication has continued on and off since then through daily emails, texting. We have met maybe 4 times in RL due to being multiple states away and both of is having relationships on and off throughout these years.
fast forward til now.
He seeks for me to sign a general power of attorney, and surrender all of my belonging to be sold, which he states the proceeds will be placed in a separate account only I have access to in the event we don't work out. I have been told his training he expects to be 4 to 5 months long.

and wants me to understand that if i agree to this deal that while i am tied up being punished that begging and pleading or stating that i do no want this Sir, will not work and he will continue.

I obviously have very very strong fears, and I certainly do not like pain.

I guess my question is.

Can this be real life and be safe?
Am I insane for considering it?





Aw man and here I thought this was going to require some serious brain grinding. I have Dommes try that on me all the time and you should see some of the poas they come up with, I have to laugh.

Anyway your guy is is not qualified to master himself much less you. Think about this, his whole approach is bassackwards.

Sell your assets, then train you, then if you get along?...... No matter how much you love him that approach should strike you as a few cards short of a full deck? You might be in love but dont let that blind you.

If he has about the same amount of assets you do then tell him to marry you if he wants poa! smirk :)

Get married so his ass is on the line too :)

Do your training gig, live togther, see if you still love him, then if it all looks good great otherwise divorce him. Tell him that next time you see him in person and see how he reacts (smirk) See how serious he really is.

Oh and dont run out and do it but come back and tell us what happened, I got a 6er says he burns rubber otta there.



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RE: General Power of Attorney - 9/30/2016 10:39:56 PM   
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ORIGINAL: OsideGirl

See? Smart and cute!


***digs toe into sand***

Awww shucks.


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RE: General Power of Attorney - 9/30/2016 10:40:47 PM   
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It's funny that you say that - M considers marriage to be the ultimate form of ownership...but also says that it holds him accountable too.

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RE: General Power of Attorney - 9/30/2016 10:46:46 PM   
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right, I dont believe he is, it sounds to me like he is trying to take advantage of her, in an 'abuse' sort of way. Her problem is he is asking her to trust him and given her no real evidence he is truly trustworthy. I dont hesitate to sign a poa because they are all worthless and if push ever came to shove one short brief for the court and they vaporize, I'm just no fun am I...LOL

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RE: General Power of Attorney - 9/30/2016 10:48:08 PM   
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I'm also going to add that I've read your journal entries and I found them alarming - love shouldn't be painful - submission shouldn't be painful.

If this is what your relationship is like, you need to reevaluate. Regardless of love, you should not have a toxic relationship in your life. You're young and cute, find someone that values you for you.

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RE: General Power of Attorney - 9/30/2016 10:52:03 PM   
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ORIGINAL: Real0ne

one short brief for the court and they vaporize



Not unless the court has a reason to vacate the POA. I went through this already in my life. I had POA for my best friend that died last year, his family tried to take it away, because I was responsible, the court upheld my standing. What may be responsible in the eyes of the court is subjective to the one who is evaluating it.


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RE: General Power of Attorney - 9/30/2016 10:58:08 PM   
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trusts are a little more difficult, but there are a plethora of ways to get out of a poa. When I read them I silently snicker as I count them. I know a poa is supposed to make me feel all submissive n shit but business is business :)


oh and OG, I tried to perv her profile and she isnt here anymore, but I stil had to get my .02 in.





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RE: General Power of Attorney - 9/30/2016 11:03:47 PM   
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OS you will have cmail in a bit.

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RE: General Power of Attorney - 9/30/2016 11:14:19 PM   
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ORIGINAL: Real0ne

trusts are a little more difficult, but there are a plethora of ways to get out of a poa. When I read them I silently snicker as I count them. I know a poa is supposed to make me feel all submissive n shit but business is business :)


oh and OG, I tried to perv her profile and she isnt here anymore, but I stil had to get my .02 in.





The RainbowsandUnicorns profile is still there

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RE: General Power of Attorney - 10/1/2016 12:07:51 AM   
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I read this and all I could think of is...why not just hand him all of the cash in your bank account and save him time.

I agree with what others have said. Major red flag, don't don't do it.

Just because you fall in love with them doesn't make them right for you. He's not right for you.

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RE: General Power of Attorney - 10/1/2016 12:43:20 AM   
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Bit late to the party on this one.
My first reaction to this was:

Who on earth, and really THINK about this... who on earth would really ask for POA just for a submissive???
Really? Honestly???

Put your sensible head back on!!

Get married.
Have him chain you to a wall.
Anything and everything... but POA??? Is this a WUT?


If anyone even contemplated asking for a POA just for a kinky relationship needs to be locked up.
Seriously.
Psychopath in the making.


DON'T EVEN THINK ABOUT IT. RUN FOR THE HILLS!!!!!
And don't look back.


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RE: General Power of Attorney - 10/1/2016 12:58:32 AM   
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Op, what the Hell? You ask everyone's input, and get unanimity that you shouldn't consider it. Then you post from a second profile, stating your intent to ignore all the replies you got.

You could have saved time by simply going ahead without asking for same people's input.

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RE: General Power of Attorney - 10/1/2016 1:53:53 AM   
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when she wakes up one day and reaiizes she lost her Dom, doesnt have a pot to piss in nor window to throw it out of, she will have an aha moment, so she can do it all over again! (and not listen to the next group of people trying to help her out) LOL

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RE: General Power of Attorney - 10/1/2016 2:46:24 AM   
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quote:

when she wakes up one day and reaiizes she lost her Dom, doesnt have a pot to piss in nor window to throw it out of, she will have an aha moment, so she can do it all over again! (and not listen to the next group of people trying to help her out) LOL

Snickers.
Maso is as maso does.

I dunno about all this hooplah. I think, like everything else in fucking life, this depends on the relationship.
If I told mouse I wanted POA, she would sign it over. Fuck, at some point here, she stated that if I wanted to cut off her arms, she would let me, because she knows me and knows I wouldn't do it w/o a terrific reason-that's why she submitted to me in the first place.
So for peeps in solid LTR, this may work out fine. I mean fuck, she fell for him for a variety of reasons, one would hope that among those would be such chracter traits as responsible and trust worthy.

Is it smart? Of course not.
But then, seeing the damage it can do to ones finances, neither is getting married.
Laughs.
When I did finance we used to tell clients the single worst financial decision they make in their lives is tying the knot. Number two is getting divorced.
So this is all relative.

Just saying

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RE: General Power of Attorney - 10/1/2016 4:22:43 AM   
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why would one start a post and then come up with another profile within that post?

tend to agree with whoever came up with subfrenzy. subfrenzy girls are at it again, they need to submit they will do anything that the "Dominant" wants no matter what it costs them.

I knew a girl in subfrenzy once, she took a "Dominant" back to her place, he tied her up, and robbed her blind including her credit cards and bank cards. SubFrenzy! the need to submit with their vaginas is a greater need to listen to your head.

I'm in a position here where someone else can't take control of my money so if a POA and hand over money request was given to me I would tell them bye bye, don't let the door hit you on the way out.

ps I hate it when women seem to think they are supposed to be less smart than Dominants, it really eats me up.

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