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RE: "The Religion of Peace" in action - 10/19/2016 4:54:26 PM

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Islam is not a Christian religion. Islam is a Jewish religion.

I think you guys are just splitting hairs. All Christians believe in the old testament. I mean Jesus doesn't deny that the old testament is real.
To me, they are all following the same religion, same God, with deviation of beliefs.

NO Greta, We are not splitting hairs. The New Testament teachings regarding Jesus ARE THE CORE OF CHRISTIANITY. Just because you choose to interpret it otherwise doesn't make it any less incorrect or ignorant.

In fact, you can reject the Old Testament entirely and still be considered a Christian.

Calling a Jew 'Christian' is offensive to Jews.

Calling a Muslim 'Christian' is offensive to Muslims.

Because they are not.

God, educate yourself a a little.

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RE: "The Religion of Peace" in action - 10/19/2016 4:55:00 PM

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If you had stopped at they all claim the same God there would be no problem.
But they are 3 different religions all worshiping the same entity.

How are they different if they are worshipping the same God? And ALL of them believe in the authenticity of the old testament.
To me, Christianity within themselves, take catholics and protestants for example, simply believe things in a different.
To me, it's all just sub-religions of Christianity as a big umbrella.

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RE: "The Religion of Peace" in action - 10/19/2016 4:55:34 PM

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You can believe in the Old Testament and not be Christian. To be Christian you ALSO have to believe in the New Testament teachings of Christ.

But then Mormons are Christians too but they don't follow Christ.

Wrong again, Mormons do worship Christ, but they consider John Smith to be a later day prophet.

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RE: "The Religion of Peace" in action - 10/19/2016 4:56:35 PM

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A belief in the God of the Old Testament is not Christianity.

Then what do you call fundamental Christians who actually DOES believe in the old testament?

Christians.

You don't understand the New Testament.

Jesus confirmed the existing Judaic law, but acted as the sacrifice to end all sacrifices and created a covenant for the Gentiles as well as the Jews.

The Old Testament is still relevant, inasmuch as it contains the Ten Commandments, the writings of various prophets and so on. The difference is that retributive law was superseded by Jesus' teachings. As an example:

"Ye have heard that it hath been said, An eye for an eye, and a tooth for a tooth: But I say unto you, That ye resist not evil: but whosoever shall smite thee on thy right cheek, turn to him the other also.

And if any man will sue thee at the law, and take away thy coat, let him have thy cloak also.

And whosoever shall compel thee to go a mile, go with him twain."

Judaic law was always explicitly built around the assumption that a price had to be paid for transgression of that law. The significance of the Christ was that he was considered to have paid that price for all previous and future transgressions and thus did away with the concept of retribution as the primary interaction between aggrieved parties.

Islam is just repackaged Judaism with murder and anti-Jewish hatred thrown in as a bonus.

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RE: "The Religion of Peace" in action - 10/19/2016 4:57:45 PM

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Wrong again, Mormons do worship Christ, but they consider John Smith to be a later day prophet.

Mormons practically was formed by Joseph Smith, so they are following the beliefs of Joseph Smiths. That's what make them Mormons. And their prophet simply believe Jesus is the the mythical son of God.
Muslims are following the beliefs of Muhammad who respected Jesus as a prophet of God, but believe the Christians are lying about the mythical part.

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RE: "The Religion of Peace" in action - 10/19/2016 5:00:01 PM

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You can believe in the Old Testament and not be Christian. To be Christian you ALSO have to believe in the New Testament teachings of Christ.

But then Mormons are Christians too but they don't follow Christ.

Wrong again, Mormons do worship Christ, but they consider John Smith to be a later day prophet.

EXACTLY.

Mormons believe Christ is the Messiah. But they follow the teachings of Joseph Smith as an important prophet, just as other Christian religions may give more weight to the teachings of Paul. Other Christian religions do not recognize Smith even as a prophet, but they all recognize Jesus Christ as the Savior.

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RE: "The Religion of Peace" in action - 10/19/2016 5:01:32 PM

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In fact, you can reject the Old Testament entirely and still be considered a Christian.

Of course people can choose to ignore the old testament and choose to only follow the New Testament, but it doesn't invalidate that they are following a man who is the son of the God of the old testament.

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Calling a Muslim 'Christian' is offensive to Muslims.

I know many Muslims who loves to say they are the same religion as Christianity, as they worship the same God and they believe in Jesus. End of the day, Muslims believe in the existence of Jesus, and how he was responsible for spreading God's word, they just disagree on whether Jesus is this mythical being or not.

And to be considered a Christian. You just need to believe Jesus exists. I mean EVEN within Christianity denomination, they disagree what Jesus is. Some say he is God in human form. Some say he is the literal son of God. And Muslims say, he was a prophet sent by God.

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RE: "The Religion of Peace" in action - 10/19/2016 5:07:05 PM

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Wrong again, Mormons do worship Christ, but they consider John Smith to be a later day prophet.

Mormons practically was formed by Joseph Smith, so they are following the beliefs of Joseph Smiths. That's what make them Mormons. And their prophet simply believe Jesus is the the mythical son of God.
Muslims are following the beliefs of Muhammad who respected Jesus as a prophet of God, but believe the Christians are lying about the mythical part.

Mormonism-Joseph Smith is a great prophet, who espoused Jesus as the Son of God.
Other Christian religions (Catholicism, Baptist, Episcopalian, etc) Lost of great prophets (particularly Paul, but no one named Joseph Smith) who espoused Jesus as the son of God.
so...
Jesus is the Son of God and only through him can you achieve salvation=Christianity.

Muslims-Jesus is a great prophet, but not the son of God
Judaism-Jesus was a great prophet, but not the son of God
so...
No belief in the Christ=non-Christians
Nowhere in the Old Testament, nor in Jewish or Islamic teachings, is the word Christ or Christianity appear.

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RE: "The Religion of Peace" in action - 10/19/2016 5:13:42 PM

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I know many Muslims who loves to say they are the same religion as Christianity

They aren't. Period. Try looking it up. Anywhere. Any site on the internet. Go ahead. Pick one. Its not difficult to find.

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as they worship the same God and they believe in Jesus. End of the day, Muslims believe in the existence of Jesus, and how he was responsible for spreading God's word, they just disagree on whether Jesus is this mythical being or not.

And the part about what you are referring to 'as the mythical being' part is the definition of Christianity.

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And to be considered a Christian. You just need to believe Jesus exists. I mean EVEN within Christianity denomination, they disagree what Jesus is. Some say he is God in human form. Some say he is the literal son of God.

Yes, its called the Holy Trinity. It recognizes Jesus as the literal son of God, and the human son. It is a fundamental part of Christianity. Which does not exist in Islam or Judaism.

I'm done trying to fix your willful ignorance on this. Pure stupidity.

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RE: "The Religion of Peace" in action - 10/19/2016 5:46:27 PM

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Christians believe in God as a Trinity... God is the 3 in 1... God the Father, God the Son (Jesus) and God the Holy Spirit. Islam totally disagrees with this and sees God (Allah) as one singular entity. In fact, in Islam...to elevate Jesus as being God is considered a major shirk... which is an unforgiven sin that send you to hell when you die. So to Muslims, Christians who believe that Jesus is God (the basic tenet of Christianity) are all going to hell when they die.

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RE: "The Religion of Peace" in action - 10/19/2016 5:50:27 PM

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Greta, you are proving time and again that you have no fucking clue as to a damn thing you are talking about.

To say you are dumber than the average grunt would be an understatement. You have the intelligence of a turnip (I may be insulting turnips with that statement.)

In case you do not know, Intelligence: the ability to acquire and apply knowledge and skills.

You have demonstrated neither, with the possible exception (opinion based on your posts on the subject) of sex acts. In which case, you should apply yourself to what you know best.

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RE: "The Religion of Peace" in action - 10/19/2016 6:17:12 PM

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A belief in the God of the Old Testament is not Christianity.

Then what do you call fundamental Christians who actually DOES believe in the old testament?

Fundamental Christians, or Fundamentalists. The New Testament is seen as the prophetic fulfillment of the Old Testament.

Greta75, the term you seek is Abrahamic or Semitic religions, not Christian religions. These religions stem from the belief in Yahweh (Jehovah), the One True God of Abraham.

Judaism specifically believes in the God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob. Jacob's name was Israel, and this is from whence the Twelve Tribes of Israel were derived, through Jacob's 12 sons.

The lineage of Messianic Jesus follows this unbroken line per the tribe of the Lion of Judah, through King David's bloodline. This is why the Messiah is referred to as the Davidic King [of the Jews].
This is why Jesus the man was a threat to TPTB, as the rightful heir to King Herod's throne. So was his cousin John the Baptist, who was executed by Herod.

The wearing of the INRI sign during Christ's crucifixion was not done to mock Jesus. Roman Governor Pontius Pilate was showing what was the cause of the death penalty.
In other words, Jesus of Nazareth's capital "offense" was that he was being persecuted for being the "King of the Jews."
Jesus himself never made any claims on taking possession of an earthly kingdom. He told Pilate during his "trial" that My Kingdom is not of this world.

Islam specifically believes in the God of Abraham through his son Ishmael, not Isaac. This is how Mohammed could circumvent Christianity.
Arabs and other non-Hebrew Middle Eastern Asians are also Semites. They are descended from (the half-Egyptian bastard) Ishmael, though, who was not Abraham's recognized heir.

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RE: "The Religion of Peace" in action - 10/19/2016 6:33:54 PM

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Wrong again, Mormons do worship Christ, but they consider John Smith to be a later day prophet.

Mormons practically was formed by Joseph Smith, so they are following the beliefs of Joseph Smiths. That's what make them Mormons. And their prophet simply believe Jesus is the the mythical son of God.
Muslims are following the beliefs of Muhammad who respected Jesus as a prophet of God, but believe the Christians are lying about the mythical part.

By your thinking only Catholics would be truly Christians because the rest are because someone disagreed with Catholic doctrine.
Study some theology and you might see what is wrong with your position.
For starters you ignore that the basis of Christianity is the Divinity of Christ, this belief is what unites all Christian denominations. If you do not belief in the divinity of Christ you are not a Christian, end of discussion.

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RE: "The Religion of Peace" in action - 10/19/2016 6:35:35 PM

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In fact, you can reject the Old Testament entirely and still be considered a Christian.

Of course people can choose to ignore the old testament and choose to only follow the New Testament, but it doesn't invalidate that they are following a man who is the son of the God of the old testament.

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Calling a Muslim 'Christian' is offensive to Muslims.

I know many Muslims who loves to say they are the same religion as Christianity, as they worship the same God and they believe in Jesus. End of the day, Muslims believe in the existence of Jesus, and how he was responsible for spreading God's word, they just disagree on whether Jesus is this mythical being or not.

And to be considered a Christian. You just need to believe Jesus exists. I mean EVEN within Christianity denomination, they disagree what Jesus is. Some say he is God in human form. Some say he is the literal son of God. And Muslims say, he was a prophet sent by God.

But all Christians agree that Christ was divine.

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RE: "The Religion of Peace" in action - 10/19/2016 7:20:21 PM

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But all Christians agree that Christ was divine.

Actually, that is still a point of contention with some denominations, the fact of which is humorous when you consider it.

And I use the word still because it was a major stumbling block at the Council of Nicea ordered by Emperor Constantine.

The point being that one cannot be divine and still be mortal or human, even though the old testament said the messiah would be both.

Call it selective interpretation of scripture, and the argument against Christ being truly divine is that he was born of a mortal woman, which goes back to the numerous times the Greek and Roman gods could not keep it in their pants.

Another major point of contention is the Holy Trinity, which according to some cannot be a monotheistic religion, again based on scripture, for how can the three be one when Christ stated he would sit at the right hand of God, his father.

The great problem protestants had, and still have with Catholics is the requesting of the saints to act in behalf of the individual, the intercession for divine protection.

In point of fact, when you consider the number of angels, archangels etc in the old testament, monotheism does not apply there as well.

Granted, it all boils down to semantics, but then what doesn't.

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RE: "The Religion of Peace" in action - 10/19/2016 7:44:01 PM

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Wrong again, Mormons do worship Christ, but they consider John Smith to be a later day prophet.

Mormons practically was formed by Joseph Smith, so they are following the beliefs of Joseph Smiths. That's what make them Mormons. And their prophet simply believe Jesus is the the mythical son of God.
Muslims are following the beliefs of Muhammad who respected Jesus as a prophet of God, but believe the Christians are lying about the mythical part.

Lutherans were formed by Martin Luther does that mean that they aren't Christians? Every denomination has a founder.

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RE: "The Religion of Peace" in action - 10/19/2016 7:46:59 PM

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But all Christians agree that Christ was divine.

Actually, that is still a point of contention with some denominations, the fact of which is humorous when you consider it.

And I use the word still because it was a major stumbling block at the Council of Nicea ordered by Emperor Constantine.

The point being that one cannot be divine and still be mortal or human, even though the old testament said the messiah would be both.

Call it selective interpretation of scripture, and the argument against Christ being truly divine is that he was born of a mortal woman, which goes back to the numerous times the Greek and Roman gods could not keep it in their pants.

Another major point of contention is the Holy Trinity, which according to some cannot be a monotheistic religion, again based on scripture, for how can the three be one when Christ stated he would sit at the right hand of God, his father.

The great problem protestants had, and still have with Catholics is the requesting of the saints to act in behalf of the individual, the intercession for divine protection.

In point of fact, when you consider the number of angels, archangels etc in the old testament, monotheism does not apply there as well.

Granted, it all boils down to semantics, but then what doesn't.

The praying to saints was one of the corruption s that Martin Luther rebelled against.

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RE: "The Religion of Peace" in action - 10/19/2016 7:52:51 PM

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But all Christians agree that Christ was divine.

Actually, that is still a point of contention with some denominations, the fact of which is humorous when you consider it.

And I use the word still because it was a major stumbling block at the Council of Nicea ordered by Emperor Constantine.

The point being that one cannot be divine and still be mortal or human, even though the old testament said the messiah would be both.

Call it selective interpretation of scripture, and the argument against Christ being truly divine is that he was born of a mortal woman, which goes back to the numerous times the Greek and Roman gods could not keep it in their pants.

Another major point of contention is the Holy Trinity, which according to some cannot be a monotheistic religion, again based on scripture, for how can the three be one when Christ stated he would sit at the right hand of God, his father.

The great problem protestants had, and still have with Catholics is the requesting of the saints to act in behalf of the individual, the intercession for divine protection.

In point of fact, when you consider the number of angels, archangels etc in the old testament, monotheism does not apply there as well.

Granted, it all boils down to semantics, but then what doesn't.

The praying to saints was one of the corruption s that Martin Luther rebelled against.

I was raised catholic, so I know that all too well.

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RE: "The Religion of Peace" in action - 10/19/2016 8:11:32 PM

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An eye for an eye, and a tooth for a tooth:

That is from the code of hammurabi, which predates the jews and their laws by quite some time, it being one of the earliest known codification of laws. It is restitutional and not retrubutive.
The poorly educated, such as yourself, constantly misquote the law and think you are being something less than an ignorant fool.
It's meaning is found in laws 196-214 inclusive.

http://www.sacred-texts.com/ane/ham/ham07.htm

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RE: "The Religion of Peace" in action - 10/19/2016 8:20:10 PM

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I'm done trying to fix your willful ignorance on this. Pure stupidity.

That sounds very like a euphimism for
Jesus you are phoquing stupid

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