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RE: "The Religion of Peace" in action - 10/19/2016 4:28:13 PM   
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Jesus Christ, how can one person be so fucking stupid?

First of all, Muhammad was not a Christian, he was not teaching Christians or Jews. In point of fact, where he was teaching had little or no major influential contact with either faith you fucking moron.

Dude, How can Muhammad NOT be a Christian, when Jews, Christians and Muslims worship the SAME GOD and Muslims believe 101% in the Old testament? What Muhammad did was start a new Christian Cult, like the Mormons did, and called it Islam! As far as I'm concern, the Christianity old testament is 101% legit as part of Islam. Quran is simply the New Testament for followers of that same Christian God who refuse to believe that Jesus is the son of God.
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As for the law of Moses, even Jesus said to follow it, albeit he also said "he who is without sin cast the first stone."

Thank you, you just proven what I said, that the Christians who follows the new testament TRIED to make a kinder Christianity with "turn the other cheek" statements.
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Did you know that under the law of Moses, gentiles (non Jews) were technically forbidden from converting to the Jewish faith, even though Joseph took a non Jew for a wife.

I have debated with a jew once who explain to me all the allegory of correct interpretation of their torah text. And I was very impressed at how they are able to logically explain every atrocities in a way Christians or Muslims never interpret it. I've never been able to get the same from a Muslim or Christian in the way they interpret the old testament.
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Conversion from the Muslim faith in many predominantly Muslim countries does not result in an execution, although in some countries I will admit it happens.

Dude this is your big lie again. Just go google wikipedia on apostasy. Tell me which Muslim country does not have a criminal penalty for apostasy? They explain the apostasy penalty for every Muslim country. Majority of them have it! I have posted on this before!
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confirmed (both by Amnesty International and the UN) acts of cannibalism by Christians eating the bodies of murdered Muslims.

Now when did Jesus ever ask his followers to go kill and murder? Muhammad always asked his followers to go kill and murder, he even lead them to do so and personally was involve.

Let's not compare Christians who go against Jesus wishes for peaceful ways of dealing with conflicts, to Muslims who are just carrying out Muhammad wishes okay?

When Jesus was persecuted, he surrendered himself peacefully without a fight and sacrificed himself. When Muhammad is persecuted, he went all out and took revenge.

Please stop being obtuse and not see the difference. I am judging the religion by the actions of their leaders. As end of the day, they are suppose to follow the behaviour of their role models.

You are the hypocrite.


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RE: "The Religion of Peace" in action - 10/19/2016 4:36:26 PM   
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Jesus Christ, how can one person be so fucking stupid?

First of all, Muhammad was not a Christian, he was not teaching Christians or Jews. In point of fact, where he was teaching had little or no major influential contact with either faith you fucking moron.

Dude, How can Muhammad NOT be a Christian, when Jews, Christians and Muslims worship the SAME GOD and Muslims believe 101% in the Old testament? What Muhammad did was start a new Christian Cult, like the Mormons did, and called it Islam! As far as I'm concern, the Christianity old testament is 101% legit as part of Islam. Quran is simply the New Testament for followers of that same Christian God who refuse to believe that Jesus is the son of God.
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As for the law of Moses, even Jesus said to follow it, albeit he also said "he who is without sin cast the first stone."

Thank you, you just proven what I said, that the Christians who follows the new testament TRIED to make a kinder Christianity with "turn the other cheek" statements.
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Did you know that under the law of Moses, gentiles (non Jews) were technically forbidden from converting to the Jewish faith, even though Joseph took a non Jew for a wife.

I have debated with a jew once who explain to me all the allegory of correct interpretation of their torah text. And I was very impressed at how they are able to logically explain every atrocities in a way Christians or Muslims never interpret it. I've never been able to get the same from a Muslim or Christian in the way they interpret the old testament.
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Conversion from the Muslim faith in many predominantly Muslim countries does not result in an execution, although in some countries I will admit it happens.

Dude this is your big lie again. Just go google wikipedia on apostasy. Tell me which Muslim country does not have a criminal penalty for apostasy? They explain the apostasy penalty for every Muslim country. Majority of them have it! I have posted on this before!
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confirmed (both by Amnesty International and the UN) acts of cannibalism by Christians eating the bodies of murdered Muslims.

Now when did Jesus ever ask his followers to go kill and murder? Muhammad always asked his followers to go kill and murder, he even lead them to do so and personally was involve.

Let's not compare Christians who go against Jesus wishes for peaceful ways of dealing with conflicts, to Muslims who are just carrying out Muhammad wishes okay?

When Jesus was persecuted, he surrendered himself peacefully without a fight and sacrificed himself. When Muhammad is persecuted, he went all out and took revenge.

Please stop being obtuse and not see the difference.

You are the hypocrite.


If they were the same religion why did Mohammed say that they weren't.

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RE: "The Religion of Peace" in action - 10/19/2016 4:37:23 PM   
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If they were the same religion why did Mohammed say that they weren't.

It's like Mormons and Christianity right?
Christians follow Jesus.
Mormons follow Joseph Smith
Muslims follow Muhammad

Muhammad came in after Jesus and say Jesus is just a prophet like himself. Not God himself or the son of God. And he was an outdated prophet. And then self-proclaim himself as the final prophet of God that everyone should follow.

The ones who believes he is a fraud, remain christians and continue to believe Christ is the son of God.

The ones who got convinced that Muhammad is telling truth that Jesus is just a regular human being like himself, started following Muhammad and became Muslims.

To me, when Muhammad acknowledges everything in the old testament is true, and also acknowledges that Jesus is real and Jesus follows the same God as he does. How is that not acknowledging they are the same? The only difference is their beliefs in what Jesus is.


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RE: "The Religion of Peace" in action - 10/19/2016 4:40:26 PM   
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Dude, How can Muhammad NOT be a Christian, when Jews, Christians and Muslims worship the SAME GOD and Muslims believe 101% in the Old testament?

Oh good god this is ignorant.

Muslims are not Christians. They never were, same as Jews are not nor were they ever Christians.

Christianity was established with the New Testament. It is associated with the belief that Jesus was the son of God and the Messiah. Neither Jews nor Muslims recognize that, never did, and were therefore never identified, by themselves or anyone else in all of history, as Christians.

A belief in the God of the Old Testament is not Christianity.

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RE: "The Religion of Peace" in action - 10/19/2016 4:41:29 PM   
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A belief in the God of the Old Testament is not Christianity.

Then what do you call fundamental Christians who actually DOES believe in the old testament?

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RE: "The Religion of Peace" in action - 10/19/2016 4:42:54 PM   
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If they were the same religion why did Mohammed say that they weren't.

It's like Mormons and Christianity right?
Christians follow Jesus.
Mormons follow Joseph Smith
Muslims follow Muhammad

Muhammad came in after Jesus and say Jesus is just a prophet like himself. Not God himself or the son of God. And he was an outdated prophet. And then self-proclaim himself as the final prophet of God that everyone should follow.

The ones who believes he is a fraud, remain christians and continue to believe Christ is the son of God.

The ones who got convinced that Muhammad is telling truth that Jesus is just a regular human being like himself, started following Muhammad and became Muslims.

To me, when Muhammad acknowledges everything in the old testament is true, and also acknowledges that Jesus is real and Jesus follows the same God as he does. How is that not acknowledging they are the same? The only difference is their beliefs in what Jesus is.


The bolded part is what defines Christians vs. non-Christians. Their beliefs regarding Jesus.


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RE: "The Religion of Peace" in action - 10/19/2016 4:44:52 PM   
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The bolded part is what defines Christians vs. non-Christians. Their beliefs regarding Jesus.

I use the word "Christians" as an Umbrella word to describe ALL people who believe in the Christianity God. The same God, Muslims, Jews, Mormons, Jehovah Witnesses, believe in! I see all the other words as sub-division of Christianity, as they all pray to the same God.

If "Christian" is not the right word, then what is the right word?

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RE: "The Religion of Peace" in action - 10/19/2016 4:45:54 PM   
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A belief in the God of the Old Testament is not Christianity.

Then what do you call fundamental Christians who actually DOES believe in the old testament?

Christians believe in the Old AND New testaments. Jews and Muslims do not believe in the New Testament teaching of Jesus as the Messiah. So they are not Christians.

You can believe in the Old Testament and not be Christian. To be Christian you ALSO have to believe in the New Testament teachings of Christ.

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RE: "The Religion of Peace" in action - 10/19/2016 4:46:27 PM   
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What Muhammad did was start a new Christian Cult, like the Mormons did, and called it Islam!

Islam is not a Christian religion. Islam is a Jewish religion.


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RE: "The Religion of Peace" in action - 10/19/2016 4:46:56 PM   
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You can believe in the Old Testament and not be Christian. To be Christian you ALSO have to believe in the New Testament teachings of Christ.

But then Mormons are Christians too but they don't follow Christ.

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RE: "The Religion of Peace" in action - 10/19/2016 4:48:02 PM   
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The bolded part is what defines Christians vs. non-Christians. Their beliefs regarding Jesus.

I use the word "Christians" as an Umbrella word to describe ALL people who believe in the Christianity God. The same God, Muslims, Jews, Mormons, Jehovah Witnesses, believe in! I see all the other words as sub-division of Christianity, as they all pray to the same God.

If "Christian" is not the right word, then what is the right word?


I don't believe there is an umbrella term to group all of them together. But what you have been saying about Christianity is flat out wrong, so don't be surprised when people don't believe what you gave to say about other religions.

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RE: "The Religion of Peace" in action - 10/19/2016 4:48:11 PM   
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Islam is not a Christian religion. Islam is a Jewish religion.

I think you guys are just splitting hairs. All Christians believe in the old testament. I mean Jesus doesn't deny that the old testament is real.
To me, they are all following the same religion, same God, with deviation of beliefs.

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RE: "The Religion of Peace" in action - 10/19/2016 4:48:37 PM   
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Jesus Christ, how can one person be so fucking stupid?
I dunno Jeff, but you manage it quite effectively.

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First of all, Muhammad was not a Christian, he was not teaching Christians or Jews. In point of fact, where he was teaching had little or no major influential contact with either faith you fucking moron.
Mohammed was trying to sell reheated Judaism.

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How can one person be so fucking oblivious to history?
I agree. When those plundering Islamic armies swept across Europe, what was the justification for that little exercise, mate?

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Nor do you really know shit about the Muslim faith, because if you did, there might be a chance, albeit infinitesimally small, that you might have the ability to gain some useful knowledge except that which is spewed by complete and udder morons.
I think we know all about the Muslim faith, mate. We see the evidence of it every day in the news reports.

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As for the law of Moses, even Jesus said to follow it, albeit he also said "he who is without sin cast the first stone."
That particular quote was Jesus' way of dealing with a self-righteous mob. Capital punishment was prescribed for both parties who committed adultery, so when a mob brought a woman before Jesus' demanding punishment, they were engaging in a perversion of the law.

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Paul's statements concerning homosexuality being an abomination not only indicated a fast elevator ride to hell but the punishment of stoning as well.
No, Paul never said anything about stoning homosexuals.

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Did you know that under the law of Moses, gentiles (non Jews) were technically forbidden from converting to the Jewish faith, even though Joseph took a non Jew for a wife.
Bullshit. There are converts in the Bible who converted and were circumcised.

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Conversion from the Muslim faith in many predominantly Muslim countries does not result in an execution, although in some countries I will admit it happens.
Yeah in Afghanistan, Brunei, Mauritania, Qatar, Saudi Arabia, Sudan, the United Arab Emirates, and Yemen. None of those countries are significant, are they.

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However, I have to admit, your blindness to the murders committed in the name of Judaism and Christianity is unbelievable, and I am talking recent history, not hundreds of years ago.
The paltry number of religious based executions pale into insignificance next to the death toll inflicted on the world by Islam.

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The simple fact is that any religion can be perverted to condone murder, and it is done today.
Well in the case of Islam, you don't need to do that because murder is built right into the very heart of the creed.

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In Lebanon as well as the Central African Republic, Christians committed atrocities that in some case exceeded those of Muslim terrorists and ISIS, which included verified and confirmed (both by Amnesty International and the UN) acts of cannibalism by Christians eating the bodies of murdered Muslims.
That's the best you can do? Really?

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Something Muslims have yet to do.
No, they just blow up civilians and use their own children as human shields.

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Continued acts of Christian terrorism are occurring in Africa, India, The United States and countless other countries, and yet, we only hear people denouncing Muslims, and calling all true Muslims terrorists.
Says who? Al-Jazeera? And are we talking about primitive African nations engaging in wars with each other?

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Yet, you and others on these boards deny these acts or are oblivious to the fact they happened.
Jeff you seem awfully defensive about a religion which is well known for its murder and intolerance.

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I suggest you and everyone that believes in the infallibility of Christianity read Mathew with particular emphasis on chapter 7, verse one.

Then do a bit of simple research into atrocities committed by 20th and 21st century Christians. Not limited to Catholic camps in Croatia, the massacres in Rwanda, or the Catholic activities in Vietnam.

Your hypocrisy knows no limits if you even attempt to deny these facts.
People calling themselves Christians have killed other people. Yes. How does this excuse a religion which is founded upon murder and instructs its adherents to murder?

It's almost like you're trying to divert attention from the constant stream of Islamic terrorism which occurs EVERY DAMN DAY throughout the world.



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RE: "The Religion of Peace" in action - 10/19/2016 4:49:16 PM   
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If they were the same religion why did Mohammed say that they weren't.

It's like Mormons and Christianity right?
Christians follow Jesus.
Mormons follow Joseph Smith
Muslims follow Muhammad

Muhammad came in after Jesus and say Jesus is just a prophet like himself. Not God himself or the son of God. And he was an outdated prophet. And then self-proclaim himself as the final prophet of God that everyone should follow.

The ones who believes he is a fraud, remain christians and continue to believe Christ is the son of God.

The ones who got convinced that Muhammad is telling truth that Jesus is just a regular human being like himself, started following Muhammad and became Muslims.

To me, when Muhammad acknowledges everything in the old testament is true, and also acknowledges that Jesus is real and Jesus follows the same God as he does. How is that not acknowledging they are the same? The only difference is their beliefs in what Jesus is.


That difference is to deny the core of Christianity. If Christ is just another prophet then there is no Christianity. Thus Mohammed claimed not that Islam was a continuation of Christianity but a replacement.

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RE: "The Religion of Peace" in action - 10/19/2016 4:50:25 PM   
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You can believe in the Old Testament and not be Christian. To be Christian you ALSO have to believe in the New Testament teachings of Christ.

But then Mormons are Christians too but they don't follow Christ.

Yes they do. Try researching crap before you start spewing your ignorance.

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RE: "The Religion of Peace" in action - 10/19/2016 4:51:13 PM   
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I don't believe there is an umbrella term to group all of them together. But what you have been saying about Christianity is flat out wrong, so don't be surprised when people don't believe what you gave to say about other religions.

Christianity IS the best umbrella term! As Christianity involves believe in the old testament God. So all the religions I mentioned believe in the old testament God. It's the old testament God that gave birth to Jesus after all!

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RE: "The Religion of Peace" in action - 10/19/2016 4:51:54 PM   
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The bolded part is what defines Christians vs. non-Christians. Their beliefs regarding Jesus.

I use the word "Christians" as an Umbrella word to describe ALL people who believe in the Christianity God. The same God, Muslims, Jews, Mormons, Jehovah Witnesses, believe in! I see all the other words as sub-division of Christianity, as they all pray to the same God.

If "Christian" is not the right word, then what is the right word?

If you had stopped at they all claim the same God there would be no problem.
But they are 3 different religions all worshiping the same entity.

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RE: "The Religion of Peace" in action - 10/19/2016 4:52:56 PM   
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Yes they do. Try researching crap before you start spewing your ignorance.

Nope, they follow the beliefs of Joseph Smith.
And Joseph Smith believes in Christ.
Muslims also follow the beliefs of Muhammad, who believes in existence of Jesus Christ as someone who was spreading his God's words.

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RE: "The Religion of Peace" in action - 10/19/2016 4:53:13 PM   
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The bolded part is what defines Christians vs. non-Christians. Their beliefs regarding Jesus.

I use the word "Christians" as an Umbrella word to describe ALL people who believe in the Christianity God. The same God, Muslims, Jews, Mormons, Jehovah Witnesses, believe in! I see all the other words as sub-division of Christianity, as they all pray to the same God.

If "Christian" is not the right word, then what is the right word?

I define Christians as populations that have a low incidence of inherited diseases. (If one can measure something, it exists.)

Consequently I do not consider such populations as the Amish, who have about a six times higher incidence of inherited diseases as Europeans, as Christians.


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RE: "The Religion of Peace" in action - 10/19/2016 4:53:52 PM   
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What Muhammad did was start a new Christian Cult, like the Mormons did, and called it Islam!

Islam is not a Christian religion. Islam is a Jewish religion.


Islam is largely derived from Islam is NOT Jewish, I take as an authority Mohammed.

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