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RE: "The Religion of Peace" in action - 10/20/2016 7:38:17 PM

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Well the same shit happened to the Bible. What the fuck is a King James version ? Who the fuck is the leader of a country, member of a royal welfare recipient family get the right to edit the word of god ?
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the king james version is an English translation, not an "editing."

and to be clear, the work of the translation was commissioned and supported by the king, not DONE by him. it took dozens of scholars a handful of years to do it.

you can only say "the same shit happened to the bible" if you can show how meaningful information exists in the original Hebrew, greek and Aramaic, but then does not show up in the English versions.

You happened to have left out one, extremely important fact about the king James version of the bible, which by its very nature, is editing.

Four books were left out of the old testament.

Of course, when you consider that there is really no direct translation for many words of Aramaic, the language the gospels were written in to Greek, and the same is true for Hebrew to Greek, which were then translated to Latin on the order of Emperor Constantine who did have much to say about the words used in the translations, you then have some clear editing in the history of the bible.

That being said, it must also be noted that the first of the gospels was Mark and written sometime around 70 AD, about 35 years after the death of Jesus, and a number of years after the death of Mark. Mathew and Luke were written in the 80's and 90's, and based on oral records.

Furthermore, at last count, there were at least five known versions of Mark, all differing to some degree, and all copied from earlier transcripts, as for Mathew and Luke, there are four confirmed differing versions on scrolls dating back to approximately AD134.

Now there is some proof that the written versions differ from the oral records in a few rather interesting points.

First, in his own words, Jesus said to keep the law of Moses, and that he brought a higher law as well.

Now, this is an important point, for if Jesus was so set on the law of Moses, and he taught in the Synagogue then, by the gospels as we know them, he was violating the law of Moses.

The Gospels portray him as unmarried.

Therefore, for him to have taught in the Synagogue, not only was he in violation of the law, but subject to being stoned to death for heresy.

In one of the two sources for the written record of Mark, on his way to the tomb of Lazarus, he ordered Lazarus's sister to accompany him to the tomb. For her to obey him, he had to be either blood kin or her husband.

Even before this, his first miracle at the wedding has some major issues.

Mary his mother bade the servants at the wedding to do as he (Jesus) told them. For her to have any authority over those servants, she would have had to be the mother of the groom, since it was the groom's family which traditionally hosted the wedding feast.

Now, there are some that point to the fact that the gospels state that Jesus had a younger brother and it was his wedding, but that in and of itself creates a problem.

The youngest son or daughter could not marry until the oldest child had been wed.

Again the evidence points to either it was Jesus's own wedding OR he was already married.

Again there is evidence of editing by the scribes who wrote the gospels.

Add to that that the Christian community at the time did not have the tradition of writing the gospels down, more out of self preservation than anything else.

Granted every point is circumstantial, based on the religious law at the time of Jesus, however, every non biased biblical scholar will point out the very same things.

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RE: "The Religion of Peace" in action - 10/20/2016 7:39:23 PM

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the king james version is an English translation, not an "editing."

If something is left out then it is called editing

and to be clear, the work of the translation was commissioned and supported by the king, not DONE by him. it took dozens of scholars a handful of years to do it.

you can only say "the same shit happened to the bible" if you can show how meaningful information exists in the original Hebrew, greek and Aramaic, but then does not show up in the English versions.

Well there is this...

"To begin with, most KJV Bibles have 39 books in the Old Testament, all originally written in Hebrew. However, the Old Testament of the NAB contains 46 books, including an additional seven (Tobit, Judith, 1 & 2 Maccabees, Wisdom, Ecclesiasticus, and Baruch) which were part of an ancient Greek translation of the Hebrew Bible. These seven books are variously referred to as the “apocryphal” or “deuterocanonical” books and are usually placed between the Old and New Testaments. In this sense, it can be said that Catholic Bibles have more books in them than Protestant Bibles (here represented by the KJV).

The other primary difference between the two is one of translation/textual accuracy. The KJV was translated more than 350 years ago; the NAB just in the last few decades. Translators of the NAB took advantage of ancient manuscripts that were discovered since the introduction of the KJV, and using these they arrived at a text believed to be closer more consistent with the original manuscripts of the Bible".

http://bustedhalo.com/questionbox/are-there-any-differences-between-the-king-james-version-kjv-of-the-bible-and-the-catholic-bible-today

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RE: "The Religion of Peace" in action - 10/21/2016 6:19:56 AM

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Well the same shit happened to the Bible. What the fuck is a King James version ? Who the fuck is the leader of a country, member of a royal welfare recipient family get the right to edit the word of god ?
T^T

the king james version is an English translation, not an "editing."

and to be clear, the work of the translation was commissioned and supported by the king, not DONE by him. it took dozens of scholars a handful of years to do it.

you can only say "the same shit happened to the bible" if you can show how meaningful information exists in the original Hebrew, greek and Aramaic, but then does not show up in the English versions.

You happened to have left out one, extremely important fact about the king James version of the bible, which by its very nature, is editing.

Four books were left out of the old testament.

one of two things---there was no the bible at the time. relatively speaking canonicity was still occurring, as well as the development of Christian traditions (eastern, protestant and roman catholic). there are some instructive side by side charts here: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Biblical_canon

more importantly you'll have to do a number of things:

one is, specifically identify which four books you are talking about.

the next is, in which translation/version did they exist prior to the king james version, especially as other English speaking versions existed.

assure they were indeed "left out" as opposed to combined or moved.

and if indeed they were left out, then describe how/why it was they were. were they controversial to begin with? concerns over authorship? lack of evidence of divine inspiration? etc. as a side note to that, what's the disposition of those books today and in other translations and versions.

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Now there is some proof that the written versions differ from the oral records in a few rather interesting points...

Granted every point is circumstantial, based on the religious law at the time of Jesus, however, every non biased biblical scholar will point out the very same things.

you'll have to provide reputable evidence for both of those claims (and the particular points you raised that I omitted for space sake) as well as defining "non-biased biblical scholar."

if you want to continue the conversation, feel invited to send me a private message.

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RE: "The Religion of Peace" in action - 10/22/2016 11:44:19 PM

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https://www.theguardian.com/world/2016/oct/17/aceh-flogs-13-young-people-for-breaking-islamic-laws-sharia-intimacy-indonesian-province

Now, given the number of Muslims who support the introduction of Sharia Law into their districts, I presume the feminists will be fully on board with being caned for their intimacy violations. What with the London Mayor being so supportive of undermining the existing social and legislative institutions, I'm sure the Poms can expect the introduction of Sharia fairly soon.

So the question is: How far does your rabid anti-white support of Islam extend?

Now see, here, the problem obviously is that the 'religion of peace' never learned properly from its predecessor 'religions of wars,' i.e. Judaism and Christianity.

Was she stoned to death?

No.

Was she burned at the stake?

Again, no.

Effing amateurs.

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RE: "The Religion of Peace" in action - 10/23/2016 12:22:53 AM

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There is no such thing as a translation that doesn't involve choices as how to best express an idea or a sentiment from one culture/ergo-language or one language/ergo-culture to another.

Which unavoidably means editing.

Multiply that four times as done by those with imperfect understanding of another language combined with minimal understanding of the culture behind it, and an agenda to boot, and now you have a perfect storm of ... somebody whose foot stepped into some mud eventually becomes a story of the mud magically rising to his foot.

What we had 2,000-3,000 years ago ... and still have today. If in somewhat in even further convolution by way of the industrial age and the oil companies.

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RE: "The Religion of Peace" in action - 10/23/2016 12:57:42 AM

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The King James bible was done by transcribing the Douy-Rheims bible, the latin version in use by the Catholic Church, as set by the council of Trent 1545–1563, and first written for the Church of England in 1604, completed in 1611

The first canonized christian bible was the one ordered written by Emperor Constantine in 331, in which he ordered 50 bibles to be written and the texts codified for the now Legal Christian church.

Pope Damasus I commissioned the Latin Vulgate bible which was the basis for the mass in ALL catholic churches at that time and final version was decided 419 and that was when Revalations was included.

And it was a typo, it was 14 books removed from the king James version in 1885.

1 Esdras
2 Esdras
Tobit
Judith
Additions to Esther
Wisdom of Solomon
Ecclesiasticus
Baruch
Letter of Jeremiah
Prayer of Azariah
Susanna
Bel and the Dragon
Prayer of Manasseh
1 Maccabees
2 Maccabees
Baruch

And prior to the King James version, which was the first English version, the Latin version had existed for 1192 years in its final form.

Which the eastern orthodox churches were also using albeit in Greek.

I would suggest, next time you go ANYWHERE else than wikipedia for information.

In fact this is a pretty good timeline for how the present bible came to be

Of course this might help you understand some of the other issues.

or this

Or just knock yourself out here

As for the gospel of Mark, you might want to read this.

There is no discussion, as any history major will tell you, the new testament is/was written by no one that actually knew or saw Jesus, heard his teachings, and with the exception of Paul's letters, are in no way an accurate depiction of Jesus's times or preaching.

In fact, the massacre of the innocents as ordered by King Herod is doubted to actually have happened, and since the Roman Tax only applied to Roman citizens, Joseph and Mary going to Bethlehem is also questioned.

Then you have the time line of Jesus birth.

There was no tax decreed by a Roman emperor during the reign of Herod, although there was a tax decreed by the Governor of Syria, which would have applied to the Holy land.

" And Joseph also went up from Galilee, out of the city of Nazareth, into Judæa, unto the city of David, which is called Bethlehem"

The problem with this is that Nazareth did not exist at the time of Jesus.

While I believe that Jesus Christ is who and what Christians claim him to be, taking the new testament as an accurate account of his life and teachings, is a bit of a stretch to say the least.

Here is another glaringly obvious problem with the new testament.

Jesus was accused of a religious crime, and thus would have been under the jurisdiction of the Jewish religious courts.

The Temple Priests did not need Pilate to have him crucified, they could have sentenced him to being stoned to death, as they had done with others during the Roman occupation.

You might want to read the writings of Josephus, a Jewish historian who did his work at the time of Jesus, before you debate anyone about the validity of the modern bible or even the truthfulness of the gospels.

I also suggest you research the "Gospel of Mary" and the gnostic gospels, as well as other books banned from the bible, the history channel did at least two good shows on the subject.

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