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RE: Don't Women Want The Same Things As Men? - 10/28/2016 6:53:06 AM   
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There are much better sources including links to actually case law which disprove FD's bs claim..but ..you are not wrong.

Cite??

Coz from her link: I think it is double standards for black people to use it amongst each other and then not expect white people to use it. You can't find something offensive when one set of people say something and not when a different set of people say the same thing.
And that happens here much more commonly than you might like to think.

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ORIGINAL: BitaTruble
I did not know that folks in the UK could actually be charged with a violation of the law for it. Thought that was just here. It is often an add on charge to bring hate/race into a case to elevate the penalty phase provding greater consequences to the same action or used as a plea chip. Seems similar in the UK.

They tend to pull the race card if they want to make a case of it.
But they use it amongst themselves.

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Greta has great sex with a limited, select group of men. Well..good on her! That does not make her a slut and after being told that is unacceptable to her, continued use of the term in relation to her is, to me, cyber bully defined.

From her post, she never replied.
So she didn't tell the dude.
Otherwise, I would agree.

And as I said before, the only qualifier is the number, not whether there was any qualitative selection or not.
It doesn't distinguish between any old guys, all guys, or a group of selected guys.

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Sluts spread indiscriminately.

Urban myth.
Cite?

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ORIGINAL: BitaTruble
Greta does not do that..she is discerning. Greta has many obvious flaws but even if she were a slut, that would not be one of them.

I agree, she is discerning.
But that isn't a qualifier for the word in its strictest sense.

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ORIGINAL: BitaTruble
FD..you are a cyber bully. I don't mean that as a pejorative..just as a fact.Hope you own that term as much as you want Greta to own slut..whether it is true or not.

Providing legitimate cites to show she is disowning the meaning of the word is not being a cyber bully.
It's just pointing to facts that she wishes to ignore on a personal level.



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RE: Don't Women Want The Same Things As Men? - 10/28/2016 7:38:15 AM   
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freedomdwarf, give it a rest. Blacks may call each other Nigger, but you try it and it's likely to get you punched. You use any of those terms you mention to anyone outside of your immediate circle of friends and you are being offensive, universally offensive! Hell, you call me anything other than my name without my express permission, you are are being offensive in your assumption.

Now where Greta is concerned she is what she puts over in this forum to be. Why in the world that should bother you so much I do not know. So what if she happens to be just like a guy? Why is it socially acceptable for men to be just like her, but not for her to admit that this is who she wants to be, and that she is happy like this. SO FUCKING WHAT? Leave her to it. It's her business, and no one else's. If she speaks of her group of friend's, let her. You don't have to agree with her, but stop making her defend her case all the damned time. She does not have to justify why she is like she is to you, and it's not for you to keep badgering her. Leave her be, it's getting really boring now watching you do this.

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RE: Don't Women Want The Same Things As Men? - 10/28/2016 8:23:50 AM   
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both things does not bring me orgasms or pleasure.

Since a teenager, every kiss I experienced has been lacklustre.


I'm starting to think the "not into getting oral sex" is a "real Asian girl" thing. That or you are secretly actually someone I know, we just don't know it yet.

I have a theory about kisses. It's a learned skill and boys in Asia (culturally, not ethnically) rarely bother to learn it. that coupled with the hype around kissing that girls are exposed to in a certain age group, means that every experience is pretty much doomed to be a disappointment on its own.

But then, it makes it easy for the promiscuous woman to identify the person they are actually attracted to on deeper levels than good sex, by determining whether or not you actually want and enjoy their kiss, where "I enjoy everything except his kiss" means "I'm not emotionally invested in him".

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RE: Don't Women Want The Same Things As Men? - 10/28/2016 8:24:17 AM   
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Greta has great sex with a limited, select group of men. Well..good on her! That does not make her a slut and after being told that is unacceptable to her, continued use of the term in relation to her is, to me, cyber bully defined.

From her post, she never replied.
So she didn't tell the dude.
Otherwise, I would agree.
I was not talking about the man to whom she did not respond..I was talking about you. You continue to use the term after repeatedly being told that it is unacceptable. You agree that behavior is cyber bullying. You are a cyber bully by your own admission.

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And as I said before, the only qualifier is the number,


What is the number?

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Urban myth.
Cite?

OED
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I agree, she is discerning.
But that isn't a qualifier for the word in its strictest sense.


Now you cite because according to the OED it is and I just happen to have the latest version here fairly close to my right elbow. Would you like the page number? My version is 2016 and not only is the word indisciminately used so is the word promiscuous which also is defined with the word indiscriminently. Would you like that page number as well? Would you like the page number for discerning? Do you have a better source than my hard copy Oxford English dictionary, long considered a reliable source on virtually every forum I have ever been on for the last 35 years?

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Providing legitimate cites to show she is disowning the meaning of the word is not being a cyber bully.



You are what you have always appeared to be. My opinion of you has never changed..it has only been validated.

Gretas sex life does not meet the OED definition of slut but even if it did, she does not want to be referred to in that fashion. That is the fact. You admit to being a cyber bully. That is the fact.


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RE: Don't Women Want The Same Things As Men? - 10/28/2016 8:33:11 AM   
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Freedomwharf - I also call BS on your claim. My last sub and LTR was English and black and it was not acceptable or appreciated for even a white mate to call him a nigger. Footballers have been called out on the field and have had charges filed for the use of that language. So unless you live in some rare part of the UK where there are unicorns and racially derogative terms are their rainbow poop, your full of shit.

Greta - You are who you are and I find it odd on a board where we all would be considered deviant in vanilla world that anyone judges. I personally prefer emotion over sex. When I was young I had my fair share of casual sex encounters and found them to be empty. The physical pleasure was nothing compared to the emotional high when completely satiated mentally. I imagine that is why I like scenes where the mental game plays a large part. Sex for me is a method of control and little else in most cases.

WD - While some of your post are very difficult to decipher I actually do find sense in some of them. They are like puzzles and sometimes they are missing a piece. You have such a pessimistic view of the individuals' on the site I wonder why you are here though. Yes, there are a lot of fakes the same can be said for the real world, but there are always treasures to be found. Smile once in a while I promise we will still think you are totally deranged.

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RE: Don't Women Want The Same Things As Men? - 10/28/2016 8:40:25 AM   
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There is a large gulf between transactional intimacy and emotional intimacy, and much more so for women. Generally speaking, men are more easily able to substitute transactional intimacy for emotional, whereas for women they are more distinct. An obvious distinction is the level of commitment involved. There are others.

This is pretty much dead on. Women, even in casual relationships, tend to want to have some sort of connection.



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RE: Don't Women Want The Same Things As Men? - 10/28/2016 10:07:03 AM   
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The coloured bretheren call each other "niggers" all the time round here.
And some street girls I know are quite happy to be called a slut.
The words aren't always derogatory.

But it is derogatory majority of the time.
To say this isn't derogatory is being dishonest. And in my specific post that you mentioned, it is super obvious the man was being derogatory.


Yes he was being derogatory. You didn't deserve it.

FD is being a hypocritical ass, insensitive, and self-righteous. I disagree with you a lot Greta, but you do not deserve the treatment you got from guy that emailed you, nor what you are getting from FD. Just ignore him, he isn't worth your time.

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RE: Don't Women Want The Same Things As Men? - 10/28/2016 2:59:59 PM   
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If one cultural group does something among themselves, it does not mean that others can steal it.

Or haven't you folks ever heard of cultural appropriation?

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RE: Don't Women Want The Same Things As Men? - 10/28/2016 6:01:38 PM   
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However, don't women want these things too?
Or is it just these activities are overly abundant for women that they don't have to pay for it?

Lots of women have spent a thousand nights alone. Also, a poster on this board once said that she never felt more alone than when she was sleeping in the same bed as her now-ex husband. On the other hand, there are definitely sugar mommas in the world, most famously Mae West.

What I hear in your questions is that women don't want to cuddle, hold hands, have sex with *you*. If that's why you're asking the questions, please understand that dating advice in kink world is pretty much the same as anywhere else. Work out a bit more than you currently are. Do something interesting with your time, like volunteering, reading books, or exploring new music. Then you have more interesting things to talk about. That sort of thing. Attractiveness attracts people, including kinky and slutty people.

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RE: Don't Women Want The Same Things As Men? - 10/28/2016 9:05:10 PM   
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The coloured bretheren call each other "niggers" all the time round here.
And some street girls I know are quite happy to be called a slut.
The words aren't always derogatory.

But it is derogatory majority of the time.
To say this isn't derogatory is being dishonest. And in my specific post that you mentioned, it is super obvious the man was being derogatory.


I didn't say it wasn't derogatory.
I just said it isn't always derogatory.
And it isn't treated that way with many people.

In your other post, the man used the correct term.
You might not like it, but it was accurate according to the meaning of the word.
The fact you took umbrage at it just shows your lack of understanding of English.

I think your isolated world is skewing your world view.



You understand that the term CAN be used derogatory.

From his post it is clear that the man in question was using the term in a derogatory way.

And yet you claim that Greta is wrong taking offense in a term which CAN be used derogatory being used in a derogatory way against her?

Your supposed mates, who don't care if you call them a nigger -a case in which you use a derogatory term in a non-derogatory way- how would they feel if a banker refused them a loan because 'he doesn't lend money to stealing niggers' -a case in which the derogatory term was used in a derogatory way?

The dude in question used a term with the potential to offend in a way meant to offend.

And you're doing the same thing by your continued insistence of using it with Greta.
What you're doing isn't any different than if you had a black friend who politely told you he didn't appreciated being called a nigger, and you then arguing with him "But it's what you ARE. Look here: the dictionary says that it's a term for black people."

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RE: Don't Women Want The Same Things As Men? - 10/28/2016 9:44:48 PM   
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That's not how I read it, Ish.

I just checked her post again.
The guy clearly said he had a "conservative and committed" view on relationships and wouldn't marry a slut like her.
He further went on to say "However, I do appreciate your honesty about your lifestyle. You'd probably be one hell of a great friend to hang with. But for me......you have too much dick history".
So it shows he took a disapproving tone but I didn't read it as derogatory.

To me, that is a very clear use of the word 'slut' in its proper descriptive form.
She went on to disown that description.
If the shoe fits etc etc; whether she likes the word is irrelevant, it still a shoe that fits.

And for your assertion (that a few have also taken) "What you're doing isn't any different than if you had a black friend who politely told you he didn't appreciated being called a nigger", Greta had admitted that she didn't respond to him at all so the guy had not been told she didn't appreciate the term.
Her exact words in her post were: "BTW, just for context, I haven't even replied him."


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RE: Don't Women Want The Same Things As Men? - 10/28/2016 9:54:43 PM   
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So the nice mr conservative man thinks its ok to email her with "just "the dictionary term". just being neighbourly like?.

FD you are losing your marbles over this....You seem to have this problem with women who practise sexual freedom. Get over yourself dood



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RE: Don't Women Want The Same Things As Men? - 10/28/2016 10:48:51 PM   
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ORIGINAL: BitaTruble
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ORIGINAL: freedomdwarf1
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ORIGINAL: BitaTruble
Greta has great sex with a limited, select group of men. Well..good on her! That does not make her a slut and after being told that is unacceptable to her, continued use of the term in relation to her is, to me, cyber bully defined.

From her post, she never replied.
So she didn't tell the dude.
Otherwise, I would agree.
I was not talking about the man to whom she did not respond..I was talking about you.

And I am referring specifically to a term that someone used when communicating with Greta that she herself posted here.
Everyone, including you, are saying that it is universally offensive and never used any other way.
I disagree when reading the definition of the word.
Usually, yes. Universal, no.

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You continue to use the term after repeatedly being told that it is unacceptable.

See above.
I am showing one of the definitions of the word she is disowning - I'm not using it at her other than the reference to her post.

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ORIGINAL: BitaTruble
You agree that behavior is cyber bullying. You are a cyber bully by your own admission.

No, I didn't agree anything of the sort.
You accused me of it. I denied it.

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ORIGINAL: BitaTruble
quote:

And as I said before, the only qualifier is the number,

What is the number?

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Urban myth.
Cite?

OED
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I agree, she is discerning.
But that isn't a qualifier for the word in its strictest sense.


Now you cite because according to the OED it is and I just happen to have the latest version here fairly close to my right elbow. Would you like the page number? My version is 2016 and not only is the word indisciminately used so is the word promiscuous which also is defined with the word indiscriminently. Would you like that page number as well? Would you like the page number for discerning? Do you have a better source than my hard copy Oxford English dictionary, long considered a reliable source on virtually every forum I have ever been on for the last 35 years?

Ummm... let me see.
A printed copy is already out of date before it even gets to print.
So I use the online version - always kept up to date, sometimes to the minute.
So technically, the online version is more recent and up-to-date; Ergo, more accurate.

You want the OED?
Oxford English Dictionary: A woman who has many casual sexual partners.
Synonyms include: model, escort, masseuse.
More?
Cambridge Dictionary: slang disapproving a woman who has sexual relationships with a lot of men without any emotional involvement.

Urban Dictionary: One who engages in sexual activity with a large number of persons, occasionally simultaneously.
Also mentioned: Also refers to one who engages in sexual activity outside of a long-term relationship within the duration of said relationship.

Wiki: Slut is a term for a woman or girl who is considered to have loose sexual morals or who is sexually promiscuous.
It also goes on to state: With BDSM, polyamorous, and non-monogamous people, in usage taken from the book The Ethical Slut, the term has been used as an expression of choice to openly have multiple partners, and revel in that choice.
We are on a kink site, Yes? So I take the kink definition - which is a perfect fit.

As for that number that you're asking for?
There isn't a definitive and exact number.
You'll notice all of the definitions just say "many" or "a lot"; not an exact number.
So the 'number' would be open to interpretation to the reader.
You'll also note that there is not much else in the way of qualification for the word, just that there is more than one; no mention of selection or discernment.

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Providing legitimate cites to show she is disowning the meaning of the word is not being a cyber bully.

You are what you have always appeared to be. My opinion of you has never changed..it has only been validated.

Gretas sex life does not meet the OED definition of slut

Umm... actually, it does, at least one of the definitions.
And the Cambridge Dictionary, The Urban Dictionary, Wiki.... etc etc.

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but even if it did, she does not want to be referred to in that fashion. That is the fact. You admit to being a cyber bully. That is the fact.

I admit nothing of the sort.
You made the accusation, I absolutely denied it.
So no, not a fact at all - just your failed assertion.

I don't disagree that Greta has every right not to like the word.
What I am arguing is that she can't disown the meaning of it just because she doesn't like it.
And I referred to Greta's other post where this whole argument stems from.
I am just pointing out that despite the fact that Greta dislikes and disowns the word, she does in fact fit one of the descriptions.

Just as I replied to Ish - I just checked her post again.
The guy clearly said he had a "conservative and committed" view on relationships and wouldn't marry a slut like her.
He further went on to say "However, I do appreciate your honesty about your lifestyle. You'd probably be one hell of a great friend to hang with. But for me......you have too much dick history".
So it shows he took a disapproving tone but I didn't read it as derogatory or offensive.

To me, that is a very clear use of the word in its proper descriptive form (even in kink situations).
She went on to disown that description.
If the shoe fits etc etc; whether she likes the word is irrelevant, it's still a shoe that fits and the kink description contained in Wiki is a perfect match.



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RE: Don't Women Want The Same Things As Men? - 10/28/2016 10:54:38 PM   
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So the nice mr conservative man thinks its ok to email her with "just "the dictionary term". just being neighbourly like?.

FD you are losing your marbles over this....You seem to have this problem with women who practise sexual freedom. Get over yourself dood



It's not me.

Greta is disowning the word and its meaning because she doesn't like it.
She has every right to not like it.
What she can't do is disown the word and its meaning - one of which actually fits her perfectly.

People are piling on me because I didn't read what she posted as being offensive.
So people are now making wars between me and my opinion and Greta's opinion of what she posted.
My whole argument here is the definition of the word.
I have no argument with Greta or her right to not like the use of it.
I'm not using it at her - just the definition of it.


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RE: Don't Women Want The Same Things As Men? - 10/29/2016 12:01:24 AM   
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If a man wants sex, all he has to do is join a site and pay a woman for it.
If a man wants to just cuddle, there are sites for that too.
I know one woman who will kiss for $$ per hour.
Holding hands, cuddling, kissing, etc... is all available for a man for a price.

However, don't women want these things too?
Or is it just these activities are overly abundant for women that they don't have to pay for it?
Our society feeds men a bunch of misinformation which turns them into romantic fucking failures.

Every man should be required to study pickup. Eliminating the worshipful, unhelpful attitudes towards women that the majority of men possess would do more to get them pussy than money ever could.

Once you can see women as dirty bitches who want to be fucked, your ability to actually fuck them will improve 1000%.


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RE: Don't Women Want The Same Things As Men? - 10/29/2016 12:11:20 AM   
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What you're doing isn't any different than if you had a black friend who politely told you he didn't appreciated being called a nigger, and you then arguing with him "But it's what you ARE. Look here: the dictionary says that it's a term for black people."
I'd disagree with that.

A racial pejorative is essentially an assault on someone's identity as a product of their DNA and is a loaded term used by a social class which enslaved an ethnic identity and taught despite for that identity.

Calling someone a slut is a commentary on their behaviour. We see commentary on behaviour in here all the time. Respectmen is subject to endless reams of abuse for his behaviour and that's considered entirely justified. Why? Because he's as obsessive about the MRM as Tweakabelle is about her "gender is a social construct" rants?

Greta is promiscuous and uses men. For both sex and anything else she can get out of them. She prides herself on her lack of reciprocation for all they do for her. She's a slut... and frankly, something of a cunt, to boot. If she finds that offensive, but insists on continually bringing up her sexual attitudes on the board, then there's really not much anyone can do. She's going to get judged for it. Which means she either has to let it drop or harden up and stop caring what anonymous internet people think of her.







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RE: Don't Women Want The Same Things As Men? - 10/29/2016 12:46:07 AM   
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wicked likes a bit of a screaming nymphomaniac himself and can be a complete slut with the right person. Which is why, dear reader, my hovel hasn't seen one bint through the door this year - a cat3astrophe....and you say catastrophe exactly like this mutters urgh what song was it.. Natural Corruption https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U1vP8GQwV6Y

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RE: Don't Women Want The Same Things As Men? - 10/29/2016 7:12:48 AM   
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The whole issue the the word slut is that it is entirely derogatory towards any woman that does exactly the same as a man, who in turn would be totally congratulated by other men for his behaviour.

So fuck off with your judgement of Greta. She is doing what Billions of men before her have done, and yet when it's been men it's been just fine and fricking dandy. If she was a guy talking like she does in here you wouldn't bat an eyelid at her. No, she'd just be another one of the dudes chatting it up about the bitches.

The hypocrisy is amazing, and you know what, still expected in the external realms of society where people just can't grasp the idea that some women can actually fuck just like a man, and treat you all just the way most of you have been treating us women for most of your damn existence. Yet in here you'd think you'd be a bit more enlightened, and rather more evolved.

Grow the fuck up!

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RE: Don't Women Want The Same Things As Men? - 10/29/2016 7:20:25 AM   
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What you're doing isn't any different than if you had a black friend who politely told you he didn't appreciated being called a nigger, and you then arguing with him "But it's what you ARE. Look here: the dictionary says that it's a term for black people."
I'd disagree with that.

A racial pejorative is essentially an assault on someone's identity as a product of their DNA and is a loaded term used by a social class which enslaved an ethnic identity and taught despite for that identity.

Calling someone a slut is a commentary on their behaviour. We see commentary on behaviour in here all the time. Respectmen is subject to endless reams of abuse for his behaviour and that's considered entirely justified. Why? Because he's as obsessive about the MRM as Tweakabelle is about her "gender is a social construct" rants?

Greta is promiscuous and uses men. For both sex and anything else she can get out of them. She prides herself on her lack of reciprocation for all they do for her. She's a slut... and frankly, something of a cunt, to boot. If she finds that offensive, but insists on continually bringing up her sexual attitudes on the board, then there's really not much anyone can do. She's going to get judged for it. Which means she either has to let it drop or harden up and stop caring what anonymous internet people think of her.








The 16th called, it wants its witch hunts back.

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RE: Don't Women Want The Same Things As Men? - 10/29/2016 7:23:16 AM   
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ORIGINAL: ilovestarbucks

If a man wants sex, all he has to do is join a site and pay a woman for it.
If a man wants to just cuddle, there are sites for that too.
I know one woman who will kiss for $$ per hour.
Holding hands, cuddling, kissing, etc... is all available for a man for a price.

However, don't women want these things too?
Or is it just these activities are overly abundant for women that they don't have to pay for it?
Our society feeds men a bunch of misinformation which turns them into romantic fucking failures.

Every man should be required to study pickup. Eliminating the worshipful, unhelpful attitudes towards women that the majority of men possess would do more to get them pussy than money ever could.

Once you can see women as dirty bitches who want to be fucked, your ability to actually fuck them will improve 1000%.




< Message edited by Greatlilbabygirl -- 10/29/2016 7:24:34 AM >

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