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RE: Endless emails, be very afraid - 1/8/2017 1:59:28 AM   
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ORIGINAL: Real0ne
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ORIGINAL: dreamlady
I get what you're saying, but when it comes to matters of the heart, 'efficiency' doesn't really factor in.
"Efficiency" has to do with a business transaction.


ah but there are no matters of heart between 2 people in an introduction stage, there is just info.

Au contraire, padawan. If you are seeking a heart connection, then you must put out the right feelers.
There is no such thing as postponing the taking of a romantic approach.

Whether a Domme is seeking a romantic connection or not, she will still expect (want) to be wooed and courted.

If you were being sought after by an employer, with your being in the catbird's seat, you would still want to be wooed and vetted.
(And you ain't getting any sexual intimacy or long-term commitment out of the deal either.)

Make no mistake, a Domme at nearly any age is irrefutably in the catbird's seat, given how outnumbered we are by (sub-fevered and sub-frenzied) subs.
The analogy fits since I am referring to male submissives being in the position of supplicant.
The basic difference is, with a D/s a submissive suitor remains the supplicant, whereas your employer is a temporary suitor who will probably end up owning you and not the other way around.
Worst case scenario, you whore yourself out to the almighty dollar.


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ORIGINAL: Real0ne
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ORIGINAL: dreamlady
Elsewhere you posted that you are looking for a romantic relationship with a Domme, not casual BDSM play.

Well you see that is the problem once again with text, it led you to zero in and believe romance is the 'primary' factor and while its very important, the primary focus its not, however no interest in casual play you did get correct.

I'm sensing a wishy-washy backpedal here. Either you're in it as a suitor or you're not.
This is not about putting all your eggs in one basket.

Listen, I can tell that you (and I) have been around the block a few times.
You are essentially saying - and rightly so - that you are not interested in becoming an insta-sub to an insta-Domme, yet you are looking for shortcuts. That spells out business transaction.
Worse case scenario, you are unwittingly objectifying the Domme and making her feel like a sexual fetish object of your desire.

Ironically, I'm sure you're one of these guys who turns tail and runs from those Dommes who do treat BDSM like a business transaction.
Whether you realize it or not, you could be doing the very same thing in being impersonal, detached emotionally, or less than eagerly accommodating her wishes in your preliminary dealings that you would ordinarily object to, as in "She just wants me for my money (and/or the materialistic trappings of success), not for my [awesome] self."


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ORIGINAL: Real0ne
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ORIGINAL: dreamlady
This means you shouldn't waste your time with any Lady who is not seeking a romantic, sensual sub.

Agreed however......its not that easy, most profiles give no indication as to where they stand on romance.

The buzzwords to look for are LTR FLR, Sensual Domme-Domina, sensual sub, sex slave, boytoy. . . stuff like that.
Whereas, No sexual contact, service sub, having an opening for another sub (her sexual needs are being met already by her primary and/or secondary partners), insistence upon keeping you locked up in chastity -- those phrases generally preclude physically intimate interactions.

Let me be clear that a Domme could desire romantic interactions but prohibit sexuality. Makes no sense to me, but some F/m dynamics are based upon the build-up of erotic tension without mutual sexual release.


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ORIGINAL: Real0ne
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ORIGINAL: dreamlady
Bottom line, bud, if she doesn't start flirting with you, then she's not into you. Period.

Thats not exactly correct either. On occasion I have gotten into a fight with a Domme through a misunderstanding in the first email and no flirtation took place what so ever and we both ended up meeting. Turned out it wasnt in the cards but we still met had a good time otherwise.

Sure it is. You got friend-zoned. There was no sexual chemistry between the two of you, no love connection.

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ORIGINAL: Real0ne
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ORIGINAL: dreamlady
IF there is interest on my part, then if he doesn't start flirting back or else show me that he has a sense of humor, then I quickly lose interest.

I dont know what you see in your minds eye as 'flirting'? We may see 2 completely different things and incorrectly think we are on the same page lol

True, that.

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ORIGINAL: Real0ne
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ORIGINAL: dreamlady
He can still get vocal with a cleave gag.

Well get better equipment, like a pump gag and hood! LOL

You springing?
(See, that was flirting. Kinda.)


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ORIGINAL: Real0ne

I rarely 'initiate' talk about kink until several phone calls down the road. I reject using lust as a carrot to spawn a relationship, at least until it looks like it can come to RL fruition. My approach is if we cant make it RL nilla, we damn sure cant make it in RL nilla+bdsm.

But then you mentioned how play went South when you flew out to meet up with psycho-Domme, before taking the time to get to know her better in person.
I'm truly sorry to hear about that and I only heard the short version, but why are you jumping into BDSM play with a total stranger?
You can't have it both ways and get the results you are supposedly seeking.

Then, you go on to recount:


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ORIGINAL: Real0ne
Purty much. I only had to rip up one plane ticket so far and that was when she told me everything she had in store for me the day before departure, every last bit of it was outside agreed boundaries.

Sounds like a play date hook-up to me, unless I'm missing a chapter and verse here.

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RE: Endless emails, be very afraid - 1/8/2017 6:07:15 AM   
Real0ne


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ORIGINAL: dreamlady
Au contraire, padawan. If you are seeking a heart connection, then you must put out the right feelers.
There is no such thing as postponing the taking of a romantic approach.


Oh but there is. I can see it now, romance on first email. not. Now insta-lust, that exists. All one can do is simply confirm romance is a mutually desired quality, and let everything flow from there naturally.

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ORIGINAL: dreamlady
Whether a Domme is seeking a romantic connection or not, she will still expect (want) to be wooed and courted.


Yeh as usual something for nothing.

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ORIGINAL: dreamlady
If you were being sought after by an employer, with your being in the catbird's seat, you would still want to be wooed and vetted.
(And you ain't getting any sexual intimacy or long-term commitment out of the deal either.)


Maybe when I was a kid.

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ORIGINAL: dreamlady
Make no mistake, a Domme at nearly any age is irrefutably in the catbird's seat, given how outnumbered we are by (sub-fevered and sub-frenzied) subs.


Not so. Doesnt matter how many fish are in the pond if you have to throw them all back. Cognitive dissonance.

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ORIGINAL: dreamlady
The analogy fits since I am referring to male submissives being in the position of supplicant.
The basic difference is, with a D/s a submissive suitor remains the supplicant, whereas your employer is a temporary suitor who will probably end up owning you and not the other way around.


Sure for cyber play, when its real that does not happen till well after phone and real time is underway.

Yes I own myself ;)

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ORIGINAL: dreamlady
Worst case scenario, you whore yourself out to the almighty dollar.


Nope not me.

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ORIGINAL: dreamlady
I'm sensing a wishy-washy backpedal here. Either you're in it as a suitor or you're not.
This is not about putting all your eggs in one basket.


LOL
No back pedal what so ever. I pointed out more than one basket, not only romance but other reasons. You are putting things in one basket. However you are correct not an insta sub by any means.

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ORIGINAL: dreamlady
You are essentially saying - and rightly so - that you are not interested in becoming an insta-sub to an insta-Domme, yet you are looking for shortcuts.


No shortcuts what so ever. Just because I am not willing to waste time with endless emails does not rquate to taking a short cut.

Once again there is a limit to what can be reasonably learned using email and once that plateau is reached its the end of the line as far as I am concerned and time to move forward or move on.

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ORIGINAL: dreamlady
That spells out business transaction.
Worse case scenario, you are unwittingly objectifying the Domme and making her feel like a sexual fetish object of your desire.


Wrong analogy, and again you are back to fetishes and kink and I am about nilla too. Dommes that focus on bdsm above interpersonal relationship objectify themselves. please refrain from projecting. ;)

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ORIGINAL: dreamlady

Ironically, I'm sure you're one of these guys who turns tail and runs from those Dommes who do treat BDSM like a business transaction.


correct unless they are angling for a nilla relationship in the mix.

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ORIGINAL: dreamlady
Whether you realize it or not, you could be doing the very same thing in being impersonal, detached emotionally, or less than eagerly accommodating her wishes in your preliminary dealings that you would ordinarily object to, as in "She just wants me for my money (and/or the materialistic trappings of success), not for my [awesome] self."



Again you are describing an insta sub situation if you expect all this eagerly to happen in the email stage. Ice is getting a bit thin.

A lot of Dommes, in fact most out here are freeloaders.

I never said anything about being impersonal and detached, thats your design, emails are impersonal and detached, compared to phone which is better but not as good as in person.


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ORIGINAL: dreamlady
The buzzwords to look for are LTR FLR, Sensual Domme-Domina, sensual sub, sex slave, boytoy. . . stuff like that.
Whereas, No sexual contact, service sub, having an opening for another sub (her sexual needs are being met already by her primary and/or secondary partners), insistence upon keeping you locked up in chastity -- those phrases generally preclude physically intimate interactions.

Let me be clear that a Domme could desire romantic interactions but prohibit sexuality. Makes no sense to me, but some F/m dynamics are based upon the build-up of erotic tension without mutual sexual release.



Thanks but I am not a noob.

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ORIGINAL: dreamlady
Sure it is. You got friend-zoned. There was no sexual chemistry between the two of you, no love connection.


Of course not, never when dealbreakers are discovered, it had nothing to do with sex, or bdsm. You seem to be on a fishing expedition and are getting it all wrong.


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ORIGINAL: dreamlady

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ORIGINAL: Real0ne

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ORIGINAL: dreamlady

He can still get vocal with a cleave gag.



Well get better equipment, like a pump gag and hood! LOL



You springing?
(See, that was flirting. Kinda.)


Doors open, <-- so was that :)


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ORIGINAL: dreamlady
But then you mentioned how play went South when you flew out to meet up with psycho-Domme, before taking the time to get to know her better in person.

I'm truly sorry to hear about that and I only heard the short version, but why are you jumping into BDSM play with a total stranger?


I dont fly across the US before taking the time to get to know someone to my satisfaction.

I did nothing bdsm with psycho-domme

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ORIGINAL: dreamlady
Sounds like a play date hook-up to me, unless I'm missing a chapter and verse here.


You are confused, I am talking about 3 different dommes, you have them all thrown togther and this has become all about me instead of endless emails.

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RE: Endless emails, be very afraid - 1/8/2017 11:10:15 AM   
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ORIGINAL: Real0ne
LP, it does not matter to me, that is a side issue that DL brought up nothing to do with endless emails. Endless emails have nothing to do with a hidden profile 'after the fact' when its not hidden at the time I write to them and typicaly not through the duration I am conversing with them.

Its simply a moot point that has no value in this convo.

Even if that were my reason who cares? It has no bearing on endless emails. No I I literally never get nasty email, only those who agree, or have additional comments usually.

So, are you saying you do turn it on when you have started conversing with someone? I mean, at least long enough for them to see it after you've sent an initial email? One of the things that you've said is about one of the ways you are (to you) wasting time with the endless emails is about having to write full biographies, so that could alleviate that part.

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Right, and I thank you, I am nearly always very polite in email, I found you quite cordial as well, and I do understand the intense issues you were dealing with.

As a side note for conversation's sake, I think some folks would be completely surprised about some names who are actually *very* nice via private emails. It's kind of nice when it turns out that way.

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Its not my age, but the idea you referred to yourself as community and I been around since the largest munch in chitown was 10-20 people LOL

This is a funny thing because, every now and again, I still talk with people and tell them about 'way back' munches I've been to where I was literally the only female Dominant in the room. Something that, unless a person were in a really little town or it was a munch that was just starting up would never happen again today. (Of course, back then, I really didn't know crap about what I was doing, so I'm sure it wasn't really a plus for anyone. LOL.)
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Nothing like you females get. If I were a female my profile would get turned on for 5 minutes and off for 5 days LOL

Again, another thing for conversation's sake. If I were new here, being female, I wouldn't make my profile visible for the first sixty days. I've never been a fan of the fresh meat alert (aka 'newest local users' function). Great way to get any new female bombarded with emails that have a huge majority of trash content. I'm sure it has issues for men as well, because I'm sure the scammers make full use of it. Yeah, let's just paint targets on people.

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yeh I've done needles but its one of those things I only do because my Domme would be into it, not because I get much of anything out of it.

It's the comparison that I use because there are good portion of people out there who are not into it. While I don't think it discounts me from potential play partners in it's entirety, I hope it serves the purpose of illustrating that there are some perfectly legitimate kinks that are fun for some people while being a hard limit for others.

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Fin isnt a kink, its a handout service.

Unfortunately, we have to disagree in this area. Having met some of the men who are totally into it, I have trouble putting it *always* into the scam category. I think it's closer to the thing about how there are actually fin kinksters/fin Dommes and fin ducks. I'm not saying I put faith in every 22 year old that is looking to cash in on the fact that she's got a hot bod, so please don't think that's what I mean by it.

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Ok skills are good, but they teach things like that at the munches.

Well, not at munches, but I do consider it one of the benefits of the rt community. However, there's also that section of people that don't do those kind of events where I'd really rather see them get *some* education on a forum, rather than no where at all. While I'm not big (for myself) to believe that just because I've read something that I'm competent to do it, I consider background info at least a place to start. Plus, I think there's an advantage to an interactive forum, rather than manifestos coming down from 'on high' about, 'yeah, do it this way and you'll be perfectly fine'. Look at how that whole DOWF thing went down with the 'solar branding' deal. In my personal opinion, that person was not qualified to be conducting that play, much less presenting on it.

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Well once things get rolling it rare I dont get into some ridiculously heavy discussions, and I have learned the hard way go to phone or drop it. Take a look at my last response to Dl, it demonstrates one of a number of forms where text (email) fails. Now the typical Domme out here flashing her titties on the profile with at least a page per day of emails, 99% of which are bullshit and invariably they wind up doing quick reads and quick reads do not work once the convo get serious and requires accurate understanding and that is exactly what happens and blows the whole ordeal to hell.

I had actually wanted to address some of the points in your exchange with DL last night but truthfully, I was pretty exhausted after coming home from the club, so I wasn't at my best. (Big clue, my last response on the thread wasn't even in my signature font.)

I do happen to be a fan of emails, to some extent. Even the obvious reason in my case aside, I just find the communication method convenient. As egotistical as it sounds, I can write/respond to emails on my timetable. I also consider myself odd because I *schedule* phone calls. (Some people on the forums know this.) I want to be in the situation where the background noise is minimal, I'm not being interrupted when my time is allocated for myself or other people, and basically, I'm not doing 'something else'. (I'll spare you my own, personal rant about this.)

Even as a fan of emails, I don't think it's the end all/be all of everything. Yes, I do believe that they can be at least partially helpful as a screening tool. There are certain personality traits that my stalker had that, I'll tell ya, if I see them in an email exchange, I won't go near that sh^t again with a ten foot pole. The only reason that Engie and (the former) tk got into my life at all is because they assured me that stuff would not happen in ways that **I** deemed necessary.

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I have gotten back responses so bad they didnt even match the convo on any level. Not one point. I dont have the patience for that foolishness any more.

I'm not terribly sure how to address this. As you may or not be aware, I have certain guidelines for my email interactions now that I never had before the stalking thing. If you're not aware, here's the quick list:

* I know you. We've met in person and you are not one of my stalker's sympathizers. I do not give an ever loving sh^t about the sob stories he has told you or you believe his BS "I'm such a nice guy" routine. There is no GD difference to me between being a stalker's "supporter" than any other consent violator's supporter going. What is a stalker other than this? If you, as a submissive, were in a play space that told a person "no"/I don't want to engage/leave me alone/ stop doing that/safe word or any other aspect of this, nobody would bat an eye that your consent had been violated.

* We know (as in having met face to face) with another person in common. To me, you are at least, the walking
/talking person you claim to be.

* Your screen name has been active for the past five years or so. There is a trick that some of us know about 'taking over' an old screen name. Don't fall for his stuff. Only unethical people do it.

I will also tell you that I respond to emails on Fet way more frequently that I do here because I think Fet has certain advantages. Way better than here. Are the other person's friends, really "friends," as in people they interact with? Have people met them or are they going to events? What do their writings include and do they have certain behaviors that should be avoided? Do people know them and should they be scrapped *before* interacting with them? Were they a part of "groups" that kicked them out?

In your case, specifically, I'd look for certain 'groups' they belong to. Are they on a fin kink group? Maybe the 'pro' classifieds? For you, I'd say any reference to wallet raping, "rinsing," or human ATM kind of stuff. I won't go so far as to say avoid people who have an Amazon wish list, because that can go both ways. While I, personally, don't get into that (because anybody who knows me *should* know what to buy me for my birthday) some people do take that route.


I don't want you to take away from this thread that I don't sympathize with you. I think people who do the 'catfishing' thing (disgusting that we have to have a term for that) aren't the best people on the planet and nobody wants to be on the receiving end of that. Hopefully, you *will* take something away from this thread that helps you in your endeavors.


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RE: Endless emails, be very afraid - 1/8/2017 11:20:09 AM   
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RE: Endless emails, be very afraid - 1/8/2017 12:35:30 PM   
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ah yes with bread dumplings smothered in butter!

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RE: Endless emails, be very afraid - 1/8/2017 1:38:13 PM   
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ORIGINAL: LadyPact

So, are you saying you do turn it on when you have started conversing with someone? I mean, at least long enough for them to see it after you've sent an initial email? One of the things that you've said is about one of the ways you are (to you) wasting time with the endless emails is about having to write full biographies, so that could alleviate that part.



Speaking of the devil I read this in a couples profile just last night:

"It is odd on this site how if you want to visit on the phone slaves disappear. Hmm must be my breath"

I had to chuckle.

Sure, I turn it on 'prior', leave it on during, point being that I dont play hide and seek from the person I am trying to contact. In some cases I do turn it off if they appear to have a continual need to look at it, just to see how much they can remember, but I do tell them up front I am turning it off ;)

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ORIGINAL: LadyPact

As a side note for conversation's sake, I think some folks would be completely surprised about some names who are actually *very* nice via private emails. It's kind of nice when it turns out that way.



Suffice to say, the forums, especially PR are not a very good gauge.

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ORIGINAL: LadyPact

Of course, back then, I really didn't know crap about what I was doing, so I'm sure it wasn't really a plus for anyone. LOL.



yep the landscape was pretty barren, in many ways still is.

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ORIGINAL: LadyPact

I've never been a fan of the fresh meat alert



Yep and I dont write anyone on page 1 either.

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ORIGINAL: LadyPact

I hope it serves the purpose of illustrating that there are some perfectly legitimate kinks



Sure I'd agree with that.

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ORIGINAL: LadyPact

Unfortunately, we have to disagree in this area. Having met some of the men who are totally into it, I have trouble putting it *always* into the scam category. I think it's closer to the thing about how there are actually fin kinksters/fin Dommes and fin ducks.



Receiving handouts does not qualify as a fetish, especially since every person on the planet would happily accept something for nothing. Just because people sare into it doesnt legitimately qualify it to be a fetish. To make the point people are into prostitution so why not call prostitution a fetish as well? Any time money changes hands its commercial, a service, and taxable by the irs.

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ORIGINAL: LadyPact

Well, not at munches, but I do consider it one of the benefits of the rt community. However, there's also that section of people that don't do those kind of events where I'd really rather see them get *some* education on a forum, rather than no where at all. While I'm not big (for myself) to believe that just because I've read something that I'm competent to do it, I consider background info at least a place to start. Plus, I think there's an advantage to an interactive forum, rather than manifestos coming down from 'on high' about, 'yeah, do it this way and you'll be perfectly fine'. Look at how that whole DOWF thing went down with the 'solar branding' deal. In my personal opinion, that person was not qualified to be conducting that play, much less presenting on it.



Well relating back to the chitown munches of years past, we'd have demonstrations, on do's and dont's, and Dom(mes) would have practice subs to learn the technique and how to play safetly. It grew very large, and eventually had to rent 500 capacity lounges.

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ORIGINAL: LadyPact

I do happen to be a fan of emails, to some extent.



It would be an incorrect conclusion to think I am not a fan of email, however like everything in life it has a place which it applies very well, to stretch beyond that point has diminishing or negative returns for those seeking ltr flr tpe etc because human interaction is far too complex. Like I have been saying they do work great for an initial introduction.


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ORIGINAL: LadyPact

I'm not terribly sure how to address this.



Sure, and it happens often, its like they are talking with someone else entirely. I dont cease to respond at that point. Theres no point ;)

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ORIGINAL: LadyPact

I don't want you to take away from this thread that I don't sympathize with you. I think people who do the 'catfishing' thing (disgusting that we have to have a term for that) aren't the best people on the planet and nobody wants to be on the receiving end of that. Hopefully, you *will* take something away from this thread that helps you in your endeavors.



I have, and I appreciate the participation of those like yourself who posted to further the discussion.

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RE: Endless emails, be very afraid - 1/9/2017 3:32:39 PM   
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Not to be totally off, but if you do want to talk on the phone and meet fairly quick, wouldn't munches and parties be a much better option? You could see the people upfront, if your problem is that people don't move at your speed, it just might be the wrong venue? Without joking, if you think it is a big enough problem for others too, maybe you should start a website like "3 emails then call"

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RE: Endless emails, be very afraid - 1/9/2017 8:51:42 PM   
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ORIGINAL: Real0ne
Speaking of the devil I read this in a couples profile just last night:

"It is odd on this site how if you want to visit on the phone slaves disappear. Hmm must be my breath"

I had to chuckle.

Have to admit, I found that amusing, too.

Though, I think couples who are unicorn hunting have a difficult time of it, too. There's absolutely a potential for some not so nice things there.

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Yep and I dont write anyone on page 1 either.

Not one I would have thought of, but ok.

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Receiving handouts does not qualify as a fetish, especially since every person on the planet would happily accept something for nothing. Just because people sare into it doesnt legitimately qualify it to be a fetish. To make the point people are into prostitution so why not call prostitution a fetish as well? Any time money changes hands its commercial, a service, and taxable by the irs.

Actually, some people do find prostitution/prostituting someone out as a fetish. Not that it always goes well or isn't damaging. There's a guy on trial in Portland right now for this very thing. How the case seems to be is very sad. I hope those gals get some closure if a conviction is obtained.

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Well relating back to the chitown munches of years past, we'd have demonstrations, on do's and dont's, and Dom(mes) would have practice subs to learn the technique and how to play safetly. It grew very large, and eventually had to rent 500 capacity lounges.

It's just a side note, but as I'm sure you know, it all depends on the venue. When the munches are held at the kink club, you've got it made to do your demo right with the munch. Vanilla restaurant, not so much.

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It would be an incorrect conclusion to think I am not a fan of email, however like everything in life it has a place which it applies very well, to stretch beyond that point has diminishing or negative returns for those seeking ltr flr tpe etc because human interaction is far too complex. Like I have been saying they do work great for an initial introduction.

It sounds to me that there should be a happy medium between allowing a person their comfort zone, while still staying within what you find reasonable. Even in discussing it with you, we obviously have a wide gap in what we each think is right. If using this site was the email exchanges, I can tell you that I'd feel three weeks to be giving someone my phone number as too quick, but I'd agree with you that six months is too long.

I do think most people who are hesitant to give out info like phone numbers are probably looking for certain things that make them feel more comfortable. I'm going to steal some old advice from one of the former posters. Offer yours first. If the other person sees that you are also acknowledging that there is risk, it can put them at ease. Also, consider offering other alternatives that might be better for someone who isn't too thrilled with offering personal information like phone numbers or home address.

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I have, and I appreciate the participation of those like yourself who posted to further the discussion.

That part is good. I hope you enjoyed the conversation.




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