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Lucylastic -> RE: inferior? (4/4/2017 10:45:25 AM)

theres a huge difference between fucking around without condoms and sex addicts.




NoirMetal -> RE: inferior? (4/4/2017 10:49:35 AM)


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ORIGINAL: Lucylastic

theres a huge difference between fucking around without condoms and sex addicts.

Well,"wandering penis" in any sort of covering is not that great a catch for most girls-are you dating one Lucy?




vincentML -> RE: inferior? (4/4/2017 10:53:32 AM)

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As a Dominant woman, or even as a top, I consider myself as having to attempt to sort out certain things. One of them, as many Dominant women have mentioned countless times over the years on the boards is, does this person really think this kind deal works the same way it does in porn. Is the person honestly mentally unhealthy, believing themselves to be a lesser human being?

Did they just make the mistake of leading with their kink first? It's hard to tell when people have only the stereotypes of porn to go on, so you have to wonder which of the categories that they are coming from.
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Let's stay with the original form of your question, LP, as none of us has reason to believe you are male-bashing here. Essentially, I take it you are asking is this guy authentic?

Isn't this question always asked in any real life (non-BDSM) environment as well. The lady is at a party where she is chatted up by a guy. Doesn't she wonder if he is authentic in the strictly male/female hetero mode of encounter? Seems to me that the answer in part depends on her motives. If she is out for an evening of entertainment and casual sex I think she might not question his authenticity as a sexual provider beyond the most rudimentary comments, given of course that he observes that she is obviously a classy lady who would be repelled by any sluttish approach. They pursue the game, have a night of fulfilling sex and closeness, and move on never to meet again.

Now suppose instead the classy lady was in search of a life partner and the chatting up got around to his earning power, stability, love of kids, etc., in the meanwhile the two are absolutely mesmerized one by the other, love at first sight. From there a whirlwind courtship evolves, meeting the families, engagement ring, by the end of two years they are married, by the end of three years they are parents, and in a few more years he is cheating on her with other women.

Was he not being authentic when they first met? Sure he was. So, what happened? All that authenticity was titrated by the production and flow of the bonding chemical Oxytocin produced in their brains. At first they both produced the love tonic in abundance. After the child was born the lady's oxytocin was produced almost exclusively in the presence of the child, and daddy was starting to feel left out. He sought bonding elsewhere. This does not happen in all cases but . . . 50% of marriages fail. And yet, each male was sincere and authentic at the start.

Let's apply the same scenario in a BDSM setting. Looking for play at a club? Almost any bullshit is tolerated.

Looking for a life mate or even a long term relationship? Take care. The Lady is a Domme. Let's assume she is a natural born Domme, if any patterns of social behavior are natural born. I am skeptical, I will confess.

But now her question is the authenticity of the submissive nature of her suitor. Was he born submissive (in female/male relationships)? Did he learn his submissiveness? And in learning it was it reinforced by repeated exposure to the theme in porn or even classic media? And by this reinforcement did he become addicted to the behavior? Could he make love without his kink?

Addictions present some common neurological behaviors, whether the addictions are substance abuse or compulsive behaviors, opium abuse or gambling, it doesn’t matter. There are a few neurotransmitters that are commonly triggered. The most formidable is the simple compound known as dopamine which is produced in the synapses between neurons. When it is released all stress is exhaled away. Cross-dressers report this commonly when they dress. The problem is that the original “high” -- the initial relief -- is never fully repeated, so the addict is constantly searching for his fix.

I have a lady friend who dated a dresser for several years. His addiction was so powerful he became irritated and domineering in his insistence that she follow his script, otherwise he fell into a most insufferable tantrum. The bottom line was that he could never put her pleasure first.

Another lady friend was married to a submissive guy for five years before she lost him to a heart attack. Theirs was clearly a female lead relationship. He accepted her decisions as final even if it had to do where he contracted his civil engineering business. She did not want him to travel too far. She explained that the kink was only a small but significant part of their relationship.

I hope my rambling was somewhat on point to your question, LP. Let me stop here lest I make a worse muddle of it, and pause for your replies.





NoirMetal -> RE: inferior? (4/4/2017 10:57:23 AM)

LP does make a good point.

And yes Vince,someone totally fixated on a fetish to the detriment of a well rounded relationship is going to have issues eventually. Most are so rigid they never get past the inbox.




Lucylastic -> RE: inferior? (4/4/2017 11:05:43 AM)


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ORIGINAL: NoirMetal


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ORIGINAL: Lucylastic

theres a huge difference between fucking around without condoms and sex addicts.

Well,"wandering penis" in any sort of covering is not that great a catch for most girls-are you dating one Lucy?

no, im not stupid.
Ive never had an STD, good management rather than luck.
My husband did 50 years ago, from his catholic ex wife
But professional and lifestyle experience has showed me that wandering penis/and pussy and stds covers all religions and kinks.








NoirMetal -> RE: inferior? (4/4/2017 11:21:09 AM)


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ORIGINAL: Lucylastic


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ORIGINAL: NoirMetal


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ORIGINAL: Lucylastic

theres a huge difference between fucking around without condoms and sex addicts.

Well,"wandering penis" in any sort of covering is not that great a catch for most girls-are you dating one Lucy?

no, im not stupid.
Ive never had an STD, good management rather than luck.
My husband did 50 years ago, from his catholic ex wife
But professional and lifestyle experience has showed me that wandering penis/and pussy and stds covers all religions and kinks.






I know. The point I am making is that you have to be careful in a person's priorities. If the sex seeking thrill is put before the welfare of the partner-it's never going to end well.




Lucylastic -> RE: inferior? (4/4/2017 11:24:50 AM)

not giving a damn about your own health is not tied to religion or political party
not giving a damn about your partners health is not tied to religion, or political party
For me its a deal breaker. not matter how amazing otherwise the person is.




NoirMetal -> RE: inferior? (4/4/2017 11:30:22 AM)

Lucy for the win,lets get back on topic :P




Lucylastic -> RE: inferior? (4/4/2017 12:00:06 PM)


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ORIGINAL: NoirMetal

Lucy for the win,lets get back on topic :P

It was on topic....
But then again, I couldnt be in a relationship with someone who believes in BDSM as simply being inferior or superior, thats supremacy and that is a personal preference.

Inferior has always meant to me to be substandard. Below par. Not a good thing, That was my basis before kink
I get the kink of supremacy I just dont believe in it. But I dont attack it. Sexually its fun, exploratory and arousing.
Using it as a justification to slag off someone elses orientation outside your own dynamic is sheer dumbfuckery.
And that is why it is specifically mentioned separately in the tos, when it was moderated.




tamaka -> RE: inferior? (4/4/2017 12:24:05 PM)


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ORIGINAL: NoirMetal

So tell me why a Top would want a person who described themselves this way?

Is it a staid stereotype-or don't they know Tops realize a wounded bird is a sucking black hole you will never find the bottom of?

Or is it just code for seeking a pro?



I don't know how inferior really fits into things aside from the idea of worship. There is a very 'common' need somehow programmed into humanity... the need to revere, be in awe of, be humble before, and to worship. I think for me, the only thing related to any sense of inferiority is the need to find that 'One' to look up to. And in my bdsm-side to life, most of what i experience is very spiritual in nature. Seeking the divine (to compliment my own sense of divinity). I think as you grow, at least for me, you end up finding most of what you seek in yourself. Others may be 'superior' to you, at least temporarily, as you meet them on the path and they help lead/guide you, at least for a while, along the way. As they say, when the student is ready, the teacher will appear.




needlesandpins -> RE: inferior? (4/4/2017 12:41:16 PM)


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ORIGINAL: stef


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ORIGINAL: needlesandpins

Wow, back in this forum for one whole day, after claiming to be leaving ... how's that working out for you? and being a hypocrite again already. Way to go, you.

Did tasocka threaten to leave again?



I'm not entire sure how many times this sock has threatened to leave now. I just found it curious that it had, seemed to have not posted in this particular forum, or the others I do, for the exact amount of time as RM, regardless of the fact that there were threads that usually both would have posted on in a heart beat, but then both posted on the same thread on the same day. Mind you, I don't frequent the likes of the P&R, so maybe they were snuggled up in there [;)]

Needles




vincentML -> RE: inferior? (4/4/2017 5:26:26 PM)

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I don't know how inferior really fits into things aside from the idea of worship. There is a very 'common' need somehow programmed into humanity... the need to revere, be in awe of, be humble before, and to worship. I think for me, the only thing related to any sense of inferiority is the need to find that 'One' to look up to. And in my bdsm-side to life, most of what i experience is very spiritual in nature.

I have had that experience, tamaka, but it is not a very common event and less so because you would have to find someone who was in sync with you to willingly and knowingly play and enjoy the complementary other. Not very likely and certainly not with a stranger.




vincentML -> RE: inferior? (4/4/2017 6:01:01 PM)

Just to add to the confusion of trying to figure out who we are, because I like to toss things into the broth, here is something you might not be aware of:

1. Identical twins do not always, maybe rarely, have the same genome:
Read Here

2. It is possible for one identical twin to be transgender. Meet Nicole and Jonas. Nicole was originally named Wyatt.

View Here After the commercial.

So, there is a lot we don't know about why we are who we are and why we do what we do. We shouldn't be so smug. [;)]




tamaka -> RE: inferior? (4/4/2017 6:06:22 PM)

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ORIGINAL: vincentML

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I don't know how inferior really fits into things aside from the idea of worship. There is a very 'common' need somehow programmed into humanity... the need to revere, be in awe of, be humble before, and to worship. I think for me, the only thing related to any sense of inferiority is the need to find that 'One' to look up to. And in my bdsm-side to life, most of what i experience is very spiritual in nature.

I have had that experience, tamaka, but it is not a very common event and less so because you would have to find someone who was in sync with you to willingly and knowingly play and enjoy the complementary other. Not very likely and certainly not with a stranger.


Actually... they don't. You can access the 'God' or force or universal conscience or whatever 'it' is through the other person without that person ever really knowing. Just like you can choose to speak to the 'higher self' in each person you meet. You just have to have made that breakthrough of finding your own higher-self. Once you have done so and become cognitively aware of it, you can choose to do it with anyone, anytime you want to.




vincentML -> RE: inferior? (4/4/2017 8:12:51 PM)


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ORIGINAL: tamaka

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ORIGINAL: vincentML

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I don't know how inferior really fits into things aside from the idea of worship. There is a very 'common' need somehow programmed into humanity... the need to revere, be in awe of, be humble before, and to worship. I think for me, the only thing related to any sense of inferiority is the need to find that 'One' to look up to. And in my bdsm-side to life, most of what i experience is very spiritual in nature.

I have had that experience, tamaka, but it is not a very common event and less so because you would have to find someone who was in sync with you to willingly and knowingly play and enjoy the complementary other. Not very likely and certainly not with a stranger.


Actually... they don't. You can access the 'God' or force or universal conscience or whatever 'it' is through the other person without that person ever really knowing. Just like you can choose to speak to the 'higher self' in each person you meet. You just have to have made that breakthrough of finding your own higher-self. Once you have done so and become cognitively aware of it, you can choose to do it with anyone, anytime you want to.


Aww. . . help me out here. That seems very exploitative of your partner.




tamaka -> RE: inferior? (4/4/2017 8:26:53 PM)


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ORIGINAL: vincentML


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ORIGINAL: tamaka

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ORIGINAL: vincentML

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I don't know how inferior really fits into things aside from the idea of worship. There is a very 'common' need somehow programmed into humanity... the need to revere, be in awe of, be humble before, and to worship. I think for me, the only thing related to any sense of inferiority is the need to find that 'One' to look up to. And in my bdsm-side to life, most of what i experience is very spiritual in nature.

I have had that experience, tamaka, but it is not a very common event and less so because you would have to find someone who was in sync with you to willingly and knowingly play and enjoy the complementary other. Not very likely and certainly not with a stranger.


Actually... they don't. You can access the 'God' or force or universal conscience or whatever 'it' is through the other person without that person ever really knowing. Just like you can choose to speak to the 'higher self' in each person you meet. You just have to have made that breakthrough of finding your own higher-self. Once you have done so and become cognitively aware of it, you can choose to do it with anyone, anytime you want to.


Aww. . . help me out here. That seems very exploitative of your partner.


Well in my case it isn't because i am able to worship both my Master (the Man) and God (that's how i refer to Him). Just as i am able to carry on a conversation with someone's higher self while simultaneously addressing the lower self. It is just something i am able to do. So for me and my Master, He is my 'God' and simultaneously He is my conduit to the higher 'almighty" God. That is possible because divinity is within Him. ... We are one with the One.




LadyDemura -> RE: inferior? (4/5/2017 12:35:09 AM)

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ORIGINAL: vincentML

Just to add to the confusion of trying to figure out who we are, because I like to toss things into the broth, here is something you might not be aware of:

1. Identical twins do not always, maybe rarely, have the same genome:
Read Here

2. It is possible for one identical twin to be transgender. Meet Nicole and Jonas. Nicole was originally named Wyatt.

View Here After the commercial.

So, there is a lot we don't know about why we are who we are and why we do what we do. We shouldn't be so smug. [;)]


Thanks for posting this. Would have loved to have grown up in the environment Nicole grew up in.

Laverne Cox also has an identical twin brother that is not trans. I wonder if either set has been tested for being the same genome. According to the video, as preparing for college, "for the first time, the twins will be alone"...seems the results of such test might mean there's more to this than nature OR nurture, or else could isolate the gene(s).




vincentML -> RE: inferior? (4/5/2017 7:18:44 AM)


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ORIGINAL: LadyDemura

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ORIGINAL: vincentML

Just to add to the confusion of trying to figure out who we are, because I like to toss things into the broth, here is something you might not be aware of:

1. Identical twins do not always, maybe rarely, have the same genome:
Read Here

2. It is possible for one identical twin to be transgender. Meet Nicole and Jonas. Nicole was originally named Wyatt.

View Here After the commercial.

So, there is a lot we don't know about why we are who we are and why we do what we do. We shouldn't be so smug. [;)]


Thanks for posting this. Would have loved to have grown up in the environment Nicole grew up in.

Laverne Cox also has an identical twin brother that is not trans. I wonder if either set has been tested for being the same genome. According to the video, as preparing for college, "for the first time, the twins will be alone"...seems the results of such test might mean there's more to this than nature OR nurture, or else could isolate the gene(s).

Lady D, there is just no way the Daines children and the Cox twins could have the same genome. It would violate all the laws of genetics we have struggled to learn. But, if I am reading you correctly, you are suggesting that they may share a factor that allows for one member of the set to transgender. In its simplicity that is a brilliant suggestion. Maybe some day you will receive the Nobel Prize in Science. Seriously. But, I doubt if we are advanced enough in our knowledge to find that needle in a haystack today. And, I think all identical twins genomes would have to be tested repeatedly from birth onward to have comparison sets, or "controls" as they are called, twins with a transgender versus twins without a transgender. A monumental task but we put people on the moon, didn't we? Great fun, Lady D. [;)] Excellent!!!




NoirMetal -> RE: inferior? (4/5/2017 7:21:07 AM)

As far as DNA goes Vince-I get the feeling that people are more interested in cloning a tyrannosaur than a transsexual at this point.




WhoreMods -> RE: inferior? (4/5/2017 10:01:14 AM)


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ORIGINAL: NoirMetal

As far as DNA goes Vince-I get the feeling that people are more interested in cloning a tyrannosaur than a transsexual at this point.

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