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RE: BLM NOT SO MUCH - 5/24/2017 7:24:46 PM   
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"The right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers, and effects, against unreasonable searches and seizures, shall not be violated, and no Warrants shall issue, but upon probable cause, supported by Oath or affirmation, and particularly describing the place to be searched, and the persons or things ...


Dont be communist nutsuckers and pussies. Be fucking Americans.



how exactly does the 4th Amendment play into this... like at all?
I'm curious.


The right of people to be secure in their persons..........think about it, dig up some information, instead of disinformation.

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RE: BLM NOT SO MUCH - 5/24/2017 7:31:33 PM   
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Explain then, the value of your input that only one in three people accumulating bullets actually die from the experience, and relevance to the matter at hand.

Why don't you see if you can figure it out for yourself....

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It would have been a simple matter of trying the less lethal method first instead of just choosing to execute the guy.

You're going a bit over the top there, Igor. As far as I can see, she never chose to "execute" anybody. Only about one in three gunshot wounds are fatal. Absent a reason to believe that she intentionally fatally wounded him, all you can accuse her of is choosing to fire.

Take your time, it's a tough one.


I would imagine that somebody with a 2 dollar steak for a brain would know all about tough.

So then, if it has been determined that running a red light in off hours at a particular intersection results in a crash only one third of the time, then the driver didn't intend to crash. The police and the insurance company say "we know you didn't mean to," so no ticket, and a check for the damage.

You are singlehandedly trying trying to throw out all charges and convictions for gun related murders and attempted murders, all by yourself, by way of the "I didn't mean to" defense. That's worked famously before, right?

And I'm the one who 'need meds' here?



Well if I had any doubt that you needed them, you wiped that away with the above post. Seriously a 2 dollar steak? That's the best you and your jr high buddies could come up with. LMFAO at the boy with his head in the clouds.

The only way you can get a 2 dollar steak is if you are a rustler or if the steak is the size of a quarter.

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RE: BLM NOT SO MUCH - 5/24/2017 7:39:53 PM   
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ORIGINAL: mnottertail

"The right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers, and effects, against unreasonable searches and seizures, shall not be violated, and no Warrants shall issue, but upon probable cause, supported by Oath or affirmation, and particularly describing the place to be searched, and the persons or things ...


Dont be communist nutsuckers and pussies. Be fucking Americans.



how exactly does the 4th Amendment play into this... like at all?
I'm curious.


The right of people to be secure in their persons..........think about it, dig up some information, instead of disinformation.


His situation, condition and behavior provided plenty of probable causd to justify both himself and his vehicle to be searched.

http://constitution.findlaw.com/amendment4/annotation03.html#2

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RE: BLM NOT SO MUCH - 5/24/2017 7:50:48 PM   
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The right of people to be secure in their persons..........think about it, dig up some information, instead of disinformation.


That is pure and raw disinformation right there.

The 4th Amendment not only doesn't say that, it was never meant to imply that or even suggest it. Attempting to twist the 4th Amendment of the US Constitution to mean what you want it to mean is not only disingenuous and ignorant, it is down right disrespectful.

So you can go screw right off you pathetic ignorant disrespectful shill of a boy.
How dare you try and twist Our constitution to fit your own stupid argument.

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RE: BLM NOT SO MUCH - 5/24/2017 10:30:51 PM   
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ORIGINAL: mnottertail

"The right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers, and effects, against unreasonable searches and seizures, shall not be violated, and no Warrants shall issue, but upon probable cause, supported by Oath or affirmation, and particularly describing the place to be searched, and the persons or things ...


Dont be communist nutsuckers and pussies. Be fucking Americans.



how exactly does the 4th Amendment play into this... like at all?
I'm curious.


The right of people to be secure in their persons..........think about it, dig up some information, instead of disinformation.


His situation, condition and behavior provided plenty of probable causd to justify both himself and his vehicle to be searched.

http://constitution.findlaw.com/amendment4/annotation03.html#2


what the fuck are you pissflapping about? search away, dont murder citizens.

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RE: BLM NOT SO MUCH - 5/24/2017 10:39:39 PM   
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The right of people to be secure in their persons..........think about it, dig up some information, instead of disinformation.


That is pure and raw disinformation right there.

The 4th Amendment not only doesn't say that, it was never meant to imply that or even suggest it. Attempting to twist the 4th Amendment of the US Constitution to mean what you want it to mean is not only disingenuous and ignorant, it is down right disrespectful.

So you can go screw right off you pathetic ignorant disrespectful shill of a boy.
How dare you try and twist Our constitution to fit your own stupid argument.

sorry you fucking pathetic and propaganda retard, it certainly does.

why dont you put the 4th amendment here?

so, you can go back to your little toilet stall you pathetic sick sad lying fucking sackless sucking calf, how dare you be such a fucking retarded pantshitting toiletlicker and buffoon.

The cop murdered the guy, end of story, and you defend it like the little nutsucker and coward you are. His life, his right of the people to be secure in their persons was seized unreasonably and you are a fuckwhistle of the lowest form of foetid shit.

oh, yeah, read Madisons notes, you fucking untutored cunt.

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RE: BLM NOT SO MUCH - 5/24/2017 10:42:52 PM   
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That's not what the jury said. Sorry, you lose.

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RE: BLM NOT SO MUCH - 5/24/2017 10:51:40 PM   
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I dont lose, I am not dead. Typical jury, unaware of the law, and scared shitless of the american gestapo.

The jury actually said, she was right to kill him because she had probable cause to search his car?

You want to show me that with a credible citation?



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RE: BLM NOT SO MUCH - 5/24/2017 10:57:29 PM   
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If he drove the car in the condition he was in he could have killed someone. If he had any kind of weapon in the car he could have killed somebody. If they said that the cop had probable cause to search, that means she had probable cause to believe he had some type of weapon. She is on the front line, her job is not to get herself killed.

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RE: BLM NOT SO MUCH - 5/24/2017 11:02:21 PM   
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and that is fine. probable cause to search is not probable cause to beleive he had a weapon. She shot him in cold blood, for no reason. As a citizen its my job not to get killed for no reason, so, I should be afforded the same milieu as a cop, they stop me and I have probable cause to think they are an asshole, I should be able to shoot them, because they have a gun, and probably will murder me.

Pretty much the argument here.

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RE: BLM NOT SO MUCH - 5/24/2017 11:03:29 PM   
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https://www.vox.com/2014/8/13/5994305/michael-brown-case-investigation-legal-police-kill-force-murder


Constitutionally, "police officers are allowed to shoot under two circumstances," says criminologist David Klinger of the University of Missouri St. Louis. The first circumstance is "to protect their life or the life of another innocent party" — what departments call the "defense-of-life" standard. The second circumstance is to prevent a suspect from escaping, but only if the officer has probable cause to think the suspect poses a dangerous threat to others.

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RE: BLM NOT SO MUCH - 5/25/2017 5:43:29 AM   
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ORIGINAL: InfoMan


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ORIGINAL: mnottertail

The right of people to be secure in their persons..........think about it, dig up some information, instead of disinformation.


That is pure and raw disinformation right there.

The 4th Amendment not only doesn't say that, it was never meant to imply that or even suggest it. Attempting to twist the 4th Amendment of the US Constitution to mean what you want it to mean is not only disingenuous and ignorant, it is down right disrespectful.

So you can go screw right off you pathetic ignorant disrespectful shill of a boy.
How dare you try and twist Our constitution to fit your own stupid argument.

sorry you fucking pathetic and propaganda retard, it certainly does.

why dont you put the 4th amendment here?

so, you can go back to your little toilet stall you pathetic sick sad lying fucking sackless sucking calf, how dare you be such a fucking retarded pantshitting toiletlicker and buffoon.

The cop murdered the guy, end of story, and you defend it like the little nutsucker and coward you are. His life, his right of the people to be secure in their persons was seized unreasonably and you are a fuckwhistle of the lowest form of foetid shit.

oh, yeah, read Madisons notes, you fucking untutored cunt.


That is not what the 4th amendment means, and Madison did not in any way ever imply that when he penned the Amendment.

the 4th Amendment protects specifically against unlawful search and seizure of property and goods by the government against it's citizenry, one of the major components which initiated the revolution in the first place. Writs of Assistance provided to British Officers empowered them to search any residence or building without warning or supervision. Officers could then confiscate whatever they deemed to be 'smuggled' or 'improperly obtained' with out evidence, cause, or reason as to what made that judgement. And this shit should of been taught to you during Grade School Social Studies or American History.

It in no way protects a person in the security of themselves, or ensures them that they are to be 'be secure in their persons' specifically is it Every Implied. It is only your ignorant twisting of reality which makes it seem that way...

But what you have shown us is that you have a complete and utter disregard for the words of the Constitution and our History as Americans.

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RE: BLM NOT SO MUCH - 5/25/2017 6:00:46 AM   
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https://www.vox.com/2014/8/13/5994305/michael-brown-case-investigation-legal-police-kill-force-murder


Constitutionally, "police officers are allowed to shoot under two circumstances," says criminologist David Klinger of the University of Missouri St. Louis. The first circumstance is "to protect their life or the life of another innocent party" — what departments call the "defense-of-life" standard. The second circumstance is to prevent a suspect from escaping, but only if the officer has probable cause to think the suspect poses a dangerous threat to others.

I see, and what is the clear evidence and proof of either of those circumstances. None.

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RE: BLM NOT SO MUCH - 5/25/2017 6:02:15 AM   
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https://www.vox.com/2014/8/13/5994305/michael-brown-case-investigation-legal-police-kill-force-murder


Constitutionally, "police officers are allowed to shoot under two circumstances," says criminologist David Klinger of the University of Missouri St. Louis. The first circumstance is "to protect their life or the life of another innocent party" — what departments call the "defense-of-life" standard. The second circumstance is to prevent a suspect from escaping, but only if the officer has probable cause to think the suspect poses a dangerous threat to others.

I see, and what is the clear evidence and proof of either of those circumstances. None.


Him trying to get into a car...
you know that thing which accounts for more deaths in the US annually then Firearms.

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RE: BLM NOT SO MUCH - 5/25/2017 6:09:27 AM   
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ORIGINAL: mnottertail

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ORIGINAL: InfoMan


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ORIGINAL: mnottertail

The right of people to be secure in their persons..........think about it, dig up some information, instead of disinformation.


That is pure and raw disinformation right there.

The 4th Amendment not only doesn't say that, it was never meant to imply that or even suggest it. Attempting to twist the 4th Amendment of the US Constitution to mean what you want it to mean is not only disingenuous and ignorant, it is down right disrespectful.

So you can go screw right off you pathetic ignorant disrespectful shill of a boy.
How dare you try and twist Our constitution to fit your own stupid argument.

sorry you fucking pathetic and propaganda retard, it certainly does.

why dont you put the 4th amendment here?

so, you can go back to your little toilet stall you pathetic sick sad lying fucking sackless sucking calf, how dare you be such a fucking retarded pantshitting toiletlicker and buffoon.

The cop murdered the guy, end of story, and you defend it like the little nutsucker and coward you are. His life, his right of the people to be secure in their persons was seized unreasonably and you are a fuckwhistle of the lowest form of foetid shit.

oh, yeah, read Madisons notes, you fucking untutored cunt.


That is not what the 4th amendment means, and Madison did not in any way ever imply that when he penned the Amendment.

the 4th Amendment protects specifically against unlawful search and seizure of property and goods by the government against it's citizenry, one of the major components which initiated the revolution in the first place. Writs of Assistance provided to British Officers empowered them to search any residence or building without warning or supervision. Officers could then confiscate whatever they deemed to be 'smuggled' or 'improperly obtained' with out evidence, cause, or reason as to what made that judgement. And this shit should of been taught to you during Grade School Social Studies or American History.

It in no way protects a person in the security of themselves, or ensures them that they are to be 'be secure in their persons' specifically is it Every Implied. It is only your ignorant twisting of reality which makes it seem that way...

But what you have shown us is that you have a complete and utter disregard for the words of the Constitution and our History as Americans.


your ignorant twisting of your ignorance leads me to believe you are the vanguard of the anti-american communist nutsuckers, so it was the idea of the framers that cops should be able to shoot the citizenry on their faintest whim.

I think you need to consider that you essentially advocate that cops can shoot at will and kill american citizenry. You would do well in Nazi Germany, and Russia, but not in America. Your absolute disdain and disregard for the constitution is a sign of your foetid miasmatic anti-Americanism and your Hitleresque gooning and thugging.

Again, as you bring up the british, they have people there that are stopped and are under the influence of PCP. How many have been gunned down by cops there?



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RE: BLM NOT SO MUCH - 5/25/2017 7:01:54 AM   
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ORIGINAL: mnottertail

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ORIGINAL: InfoMan


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ORIGINAL: mnottertail

The right of people to be secure in their persons..........think about it, dig up some information, instead of disinformation.


That is pure and raw disinformation right there.

The 4th Amendment not only doesn't say that, it was never meant to imply that or even suggest it. Attempting to twist the 4th Amendment of the US Constitution to mean what you want it to mean is not only disingenuous and ignorant, it is down right disrespectful.

So you can go screw right off you pathetic ignorant disrespectful shill of a boy.
How dare you try and twist Our constitution to fit your own stupid argument.

sorry you fucking pathetic and propaganda retard, it certainly does.

why dont you put the 4th amendment here?

so, you can go back to your little toilet stall you pathetic sick sad lying fucking sackless sucking calf, how dare you be such a fucking retarded pantshitting toiletlicker and buffoon.

The cop murdered the guy, end of story, and you defend it like the little nutsucker and coward you are. His life, his right of the people to be secure in their persons was seized unreasonably and you are a fuckwhistle of the lowest form of foetid shit.

oh, yeah, read Madisons notes, you fucking untutored cunt.


That is not what the 4th amendment means, and Madison did not in any way ever imply that when he penned the Amendment.

the 4th Amendment protects specifically against unlawful search and seizure of property and goods by the government against it's citizenry, one of the major components which initiated the revolution in the first place. Writs of Assistance provided to British Officers empowered them to search any residence or building without warning or supervision. Officers could then confiscate whatever they deemed to be 'smuggled' or 'improperly obtained' with out evidence, cause, or reason as to what made that judgement. And this shit should of been taught to you during Grade School Social Studies or American History.

It in no way protects a person in the security of themselves, or ensures them that they are to be 'be secure in their persons' specifically is it Every Implied. It is only your ignorant twisting of reality which makes it seem that way...

But what you have shown us is that you have a complete and utter disregard for the words of the Constitution and our History as Americans.


your ignorant twisting of your ignorance leads me to believe you are the vanguard of the anti-american communist nutsuckers, so it was the idea of the framers that cops should be able to shoot the citizenry on their faintest whim.

I think you need to consider that you essentially advocate that cops can shoot at will and kill american citizenry. You would do well in Nazi Germany, and Russia, but not in America. Your absolute disdain and disregard for the constitution is a sign of your foetid miasmatic anti-Americanism and your Hitleresque gooning and thugging.

Again, as you bring up the british, they have people there that are stopped and are under the influence of PCP. How many have been gunned down by cops there?




The 4th Amendment does not provide that protection.

the 14th Amendment does.
All persons born or naturalized in the United States and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the State wherein they reside. No State shall make or enforce any law which shall abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the United States; nor shall any State deprive any person of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal protection of the laws.

but it wasn't written by the framers, nor did the Framers consider it as part of the Constitution. In fact, the Bill of Rights (the first 10 Amendments of the Constitution) was specifically penned to identify the limitations of the federal government, not the mundane nuanced methods and matters of individual law pertaining to each individual state.

The matters of policing the populace was relegated to the individual States - in the form of the 10th Amendment
The powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the States, are reserved to the States respectively, or to the people.


It wasn't until after the Civil War when the 13th, 14th, and 15th amendments ratified where citizens and their rights where finally protected through the Constitution.

Seriously - they didn't teach you this in American History?
Civil War History? The Reconstruction Amendments?


I find it funny that all you can do is spew baseless insult while you continually get proven wrong.

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RE: BLM NOT SO MUCH - 5/25/2017 7:17:52 AM   
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Again, as you bring up the british, they have people there that are stopped and are under the influence of PCP. How many have been gunned down by cops there?



How many people have been arrested for being on PCP in the UK?

PCP use in the UK is actually incredibly rare...
so rare in fact that they don't even have it classified or identified for it under their Drug Penalties laws.

https://www.gov.uk/penalties-drug-possession-dealing

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RE: BLM NOT SO MUCH - 5/25/2017 7:32:11 AM   
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not incredibly rare.

and of course you are wrong and up to your usual disinformation tactics.

The law

PCP is an illegal Class A drug. It carries a maximum sentence of seven years imprisonment for possession and up to life in prison for supply.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/articles/4VNBcPHpxk84DhnKKtDJCL5/pcp

class A list as of 1979
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Drugs_controlled_by_the_UK_Misuse_of_Drugs_Act#Class_A_drugs

any other disinformation you want to share with us, rather than your incredibly rare wisdom?

Again, how many PCP users have been shot down by old bill? Since its rare, you may use the numbers from 1979 till today.


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RE: BLM NOT SO MUCH - 5/25/2017 7:37:46 AM   
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Again, as you bring up the british, they have people there that are stopped and are under the influence of PCP. How many have been gunned down by cops there?



How many people have been arrested for being on PCP in the UK?

PCP use in the UK is actually incredibly rare...
so rare in fact that they don't even have it classified or identified for it under their Drug Penalties laws.

https://www.gov.uk/penalties-drug-possession-dealing

waiting on you. how many people have been shot down for being under its influence by bobbies in the UK?

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RE: BLM NOT SO MUCH - 5/25/2017 7:57:28 AM   
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And it is a real shame that no cop is the victim of injustice, and that no white person is.


I never said that. Never even hinted at it.

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