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You're black, mentally ill, you call 911, you're dead. - 5/31/2017 6:49:26 PM

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NYPD Sergeant Charged With Murder In Shooting Of Elderly Woman With Mental Illness

Heartbreaking.

He followed her into her apartment. She swung a baseball bat at him. He shot her dead. Eight years on the force. What kind of training do police get for dealing with the mentally ill in crises?

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RE: You're black, mentally ill, you call 911, you're dead. - 5/31/2017 7:10:38 PM

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yes its sad, but again, because this would have never happened to a white person right??

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RE: You're black, mentally ill, you call 911, you're dead. - 5/31/2017 7:19:17 PM

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Police are not supposed to be mental illness experts. Who says they get any mental illness training at all? Maybe they should, but I guess that whether they do or not depends upon the jurisdiction. However, ALL cops get self-defense training for when they are attacked. The odds are pretty good that if you attack a cop for any reason, you'll end up dead. Cops who did not defend themselves when attacked would be mostly useless.

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RE: You're black, mentally ill, you call 911, you're dead. - 5/31/2017 7:24:31 PM

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Unfortunately that's the way it is.

They've done worse, shot a guy laying in bed not even moving. And then we got 41 rounds pointed at a guy with a knife.

What's the solution, to tell them to just let people hurt and kill them ?

There are plenty of unjustified shootings by cops, I am just not so sure this is one of them. A bat can hurt you. In fact it can kill you.

T^T

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RE: You're black, mentally ill, you call 911, you're dead. - 5/31/2017 7:39:01 PM

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Unfortunately that's the way it is.

They've done worse, shot a guy laying in bed not even moving. And then we got 41 rounds pointed at a guy with a knife.

What's the solution, to tell them to just let people hurt and kill them ?

There are plenty of unjustified shootings by cops, I am just not so sure this is one of them. A bat can hurt you. In fact it can kill you.

T^T

But she was mentally ill, every one knows a mentally ill person can't hurt you no matter what they do, or what weapon they have.

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RE: You're black, mentally ill, you call 911, you're dead. - 5/31/2017 7:40:13 PM

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Police are not supposed to be mental illness experts. Who says they get any mental illness training at all? Maybe they should, but I guess that whether they do or not depends upon the jurisdiction. However, ALL cops get self-defense training for when they are attacked. The odds are pretty good that if you attack a cop for any reason, you'll end up dead. Cops who did not defend themselves when attacked would be mostly useless.

Once again, no dead cops, no reason to shoot.

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RE: You're black, mentally ill, you call 911, you're dead. - 5/31/2017 7:45:54 PM

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maybe they will wise up and start sending out social workers instead of gestapo assasination squads.

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RE: You're black, mentally ill, you call 911, you're dead. - 5/31/2017 7:47:12 PM

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NYPD Sergeant Charged With Murder In Shooting Of Elderly Woman With Mental Illness

Heartbreaking.

He followed her into her apartment. She swung a baseball bat at him. He shot her dead. Eight years on the force. What kind of training do police get for dealing with the mentally ill in crises?

He talked her into putting the scizzers down, then she attacked him with a bat.
So of ccourse in NYC they charged him with murder.
But why have a trial, burn him at the stake, then pick 4 other officers at random and burn them at the stake too.

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RE: You're black, mentally ill, you call 911, you're dead. - 5/31/2017 7:48:02 PM

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But she was mentally ill, every one knows a mentally ill person can't hurt you no matter what they do, or what weapon they have.

he feared for his safety not his life, no reason for the rambo fuck to blast the shit out of the woman.

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RE: You're black, mentally ill, you call 911, you're dead. - 5/31/2017 7:55:21 PM

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But she was mentally ill, every one knows a mentally ill person can't hurt you no matter what they do, or what weapon they have.

he feared for his safety not his life, no reason for the rambo fuck to blast the shit out of the woman.

You do know that a single blow from a bat can kill you.
And in case you are unaware of this being in fear of your safety includes being in fear for your life. I guess if he was just brain damaged and a vegetable for life everything would have been fine and dandy.

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RE: You're black, mentally ill, you call 911, you're dead. - 5/31/2017 7:57:09 PM

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he put himself into that situation, he followed her into her home, he knew she had mental issues. what happened to the night stick?

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RE: You're black, mentally ill, you call 911, you're dead. - 5/31/2017 7:58:07 PM

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Unfortunately that's the way it is.

They've done worse, shot a guy laying in bed not even moving. And then we got 41 rounds pointed at a guy with a knife.

What's the solution, to tell them to just let people hurt and kill them ?

There are plenty of unjustified shootings by cops, I am just not so sure this is one of them. A bat can hurt you. In fact it can kill you.

T^T

But she was mentally ill, every one knows a mentally ill person can't hurt you no matter what they do, or what weapon they have.

It would be fun to see the OP stand defenseless while some mentally ill woman takes a few swings at him with a bat

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RE: You're black, mentally ill, you call 911, you're dead. - 5/31/2017 8:02:00 PM

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Mayor Bill de Blasio (D) admitted that the sergeant had not followed proper protocol for dealing with individuals suffering episodes of mental illness. He added Barry shouldn’t have approached Danner without the support of officers specially trained to handle such situations.

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RE: You're black, mentally ill, you call 911, you're dead. - 5/31/2017 8:03:31 PM

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But she was mentally ill, every one knows a mentally ill person can't hurt you no matter what they do, or what weapon they have.

he feared for his safety not his life, no reason for the rambo fuck to blast the shit out of the woman.

Or the crazy lady could have refrained from trying to kill the cop?

Crazy idea, I know...

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RE: You're black, mentally ill, you call 911, you're dead. - 5/31/2017 8:08:26 PM

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he put himself into that situation, he followed her into her home, he knew she had mental issues. what happened to the night stick?

You don't know how the belt was set up, you don't even know if he had a knightstick.
All you know is someone representing the goverment must be wrong.
A blow from the knightstick could have been fatal, even tazers have been known to kill, then where would you be.

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People don't believe they can defend themselves because they have guns, they have guns because they believe they can defend themselves.

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RE: You're black, mentally ill, you call 911, you're dead. - 5/31/2017 8:23:18 PM

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NYPD Sergeant Charged With Murder In Shooting Of Elderly Woman With Mental Illness

Heartbreaking.

He followed her into her apartment. She swung a baseball bat at him. He shot her dead. Eight years on the force. What kind of training do police get for dealing with the mentally ill in crises?

Vince with the proper health insurance and care that officer most likely would not have been put in that position. I don't care what kind of training a police officer has when faced with a life threatening situation mistakes will be made. I do not believe a police officer should be expected to diagnose mental illness and know the right action to take when confronted with a life or death situation. I will bet you this officer will not be convicted or lose his job...and he shouldn't of even been charged. The real people to blame are those that make treatment too expensive for those that need it most.

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RE: You're black, mentally ill, you call 911, you're dead. - 5/31/2017 8:37:21 PM

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Give them the best doctors there are, the best everything, and many of them refuse to take their meds etc

Nice that you are able to diagnose the exact issue from so far away though

Perhaps you should seek help yourself

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RE: You're black, mentally ill, you call 911, you're dead. - 5/31/2017 9:02:20 PM

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But she was mentally ill, every one knows a mentally ill person can't hurt you no matter what they do, or what weapon they have.

he feared for his safety not his life, no reason for the rambo fuck to blast the shit out of the woman.

Or the crazy lady could have refrained from trying to kill the cop?

Crazy idea, I know...

what makes you think she tried to 'kill' the cop?

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RE: You're black, mentally ill, you call 911, you're dead. - 5/31/2017 9:05:55 PM

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he put himself into that situation, he followed her into her home, he knew she had mental issues. what happened to the night stick?

You don't know how the belt was set up, you don't even know if he had a knightstick.
All you know is someone representing the goverment must be wrong.
A blow from the knightstick could have been fatal, even tazers have been known to kill, then where would you be.

you can block a baseball bat with a nightstick but he should have backed off and put on his riot gear.

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RE: You're black, mentally ill, you call 911, you're dead. - 5/31/2017 9:11:00 PM

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he put himself into that situation, he followed her into her home, he knew she had mental issues. what happened to the night stick?

You don't know how the belt was set up, you don't even know if he had a knightstick.
All you know is someone representing the goverment must be wrong.
A blow from the knightstick could have been fatal, even tazers have been known to kill, then where would you be.

you can block a baseball bat with a nightstick but he should have backed off and put on his riot gear.

And then when she killed or injured a civilian you would have wanted his head for that, it isn't like he can pull it out of his back pocket.

And how do you know if she was trying to kill him.

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