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RE: Awesome scene lined up - 8/8/2017 1:28:43 PM

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I don't hide my requirements. I don't have any.

See above.. that ain't true.

If you didn't have any requirements, your Master could tomorrow announce that he's submitting to your sister slave, because he's figured out he's a true slave at heart, and while she's now his Mistress and in ultimate control, he'll be 'first boy' and you will continue to obey them both, because your rank is last... and you'd fall happily in line with that, instead of running like hell.

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RE: Awesome scene lined up - 8/8/2017 1:33:51 PM

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Women with a reality?

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RE: Awesome scene lined up - 8/8/2017 1:35:12 PM

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ORIGINAL: tamaka

I don't hide my requirements. I don't have any.

See above.. that ain't true.

If you didn't have any requirements, your Master could tomorrow announce that he's submitting to your sister slave, because he's figured out he's a true slave at heart, and while she's now his Mistress and in ultimate control, he'll be 'first boy' and you will continue to obey them both, because your rank is last... and you'd fall happily in line with that, instead of running like hell.

You're right about that!

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RE: Awesome scene lined up - 8/8/2017 1:51:45 PM

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ORIGINAL: tamaka

No... because i don't have any input into those things. Also... not all M/s relationships involve any of those things.

I don't have any input into those things, so how are you claiming a difference?

Sure you do. First of all, you require that they occur.

Euhm no I don't... my play and relationships with men consist of "you can do whatever you want with me", with the caveat that if I'm not satisfied in a relationship that dissatisfaction will eventually cause the relationship to end (whether it's ended by him, or by me).

Because ya know... that's what happens when relationships aren't satisfying for the parties involved: they end.

Part of "you can do whatever you want" with Ullr involved 5 years of no play, when he didn't want to play with me, nor want me to play with others -for reasons I'm not getting into on the forum.
Part of "whatever you want" currently involves him regularly beating the tar out of me, and him actively wanting me to play with other people.

The fact that it's "whatever he wants" hasn't changed.

As far as me requiring them goes... yeah... it's a requirement that anybody who wishes to be in a fulfilling relationships with me actually fulfills my needs in that relationship. And seeing that people don't stay in relationships that aren't fulfilling (from either side) fulfilling my needs is pretty much the only option to be with me.

Shocking news: the same thing applies to you.
You couldn't indefinitely stay in an unfulfilling relationship even if you wanted to, because unfulfilled people are miserable to be around, and so if you didn't leave on your own, then whichever guy you were with would finally get sick of you and kick you out... ya know... like has happened time and time again in the past.

The reason that Ullr allows you to play with others like that is because you need that to be fulfilled, not because he likes it. Unless he is a cuck, which i guess is possible. It has nothing to do with what HE needs.

I disagree with the immediate above for two reasons. First, you cannot meaningfully comment on the motivations and desires of someone you do not know. And second, as a Dom who enjoys shearing his sub partner with others, it can have nothing to do with the cuckold fantasy - as is true in my own case - and certainly can, and does, bring pleasure to the Dom. Especially as I am the architect of such encounters, not her... although it brings her a definite terrifying pleasure as well. Our mutual pleasure is always, on some level - and sometimes on a buried level within a scene - an important component of our relationship.

I'll confess to not being quite sure what the two of you are debating... at times you seem to be saying the same thing, but in argumentative tones?

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RE: Awesome scene lined up - 8/8/2017 1:54:13 PM

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ORIGINAL: tamaka

I don't hide my requirements. I don't have any.

See above.. that ain't true.

If you didn't have any requirements, your Master could tomorrow announce that he's submitting to your sister slave, because he's figured out he's a true slave at heart, and while she's now his Mistress and in ultimate control, he'll be 'first boy' and you will continue to obey them both, because your rank is last... and you'd fall happily in line with that, instead of running like hell.

You're right about that!

So you've got requirements.

You demand that he's X-type of man, and treats you X-type of way, and sees slaves X-type of way.

If he fails to meet those requirements, the relationship won't last.

Whether you're stating out loud what they are or not, either to yourself or him, doesn't matter... you're still making demands of him.

You're in a relationship where you implicitly state: "If these specific needs of mine aren't met, this relationship WILL end."... just like everybody else.

The fact that Ullr demands of me that I state mine out loud doesn't make any difference... especially not seeing that he's doing it out of purely selfish reasons... you see, he's decided he wants to keep me... and so having all the information relevant in order to be able to do that is important to him.

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RE: Awesome scene lined up - 8/8/2017 2:02:08 PM

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Ok... that makes sense.

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RE: Awesome scene lined up - 8/8/2017 2:15:07 PM

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Ok... that makes sense.

So are you his Master because you've got expectations of him and of the relationship?

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RE: Awesome scene lined up - 8/8/2017 2:25:22 PM

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Ok... that makes sense.

So are you his Master because you've got expectations of him and of the relationship?

No. I guess it's just that i've always been focused on meeting my Master's needs (whatever they were) than thinking about what my needs were (besides serving).

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RE: Awesome scene lined up - 8/8/2017 2:31:27 PM

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No. I guess it's just that i've always been focused on meeting my Master's needs (whatever they were) than thinking about what my needs were (besides serving).

Your need to serve IS a requirement. It's the itch you're scratching.

It's not any different from my need to be brutally used for a man's selfish pleasure. In fact, it's the exact same itch, in a slightly different form.

If your requirements don't make you your Master's Master, then what makes you his slave?
And that's not a trick question, there is an answer... I'm just wondering if you know what it is.

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RE: Awesome scene lined up - 8/8/2017 2:31:39 PM

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ORIGINAL: tamaka

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ORIGINAL: UllrsIshtar

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ORIGINAL: tamaka

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ORIGINAL: UllrsIshtar

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ORIGINAL: tamaka

No... because i don't have any input into those things. Also... not all M/s relationships involve any of those things.

I don't have any input into those things, so how are you claiming a difference?

Sure you do. First of all, you require that they occur.

Euhm no I don't... my play and relationships with men consist of "you can do whatever you want with me", with the caveat that if I'm not satisfied in a relationship that dissatisfaction will eventually cause the relationship to end (whether it's ended by him, or by me).

Because ya know... that's what happens when relationships aren't satisfying for the parties involved: they end.

Part of "you can do whatever you want" with Ullr involved 5 years of no play, when he didn't want to play with me, nor want me to play with others -for reasons I'm not getting into on the forum.
Part of "whatever you want" currently involves him regularly beating the tar out of me, and him actively wanting me to play with other people.

The fact that it's "whatever he wants" hasn't changed.

As far as me requiring them goes... yeah... it's a requirement that anybody who wishes to be in a fulfilling relationships with me actually fulfills my needs in that relationship. And seeing that people don't stay in relationships that aren't fulfilling (from either side) fulfilling my needs is pretty much the only option to be with me.

Shocking news: the same thing applies to you.
You couldn't indefinitely stay in an unfulfilling relationship even if you wanted to, because unfulfilled people are miserable to be around, and so if you didn't leave on your own, then whichever guy you were with would finally get sick of you and kick you out... ya know... like has happened time and time again in the past.

The reason that Ullr allows you to play with others like that is because you need that to be fulfilled, not because he likes it. Unless he is a cuck, which i guess is possible. It has nothing to do with what HE needs.

I disagree with the immediate above for two reasons. First, you cannot meaningfully comment on the motivations and desires of someone you do not know. And second, as a Dom who enjoys shearing his sub partner with others, it can have nothing to do with the cuckold fantasy - as is true in my own case - and certainly can, and does, bring pleasure to the Dom. Especially as I am the architect of such encounters, not her... although it brings her a definite terrifying pleasure as well. Our mutual pleasure is always, on some level - and sometimes on a buried level within a scene - an important component of our relationship.

I'll confess to not being quite sure what the two of you are debating... at times you seem to be saying the same thing, but in argumentative tones?

Tamaka likes to take every opportunity to point out what "twue" slaves are and highlight how she is subbier than everyone else. And she has used this thread to try and minimize the OPs experience because it wasn't her definition of real. It's a common theme with her. Ishtar is a hell of a lot more patient with her than anyone else in here would be.

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RE: Awesome scene lined up - 8/8/2017 2:36:32 PM

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What you did was went and had a kinky multi-day scene to scratch your own itch.

Yeah, that's what everybody who's kink -including you- does all the time, regardless of the duration they spent actively scratching the itch.

Any M/s relationship you've had isn't anything more -or less- than that.

I'm sorry that your mind is so small regarding relationships. But honestly, knowing your history, i'm not surprised at all.

Out of everyone on this site, you have one of the smallest minds regarding relationships. You will be hard pressed to find anyone on here that disagrees with me, were you to poll everyone. You really should spend a little less time judging everyone else's relationships and a little more time on self reflection to figure out your own circumstances, as you say that you are broken.

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RE: Awesome scene lined up - 8/8/2017 2:37:30 PM

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No. I guess it's just that i've always been focused on meeting my Master's needs (whatever they were) than thinking about what my needs were (besides serving).

Your need to serve IS a requirement. It's the itch you're scratching.

It's not any different from my need to be brutally used for a man's selfish pleasure. In fact, it's the exact same itch, in a slightly different form.

If your requirements don't make you your Master's Master, then what makes you his slave?
And that's not a trick question, there is an answer... I'm just wondering if you know what it is.

I'm His slave because that is the only way He allows me to be in His life.

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RE: Awesome scene lined up - 8/8/2017 2:47:58 PM

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I'm His slave because that is the only way He allows me to be in His life.

Nope.

He has no choice in that, he couldn't expect you to be anything else if he wanted to. If he tried to make you something else, the relationship would end.

Try again.

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RE: Awesome scene lined up - 8/8/2017 2:51:44 PM

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Because all i am is a slave and i begged Him to be my Master. And He decided to accept me as His slave.

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RE: Awesome scene lined up - 8/8/2017 3:01:04 PM

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Are any of you two women I must know or shut your fuking gobs

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RE: Awesome scene lined up - 8/8/2017 3:22:25 PM

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An odd hush descends - shame

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RE: Awesome scene lined up - 8/8/2017 4:47:15 PM

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Because all i am is a slave and i begged Him to be my Master. And He decided to accept me as His slave.

Because your requirement from any relationship you're currently in is that you're kept as a slave.

Any man who'd try to have you in his life as anything but that would lose you.

You're demanding to be kept as a slave.

And you're not even open to just being kept as any slave. You're demanding to be kept as a very specific mode of slave that conforms to what "being a slave" looks like in your head.
If any man you're with would try to keep you as anything but a slave, or try to keep you as something he calls a slave but which doesn't confirm to what "being a slave" looks like in your head, the relationship would be over.

If he wants you in his life, he doesn't have a choice but to accept you as the slave you want to be... his only other choice is to not have you in his life.

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RE: Awesome scene lined up - 8/8/2017 4:50:18 PM

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I'm kind of surprised that, for a carefully staged abduction and captivity scene, the big impactful thing you are first reporting about is that he contemptuously called you a bad name. I assume other things happened, but if that is the thing that really sticks with you, it sounds like a much much milder scene than I was expecting.

Did you miss the point where I said this was erotic FICTION?

I didn't actually give a fuck what he called. Hell, I still sometimes call myself cunt to him when we're chatting.
But the story popped into my head when I was laying and staring at the walls (it's actually just the beginning of the story), and it sounded hot, so I wrote it.

And btw, I don't know what the heck you're talking about on it being 'the first thing I reported' when the first thing I reported, (and second, and third) it a ludicrously long write up of actual events, here on this thread (page 4), and on Fet. https://fetlife.com/users/1692623/posts/4584756

I didn't miss that it was fiction, nor that you said it was based on the experience.

I did however miss the earlier post you mentioned. Thanks for the link.

Got any more drive by snide comments, now that you're actually up to speed?

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RE: Awesome scene lined up - 8/8/2017 5:12:08 PM

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Because all i am is a slave and i begged Him to be my Master. And He decided to accept me as His slave.

Because your requirement from any relationship you're currently in is that you're kept as a slave.

Any man who'd try to have you in his life as anything but that would lose you.

You're demanding to be kept as a slave.

And you're not even open to just being kept as any slave. You're demanding to be kept as a very specific mode of slave that conforms to what "being a slave" looks like in your head.
If any man you're with would try to keep you as anything but a slave, or try to keep you as something he calls a slave but which doesn't confirm to what "being a slave" looks like in your head, the relationship would be over.

If he wants you in his life, he doesn't have a choice but to accept you as the slave you want to be... his only other choice is to not have you in his life.

Ummm... no. That's not true at all. Not in the least.

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RE: Awesome scene lined up - 8/8/2017 5:53:42 PM

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Ummm... no. That's not true at all. Not in the least.

Yes it is.

You denying it doesn't change it.

If he were to try to keep you as a free women, he'd lose you.
If he were to try to keep you as Ullr keeps me, he'd lose you.
If he were to try to keep you as a submissive, he'd lose you.
If he were to try to keep you in a way that doesn't conform to your idea of what it means to be a slave, he'd lose you.

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I am the dirt you created
I am your sinner
And your whore
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You love me for everything you hate me for

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