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RE: Awesome scene lined up - 8/7/2017 7:49:29 PM

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As far as I'm concerned, the difference is a social issue. Not an Ishtar issue.

And you are completely correct in that assessment. Just look at how tamaka, usually Little Miss Slavier than Thou, is reacting.

You're really bitchy lately Dizzy.
And btw dizzy... the stuff that Ishtar is doing has nothing to do with being a slave ... at all.

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RE: Awesome scene lined up - 8/8/2017 11:07:19 AM

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I'm kind of surprised that, for a carefully staged abduction and captivity scene, the big impactful thing you are first reporting about is that he contemptuously called you a bad name. I assume other things happened, but if that is the thing that really sticks with you, it sounds like a much much milder scene than I was expecting.

Did you miss the point where I said this was erotic FICTION?

I didn't actually give a fuck what he called. Hell, I still sometimes call myself cunt to him when we're chatting.
But the story popped into my head when I was laying and staring at the walls (it's actually just the beginning of the story), and it sounded hot, so I wrote it.

And btw, I don't know what the heck you're talking about on it being 'the first thing I reported' when the first thing I reported, (and second, and third) it a ludicrously long write up of actual events, here on this thread (page 4), and on Fet. https://fetlife.com/users/1692623/posts/4584756

I didn't miss that it was fiction, nor that you said it was based on the experience.

I did however miss the earlier post you mentioned. Thanks for the link.

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RE: Awesome scene lined up - 8/8/2017 11:12:28 AM

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And btw dizzy... the stuff that Ishtar is doing has nothing to do with being a slave ... at all.

That depends entirely on how you define 'slave'.

If you define slave as "legal property human, kidnapped against their will and now forced to obey under threat of torture" then what I did is much closer to actual slavery than what BDSMers usually tend to do.

If you define slave "person who voluntarily enters into a relationship of servitude to another person and obeys them because that's proper as defined by the parameters of the relationship" then what I did is further away from slavery than what BDSMers usually tend to do.

Though really, in the end, what I did is on the cusp in between those two definitions.

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RE: Awesome scene lined up - 8/8/2017 11:16:10 AM

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Why is this thread still running?

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RE: Awesome scene lined up - 8/8/2017 11:16:33 AM

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What you did was went and had a kinky multi-day scene to scratch your own itch.

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RE: Awesome scene lined up - 8/8/2017 11:21:02 AM

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What you did was went and had a kinky multi-day scene to scratch your own itch.

Yeah, that's what everybody who's kink -including you- does all the time, regardless of the duration they spent actively scratching the itch.

Any M/s relationship you've had isn't anything more -or less- than that.

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RE: Awesome scene lined up - 8/8/2017 11:29:42 AM

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What you did was went and had a kinky multi-day scene to scratch your own itch.

Yeah, that's what everybody who's kink -including you- does all the time, regardless of the duration they spent actively scratching the itch.

Any M/s relationship you've had isn't anything more -or less- than that.

I'm sorry that your mind is so small regarding relationships. But honestly, knowing your history, i'm not surprised at all.

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RE: Awesome scene lined up - 8/8/2017 11:41:33 AM

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I'm sorry that your mind is so small regarding relationships. But honestly, knowing your history, i'm not surprised at all.

Are you claiming that the reason you enter into relationships is for purely altruistic reasons, and there's nothing in it for you, nothing you're gaining, nothing you're wanting out of them?

Because unless that's the case, the only reason you -just like everybody else- are entering into relationships is to scratch your own itches.

The reason you interact with your Master is a search for self-satisfaction. Nothing more, nor less than that.

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RE: Awesome scene lined up - 8/8/2017 11:51:03 AM

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I'm sorry that your mind is so small regarding relationships. But honestly, knowing your history, i'm not surprised at all.

Are you claiming that the reason you enter into relationships is for purely altruistic reasons, and there's nothing in it for you, nothing you're gaining, nothing you're wanting out of them?

Because unless that's the case, the only reason you -just like everybody else- are entering into relationships is to scratch your own itches.

The reason you interact with your Master is a search for self-satisfaction. Nothing more, nor less than that.

I would never pursue self-satisfaction that would potentially jeopordize someone else that i am in a relationship with.

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RE: Awesome scene lined up - 8/8/2017 11:54:33 AM

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I would never pursue self-satisfaction that would potentially jeopordize someone else that i am in a relationship with.

You do, any time you engage in activities that could end your partners in jail. Any time you've been punished, any mark you've ever gotten, any time you've been restrained, any time you've begged to stop and were ignored, you were perusing self-satisfaction which jeopardized your partners.

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RE: Awesome scene lined up - 8/8/2017 11:56:53 AM

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I would never pursue self-satisfaction that would potentially jeopordize someone else that i am in a relationship with.

You do, any time you engage in activities that could end your partners in jail. Any time you've been punished, any mark you've ever gotten, any time you've been restrained, any time you've begged to stop and were ignored, you were perusing self-satisfaction which jeopardized your partners.

No... because i don't have any input into those things. Also... not all M/s relationships involve any of those things.

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RE: Awesome scene lined up - 8/8/2017 12:04:00 PM

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No... because i don't have any input into those things. Also... not all M/s relationships involve any of those things.

I don't have any input into those things, so how are you claiming a difference?

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RE: Awesome scene lined up - 8/8/2017 12:07:41 PM

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No... because i don't have any input into those things. Also... not all M/s relationships involve any of those things.

I don't have any input into those things, so how are you claiming a difference?

Sure you do. First of all, you require that they occur.

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RE: Awesome scene lined up - 8/8/2017 12:18:52 PM

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No... because i don't have any input into those things. Also... not all M/s relationships involve any of those things.

I don't have any input into those things, so how are you claiming a difference?

Sure you do. First of all, you require that they occur.

Euhm no I don't... my play and relationships with men consist of "you can do whatever you want with me", with the caveat that if I'm not satisfied in a relationship that dissatisfaction will eventually cause the relationship to end (whether it's ended by him, or by me).

Because ya know... that's what happens when relationships aren't satisfying for the parties involved: they end.

Part of "you can do whatever you want" with Ullr involved 5 years of no play, when he didn't want to play with me, nor want me to play with others -for reasons I'm not getting into on the forum.
Part of "whatever you want" currently involves him regularly beating the tar out of me, and him actively wanting me to play with other people.

The fact that it's "whatever he wants" hasn't changed.

As far as me requiring them goes... yeah... it's a requirement that anybody who wishes to be in a fulfilling relationships with me actually fulfills my needs in that relationship. And seeing that people don't stay in relationships that aren't fulfilling (from either side) fulfilling my needs is pretty much the only option to be with me.

Shocking news: the same thing applies to you.
You couldn't indefinitely stay in an unfulfilling relationship even if you wanted to, because unfulfilled people are miserable to be around, and so if you didn't leave on your own, then whichever guy you were with would finally get sick of you and kick you out... ya know... like has happened time and time again in the past.

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RE: Awesome scene lined up - 8/8/2017 12:25:47 PM

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No... because i don't have any input into those things. Also... not all M/s relationships involve any of those things.

I don't have any input into those things, so how are you claiming a difference?

Sure you do. First of all, you require that they occur.

Euhm no I don't... my play and relationships with men consist of "you can do whatever you want with me", with the caveat that if I'm not satisfied in a relationship that dissatisfaction will eventually cause the relationship to end (whether it's ended by him, or by me).

Because ya know... that's what happens when relationships aren't satisfying for the parties involved: they end.

Part of "you can do whatever you want" with Ullr involved 5 years of no play, when he didn't want to play with me, nor want me to play with others -for reasons I'm not getting into on the forum.
Part of "whatever you want" currently involves him regularly beating the tar out of me, and him actively wanting me to play with other people.

The fact that it's "whatever he wants" hasn't changed.

As far as me requiring them goes... yeah... it's a requirement that anybody who wishes to be in a fulfilling relationships with me actually fulfills my needs in that relationship. And seeing that people don't stay in relationships that aren't fulfilling (from either side) fulfilling my needs is pretty much the only option to be with me.

Shocking news: the same thing applies to you.
You couldn't indefinitely stay in an unfulfilling relationship even if you wanted to, because unfulfilled people are miserable to be around, and so if you didn't leave on your own, then whichever guy you were with would finally get sick of you and kick you out... ya know... like has happened time and time again in the past.

The reason that Ullr allows you to play with others like that is because you need that to be fulfilled, not because he likes it. Unless he is a cuck, which i guess is possible. It has nothing to do with what HE needs.

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RE: Awesome scene lined up - 8/8/2017 12:37:27 PM

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The reason that Ullr allows you to play with others like that is because you need that to be fulfilled, not because he likes it. Unless he is a cuck, which i guess is possible. It has nothing to do with what HE needs.

Actually that's not true. Ullr's had a 'whoring his chick out to other men' fetish since before we met. He actively likes the idea of his girls being active sluts, interested in other men's cock (well in ALL the cock really), with him being in control of who they get to fuck.

In fact, his slave girl, atm is really reluctant about the idea of having to play with/fuck other men, and he'd been priming her for 18 months on the fact that she'll be required to serve other men, which she finally ended up doing this last Thunder. He's also priming her to fuck his best friend soon, which she's worried about, because Ullr's best friend is a a scary mother fucker.

What you are right on though, in the sense that if Ullr wasn't interested in me playing with other men for his own sake, he'd either have to engage in certain kinks that currently don't interest him, or he'd have to be okay with me playing (not fucking) with other men just to have be experience those kinks. If he wasn't okay with either, long term we wouldn't work out, because my needs wouldn't be fulfilled from being in a relationship with him, and the dissatisfaction that caused would ultimately end up breaking us up.

Because again: people don't stay long term in relationships with partners who are incompatible with them... because those relationships aren't good... and the break up, regardless of which party ends it.

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RE: Awesome scene lined up - 8/8/2017 12:45:25 PM

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I agree with you. My point is that if someone 'has' to do something vs. 'wants' to do something in order to maintain the relationship and that person is not the 's' in the relationship, then that person is not the 'M' either.

Making demands/requirements of your Master does not make you a slave.

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RE: Awesome scene lined up - 8/8/2017 1:04:16 PM

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Making demands/requirements of your Master does not make you a slave.

It's impossible to be in a relationship without having requirements of that relationship.

You have never been in a relationship where you didn't have requirements of your Master.

If that wasn't the case, you could be the slave to literally anybody. Them, their personality, their style of leadership, their level of dominance, it all wouldn't matter.

You could just decide to "be" the slave of any random guy you met on the street.

And we both know that you not only won't do that, you couldn't even do it if you tried.

The reason you can't is that you have requirements of what you expect in a relationship in terms of the relationship fulfilling your needs. Whether you state them explicitly or not is irrelevant.
The fact of the matter is that they're still there, and that if your requirements are not met, the relationship is doomed to fail, and will end sooner or later.

You can twist yourself into a hundred knots here tamaka, but the fact that Ullr demands of me that I state the requirements I have of this relationship to be happy out loud, and the fact that you like to hide your requirements by not stating them, doesn't have any impact on the fact that in the end, both of us will only remain in a relationship that fulfills us.

ANY relationship you've ever has has been nothing more than you 'scratching your itches'.

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RE: Awesome scene lined up - 8/8/2017 1:22:20 PM

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Think about it this way tamake -and I invite you to do some genuine soul searching here, because I know you truly believe that you don't have requirements, but the fact that you mistakenly believe that also ties into the reason you're broken:

Imagine your Master comes to you tomorrow and announces that he's decided that he's a tranny, and that from now on he'll be cross dressing 24/7.
As part of this new announcement, now his requirement of you as a slave, is that you teach him how to dress like a woman, how to do make up, how to speak with a high pitched voice, etc.
Also part of the requirement is that you now 'hang out' with him, as his bff.

How long would you remain in a relationship with him?
The reason it wouldn't be long, is because you not only require him to be a man, you require him to fulfill a certain stereo type of what it means to be a man you've got in your head. If he fails to meet that requirement, you'll be unfulfilled, and the relationship will end.

Imagine your Master comes to you, and announces that he wants to try bottoming, and you'll be required to service Top him, tie him up and beat him.

Imagine he comes to you and orders you to fuck him with a strap on.

Imagine he comes to you and orders you to start transitioning into a sexless androgynous drone, and start taking hormones to suppress your libido, and learn to curve your sexuality into something featureless and genderless.

Imagine he orders you to bare him children, and expects you to be uncollared from their birth on, because he wants you to be a free woman while you raise them.

Etc, etc, etc.

These things would end the relationships, because they would be deeply unfulfilling to you.
It wouldn't matter if you'd leave, or he'd kick you out because you turned into a miserable cunt to be around, the relationship would still end because it failed to meet your requirements.

Whether you stated them or not during the relationship, or at the beginning of the relationship, or every at all to yourself, is irrelevant... you have requirements of the men you're with... and any man who fails to meet them will find himself without you in fairly short order.

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RE: Awesome scene lined up - 8/8/2017 1:24:25 PM

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I don't hide my requirements. I don't have any. Either i can serve my Master as His slave under His umbrella of desires, directives, His household arrangement, etc and be pleasing to Him or i can't. If i can't, yes, He has to kick me out because God knows i will keep trying.

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