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RE: Awesome scene lined up - 8/4/2017 3:00:01 PM   
tamaka


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However... (and this isn't relevant to anything you said, it's just an aside... so people the following has no impact to anything DocStrange said!!!)...

I get to the point of FoF quite often during my play. In fact, it's a state I push for on purpose, and it happened at various points during my week with my captor. I'm familiar with the state, and how it feels, and how to deal with it. What happened this time wasn't FoF.

Instead I think I experienced an episode of psychological decompensation, and had what basically amounted to a minor psychotic break. I think that the decompensation was caused, at least in part, by the fact that I suffered various FoF reactions that day (and the prior days) for which I had no physical outlets... other triggers included active sensory deprivation, sleep deprivation, freshly being tortured (and accompanying hormone flood), as well as being on half rations calorie wise for a week.

Basically I reached a point where I could no longer process what I was experiencing, and suffered temporary psychosis as a result. Which is different from a FoF, because FoF isn't the result of being unable to process an event, but rather one of going into hyper-processing as a method of protecting yourself against the current event.
The hyper focus that's so typical with FoF was completely absent for me, I was instead very unfocused and scattered, I was sluggish, dull, and passive, had problems with short term memory, and trouble with physical coordination. Oh, and I was very very itchy for some reason.

So totally agree with you... but that's not what happened.

Thank you for sharing in such detail and clarifying what you went through was not FOF.

On a side note I also enjoy being taken to FoF state. I love the adrenaline rush that come with that. The hyper awareness the body goes into. And if one is bound and cannot expend the energy once reaching that state, that feeling lasts a long time :)




Yes. It's a manic state. Some people live like that all of the time and don't realize it because they don't know anything different.

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RE: Awesome scene lined up - 8/4/2017 7:20:18 PM   
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psychologically it's just not the same headspace if it were real.



BDSMer never go for emulating the real headspace.

Real rape isn't sexy. Neither is real racism for race players. Neither is real pedophilia to age players. Neither are real personal attacks by strangers to humiliation players. Neither is dropping a bowling ball on your foot to a masochist.

The whole point of kink is to take various forms of taboos and change them enough so that they become sexy.
Of course that doesn't end you up with the real thing. That's not the point. It's never the point.




I agree and I am always suspicious when people imply that it means nothing if it's not "real". I'm not even sure what "real" means in that context.

I like the fear that something will go too far. The feeling of your stomach dropping away is thrilling, but there's a big difference between doing something with someone who loves messing about with your limits and doing something with someone whose goal is to damage you as much as possible.

Extreme and fucked up is great but it is not the same as playing for keeps. I like fucked up but too right "psychologically it's just not the same headspace if it were real". What like if someone really burned and scarred you only stopping when they got bored, or if you were unlucky enough to be grabbed by strangers on the street, kidnapped, raped, beaten and left bleeding in the gutter to be picked up by the police?

Is there a special award system with medals only handed out for people who do it for real? Kidnappers and rapists getting the ultimate "master" awards and their broken hospitalised victims getting "true sub" awards for being victims and enjoying it?

Whatever anyone says they have a point where any further is too far, and however "real" something is some part of them must believe it will stop somewhere, even if it goes further than they expected or wanted. If someone really wants to be in a position where someone else genuinely has the power of life and death over them, and rather than it being a mutual emotional expression, it actually carries with it the likelihood that power is going to be exercised, great for them, but I'm not going to be cheering from the sidelines at the possibility of their imminent demise.

That's not judging anyone else for their choices in life or how extreme they like their kink. Plenty of people like extreme shit that I haven't experienced and I suspect I couldn't handle. I'm not questioning thoughtful and considered kinksters like you, LadyPact and DocStrange who have contributed to what has been a fascinating thread, which it has been a privilege to read.

My reaction is to the implication that doing it in real life with all the highs and lows just isn't enough unless its really "real". No matter how experienced or up front anyone else is, they are lesser mortals who can't live up to the ultimate standard. I suspect it would be quite easy to flush out just how real some people really like it.

Thank you for sharing your experiences. To my mind it is an example of the very best these message boards offer.

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RE: Awesome scene lined up - 8/5/2017 11:28:22 AM   
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I don't think he's going to here. But for those of you who are interested, my captor has actually posted a reply from his perspective of this whole event on the post I got about it on Fet: https://fetlife.com/users/1692623/posts/4584756

It's an interesting read for me as well.

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RE: Awesome scene lined up - 8/6/2017 5:38:22 AM   
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I am Ishtar's captor. I was borderline on whether I would post (both here and fetlife)... I decided to post because I at least want 'proof' that this was me, when I'm trying to recruit other captives.

So, ask me anything, if you care to. I'll probably reply :).


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RE: Awesome scene lined up - 8/6/2017 8:12:17 AM   
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You know, at first I was very excited (intellectually) at the opportunity to ask you questions about the whole affair, but as I was deciding what to ask, I realized that I do not actually want to know. I find that, for me at least, your perspective is really unimportant and irrelevant. As I am a sort of subbish masochist, it is Ishtar's perspective, her interpretation of what happened and her reaction(s) to that idea that has relevance to me.

Really, the only questions you could answer for me would issues of safety, and given how the scene played out, it is clear that you had that aspect well in hand.

So all I can say is thank you for making the effort for her, and thank you for doing so while remaining attentive of her well-being.

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RE: Awesome scene lined up - 8/6/2017 8:24:53 AM   
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ORIGINAL: CaptiveControl

I am Ishtar's captor. I was borderline on whether I would post (both here and fetlife)... I decided to post because I at least want 'proof' that this was me, when I'm trying to recruit other captives.

So, ask me anything, if you care to. I'll probably reply :).




What if she had a stroke? How would you know? What would you do?

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RE: Awesome scene lined up - 8/6/2017 8:35:42 AM   
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You all know I will not condone a thread like this anywhere

Just bouncing from thread to thread - sometimes its my bored way: that is not difficult to work out - heh and I am a fan for thinking out allowed and fantasy v reality tht reminds me one of my better threads on this forum http://www.collarchat.com/m_5054205/tm.htm

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Grope boxes - I would never grope someone in them - I may go in one...and odd dichotomy is it not
Dog/pet cages - shrugs

Kidnapping sound proof basements and shit of that nature and abduction 101 etc I can assure you none of you have seen me angry, ever. But you keep up this pish you will.

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RE: Awesome scene lined up - 8/6/2017 8:39:58 AM   
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I can assure you none of you have seen me angry, ever. But you keep up this pish you will.

And why the fuck would anybody give a shit if you are angry or not?

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RE: Awesome scene lined up - 8/6/2017 9:01:43 AM   
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ORIGINAL: UllrsIshtar

I tried my first hand at a fictionalized erotica short based on the experience.

It's based on truth (my captor did call me cunt) but the emotional severity of the event is exaggerated for literary purposes. I might do more of these at some point. And eventually tie them all into a story.

quote:

Cunt

One of the first things Cali did was name me.
He didn't go through some sort of formal naming ritual to do so, instead, in the first 24 hours of my captivity, he tended to refer to me with all sorts of vile expressions. After a while, one of the words just seemed to stick, and that word was 'cunt'.

Except, seeing cunt written out like that could never convey to you what exactly it was that Cali named me. Written all innocently like that, cunt is nothing more than a vulgar term for female genitalia. But when Cali used the word as my name, he didn't say it like that. He transformed it, condensed it, and spat it out, placing the emphasis on the first and last consonants, with such ferocity that it almost sounded like they were leaving a foul taste in his mouth. He spat them out, with such hatred that it ended up making cunt sound like he was momentarily speaking a foreign language. When Cali said what he'd named me, it sounded like KunT.

As he used this assault in verbiage to address and refer to me by, you could tell that the meaning he gave to the term went far beyond its literal vulgarity. In the way he wrenched out the term, it quickly became clear that to Cali, KunT meant all the deepest, darkest and foulest things you could come up with to refer to another person. No, not to a person, nobody could call a fellow human being a term with the subtext of KunT, but something below a person. Something vile and despicable. A slab of rotting meat. Something so repulsive and low, worthy of only the worst the human mind can conjure up, that it was almost offensive to him to think about it, let alone to refer to it with a word, a name.

These ideas of contempt was what Cali was conveying as he called me KunT. The lack of empathy, the scorn, derision, and disdain dripping out of the entire monosyllabic word as he threw it at me as if it was a physical assault to my body and mind. The word itself nothing more than a placeholder to convey the very primal idea of the very worst.

So KunT it was. KunT, I now was. And realizing that this word, in its full ignominy, with the full subtext of what was behind it, was to be my new name for the foreseeable future was only the beginning glimpse of the barrage of psychological and physical assaults that was yet to come...



I'm kind of surprised that, for a carefully staged abduction and captivity scene, the big impactful thing you are first reporting about is that he contemptuously called you a bad name. I assume other things happened, but if that is the thing that really sticks with you, it sounds like a much much milder scene than I was expecting.

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RE: Awesome scene lined up - 8/6/2017 9:30:17 AM   
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ORIGINAL: Bhruic

I'm kind of surprised that, for a carefully staged abduction and captivity scene, the big impactful thing you are first reporting about is that he contemptuously called you a bad name. I assume other things happened, but if that is the thing that really sticks with you, it sounds like a much much milder scene than I was expecting.


Did you miss the point where I said this was erotic FICTION?

I didn't actually give a fuck what he called. Hell, I still sometimes call myself cunt to him when we're chatting.
But the story popped into my head when I was laying and staring at the walls (it's actually just the beginning of the story), and it sounded hot, so I wrote it.

And btw, I don't know what the heck you're talking about on it being 'the first thing I reported' when the first thing I reported, (and second, and third) it a ludicrously long write up of actual events, here on this thread (page 4), and on Fet. https://fetlife.com/users/1692623/posts/4584756

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RE: Awesome scene lined up - 8/6/2017 9:40:55 AM   
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I find that, for me at least, your perspective is really unimportant and irrelevant. As I am a sort of subbish masochist, it is Ishtar's perspective, her interpretation of what happened and her reaction(s) to that idea that has relevance to me.


I TOTALLY get that.

There's some things I don't mind talking/debriefing about with Cali or Zach from their perspective. Heck some of them are actually kinda hot.

And then there's whole other categories where I just don't want to talk about it. Anything that humanizes Cali is just off the table for me for conversation.

I've joked to him before that not only does he have the 'chick who's out of his league' totally into him, she's got her completely and utterly sexually objectifying him, while callously not giving a fuck about him as a real person.

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RE: Awesome scene lined up - 8/6/2017 1:14:35 PM   
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Yeah, often I don't want to know why he does something, just so long as he continues to do it.

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RE: Awesome scene lined up - 8/6/2017 1:44:10 PM   
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Ishtar- i was wondering.... was it an eye doctor and/or opthomologist that diagnosed your vision loss as fluid on the eye related?

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RE: Awesome scene lined up - 8/6/2017 2:28:59 PM   
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ORIGINAL: tamaka

Ishtar- i was wondering.... was it an eye doctor and/or opthomologist that diagnosed your vision loss as fluid on the eye related?


Not this time. But last time (nearly a decade ago) there was. He explained the dynamics of fluid shifting in the lens, and I've heard it mentioned by other heavy gear users since then.
Though last time it happened it wasn't this bad, nor did it last this long.

I did self checks on making sure my vision was back to normal, and I'm back to 20/8 in my right eye, and 20/10 in my left. That combined with a lack of pain/discomfort/bad sensation from the moment the blindfold came off, made seeing an ophthalmologist not seem necessary.

At the moment seeing a physical therapist about my pinched ulnar nerve seems much more relevant, but I haven't bothered doing that either.

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RE: Awesome scene lined up - 8/6/2017 2:47:34 PM   
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Ok because you also described a bad headache and bad headache and blurred vision are the sign of a stroke. I have two friends who both have wives that had a stroke in their early 30's. Both girls were otherwise very healthy, non-smokers, in good shape, etc.

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RE: Awesome scene lined up - 8/6/2017 3:47:10 PM   
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ORIGINAL: tamaka

Ok because you also described a bad headache and bad headache and blurred vision are the sign of a stroke. I have two friends who both have wives that had a stroke in their early 30's. Both girls were otherwise very healthy, non-smokers, in good shape, etc.


Yeah I also had super heavy compression around my head, which was becoming increasingly more painful over time. And the headache went away the instant the pressure was relieved.

There's a point where the most logical cause makes the most sense.

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RE: Awesome scene lined up - 8/6/2017 4:53:09 PM   
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You would impress me (over to you) and I would watch your tongue with me - fair ;)
I know all

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RE: Awesome scene lined up - 8/6/2017 4:54:42 PM   
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Perhaps you can call me or I you?

The rest of you stand aside in this instance

?

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RE: Awesome scene lined up - 8/6/2017 5:09:13 PM   
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married mutt wretch it would be very unwise of you to approach I your better unless you are on your knees - I know all

But I must deal with OP

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RE: Awesome scene lined up - 8/6/2017 5:10:30 PM   
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Can I call you?

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