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RE: White Nationalists turn violent in VA -- state of e... - 8/25/2017 4:42:10 PM   
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last piece of "crap" from another mises "fool."

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While most people believe that our healthcare industry is one comprised of free markets, it is anything but. The industry is completely distorted by government manipulation.[1]

To start with, the American Medical Association (AMA) has had a government-granted monopoly on the healthcare system for over 100 years. It has intentionally restricted the number of doctors allowed to practice medicine so as to raise physician incomes artificially. The primary way it does this is by using the coercive power of the state to restrict the number of approved medical schools in operation. After the AMA created its Council on Medical Education in 1904, state medical boards complied with the AMA's recommendation to close down medical schools.

Within three years, 25 schools had been shut down, and the number of students at remaining schools was reduced by 50 percent. After three more years, 10 more schools were closed. Since that time, the US population has increased by 284 percent, while the number of medical schools has declined by 26 percent to 123.[2] In 1996, the peak year for applications, only 16,500 candidates were accepted out of 47,000. While high rejection rates can be common in many schools, applicants to medical schools are usually among the brightest and highest-quality students and have put themselves through a very costly admissions process.

High rejection rates are why so many aspiring doctors attend medical schools in the Caribbean, where they are prepared to be American doctors. The medical monopoly also marginalizes or outlaws alternative or slightly alternative (i.e., competing) medical practices, along with nurses and midwives, who could perform many of the tasks doctors do today...



lots more here:

https://www.mises.org/library/myth-free-market-healthcare

and now back to your regularly scheduled maniacal (is that a pun?) Nazi hysteria...

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RE: White Nationalists turn violent in VA -- state of e... - 8/25/2017 5:02:11 PM   
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Don't forget the Illuminati. And the Rothschilds.

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RE: White Nationalists turn violent in VA -- state of e... - 8/25/2017 5:15:53 PM   
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Don't forget the Illuminati. And the Rothschilds.


Nazi Russian robots everywhere

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RE: White Nationalists turn violent in VA -- state of e... - 8/25/2017 5:18:11 PM   
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Don't forget the Illuminati. And the Rothschilds.



...and the Koch's...... oh wait, that's actually possible....sorry...

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RE: White Nationalists turn violent in VA -- state of e... - 8/25/2017 5:21:30 PM   
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ORIGINAL: Musicmystery

Don't forget the Illuminati. And the Rothschilds.


Nazi Russian robots everywhere



boss-hoe having a brain.....


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RE: White Nationalists turn violent in VA -- state of e... - 8/25/2017 5:52:18 PM   
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ORIGINAL: BoscoX


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ORIGINAL: Musicmystery

Don't forget the Illuminati. And the Rothschilds.


Nazi Russian robots everywhere


as if government laws and regulations and actual historical occurrences are on par with conspiracy theories.

i suspect too many wild mushrooms.


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RE: White Nationalists turn violent in VA -- state of e... - 8/25/2017 6:06:12 PM   
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The U.S. “health care cost crisis” didn’t start until 1965.

•In 1910, the physician oligopoly was started during the Republican administration of William Taft after the American Medical Association lobbied the states to strengthen the regulation of medical licensure and allow their state AMA offices to oversee the closure or merger of nearly half of medical schools and also the reduction of class sizes. The states have been subsidizing the education of the number of doctors recommended by the AMA.

•In 1925, prescription drug monopolies begun after the federal government led by Republican President Calvin Coolidge started allowing the patenting of drugs. (Drug monopolies have also been promoted by government research and development subsidies targeted to favored pharmaceutical companies.)

•In 1945, buyer monopolization begun after the McCarran-Ferguson Act led by the Roosevelt Administration exempted the business of medical insurance from most federal regulation, including antitrust laws. (States have also more recently contributed to the monopolization by requiring health care plans to meet standards for coverage.)

•In 1946, institutional provider monopolization begun after favored hospitals received federal subsidies (matching grants and loans) provided under the Hospital Survey and Construction Act passed during the Truman Administration. (States have also been exempting non-profit hospitals from antitrust laws.)

•In 1951, employers started to become the dominant third-party insurance buyer during the Truman Administration after the Internal Revenue Service declared group premiums tax-deductible.


Okay, so, The health cost monster started in 1965, except that it started in 1910 and 1925 and 1945 and 1946 and 1951.

Carry on.

•In 1965, nationalization was started with a government buyer monopoly after the Johnson Administration led passage of Medicare and Medicaid which provided health insurance for the elderly and poor, respectively.

•In 1974, buyer monopolization was strengthened during the Nixon Administration after the Employee Retirement Income Security Act exempted employee health benefit plans offered by large employers (e.g., HMOs) from state regulations and lawsuits (e.g., brought by people denied coverage).


Ahh, sorry to break this to you, but buyer-side economic power is referred to as monopsony power, the counterpart to supplier-side monopoly power. Look up Walmart vs. cratered factories in China and India..

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•In 1984, prescription drug monopolies were strengthened during the Reagan Administration after the Drug Price Competition and Patent Term Restoration Act permitted the extension of patents beyond 20 years. (The government has also allowed pharmaceuticals companies to bribe physicians to prescribe more expensive drugs.)

•In 2003, prescription drug monopolies were strengthened during the Bush Administration after the Medicare Prescription Drug, Improvement, and Modernization Act provided subsidies to the elderly for drugs.


In any case, thanks for pointing out how Republicans have benefited society by way of funneling more worker dollars to their masters, as has always been the party platform, and, per Mr. Friedman himself, as anti-freemarket as it gets. No one in the Republican party gets voted in for making a it fair playing field, i.e., a bonafide "free market." That would be counter to the purpose. And thanks for being such a hero and voting to that cause.

quote:

https://mises.org/blog/how-government-regulations-made-healthcare-so-expensive


I'll throw a C-note to you or anyone else in the US who reads that site and adheres to its notions and can actually pronounce von Mises correctly.


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RE: White Nationalists turn violent in VA -- state of e... - 8/25/2017 6:42:34 PM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: bounty44

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ORIGINAL: BoscoX


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ORIGINAL: Musicmystery

Don't forget the Illuminati. And the Rothschilds.


Nazi Russian robots everywhere


as if government laws and regulations and actual historical occurrences are on par with conspiracy theories.

i suspect too many wild mushrooms.



at least less wild mushrooms than u thinking the free market will on its own fix a healthcare market its upper management is making too much income from.

I'm waiting to hear ur response to post #840.... or just say u cant.






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RE: White Nationalists turn violent in VA -- state of e... - 8/26/2017 12:21:20 AM   
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Don't forget the Illuminati. And the Rothschilds.


Hahahahahahahahaha

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RE: White Nationalists turn violent in VA -- state of e... - 8/26/2017 12:27:53 AM   
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And I'll repeat that clearly it's not a major factor, given the evidence presented that you decided not to care about.
Medicaid does not pay anything close to top dollar / market rates.
Beyond that, the government has nearly nil to do with health care rates. The ACA is about health care insurance.


Nearly the rest of the world doing something totally different than us is no proof that government action in the market doesn't have anything to do with the cost of medical care, in the US.

The ACA is, indeed, about health care insurance. Yet, one of the few things I actually like about the ACA is the requirement that a minimum of 80% of premiums collected get spend directly on care. That helps limit premium costs, yet premium costs keep going up. Perhaps because they're tied to care costs?

I'm sure you're familiar enough with EMTALA to know that's not a Market-based thing, but a government mandate. That requirement does have an impact on costs, no?

The AMA is, essentially, a government authorized monopoly.

https://mises.org/blog/how-government-regulations-made-healthcare-so-expensive

Yeah. Government action has had nothing to do with care costs in the US.




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RE: White Nationalists turn violent in VA -- state of e... - 8/26/2017 5:42:09 AM   
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OK. It's totally a government thing. If the government would just let of it all, health care would be perfect, dirt cheap, available to all.

We'd never get sick and we'll never die.

And . . . this is a white supremacist issue how again?

Charlottesville was about health care?

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RE: White Nationalists turn violent in VA -- state of e... - 8/26/2017 1:06:24 PM   
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OK. It's totally a government thing. If the government would just let of it all, health care would be perfect, dirt cheap, available to all.

We'd never get sick and we'll never die.

And . . . this is a white supremacist issue how again?

Charlottesville was about health care?


I saw something on C-Span yesterday which I found fascinating...and something we can all (anyone above 45) recall.

Guy said (industry expert) that almost "no one" had health insurance until about 1969 (Medicare...first national health insurance: 1966), and if you'll recall...when you were a kid and you were sick/had a cold...your parents took you to the doctor.."here kid...take this"...paid to see the doc....if you broke your arm...they paid the doc to fix it...and off you went...la de da....

When did health insurance costs start going crazy?

As soon as the government started paying for it.

When did technology (and therefore, health care costs) begin to outpace insurance costs? Same time we went to the moon...when...technologically showed...we could.

Of course, that's also when we went from average age at death of 70 or so...to 80 something today.

And of course, now, every one of us is all up in arms about how "I have a RIGHT to this medical care by GAWWWWD!!!".

Well...actually...no you don't.

It turns out...prior to national health care....you were going to make it to juuuuust about the age to collect SSI.

So...your "natural" death time was...mid 60's.

Now, you'll live a decade or more beyond same.

And when Johnson started stealing your SSI money ("Guns and Butter")....there wasn't a huge risk in doing so because...you MIGHT live 4+ years beyond the date you asked for your first check so.....that could be dealt with...with new taxes.

Except....a funny thing happened on the way from 1963 to the mid 80's....you decided to live longer.

(Fargin Bastage).

So...as it turns out, indeed...the government IS and WAS the problem.

(Technology had a part in it as well)

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RE: White Nationalists turn violent in VA -- state of e... - 8/26/2017 1:07:36 PM   
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There's not a one of you I would hire as an analyst.

Ever.

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RE: White Nationalists turn violent in VA -- state of e... - 8/26/2017 1:09:01 PM   
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There's not a one of you I would hire as an analyst.

Ever.


(Personally...I wouldn't hire me for dog catcher....thankfully...enough disagree with both you...and I that I can still pay my bills).

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RE: White Nationalists turn violent in VA -- state of e... - 8/26/2017 1:18:00 PM   
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OK. It's totally a government thing. If the government would just let of it all, health care would be perfect, dirt cheap, available to all.
we'd never get sick and we'll never die.


Nowhere did I claim government was the sole reason for the high costs. I do think it's a huge reason for the high cost of care in the US.

Employer -provided health insurance is a market response to government actions.

Government opening itself up to be the payer is going to distort the market and government will cave to pressures and the spigot is going to open wide.

I've said it before, if the US is going to have Universal Care, it's going to have to almost completely take over the sector; own the provider infrastructures, be the employer, etc. But, to do that, I wholeheartedly believe it's going to take a Constitutional Amendment authorizing it (and, I've also said before, I'd support an Amendment for that). IMO, there is zero chance care costs are ever going to drop in the US with bullshit little regulations. The Market will always find a work around. Government is going to have to go all-in, or get the fuck out almost completely. This middle of the road shit is only making things worse.


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And . . . this is a white supremacist issue how again?
Charlottesville was about health care?


Thread Drift, MM. Thread drift.


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RE: White Nationalists turn violent in VA -- state of e... - 8/26/2017 1:29:29 PM   
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And apparently that these were the good Nazis.


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RE: White Nationalists turn violent in VA -- state of e... - 8/26/2017 2:29:27 PM   
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And apparently that these were the good Nazis.


Nazi's = Devil (we don't really disagree on that)

Anyone opposing Nazi's = above wrongdoing (we do disagree on that)


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RE: White Nationalists turn violent in VA -- state of e... - 8/27/2017 4:09:41 AM   
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ORIGINAL: DesideriScuri

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And apparently that these were the good Nazis.


Nazi's = Devil (we don't really disagree on that)

Anyone opposing Nazi's = above wrongdoing (we do disagree on that)



Anyone opposing Nazi's = above wrongdoing on the same level as the nazi's, klan, ect. (we do disagree on that.)

starting with mass beatings and work ur way up to murders and lynching's....





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RE: White Nationalists turn violent in VA -- state of e... - 8/27/2017 4:43:18 AM   
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ORIGINAL: DesideriScuri

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And apparently that these were the good Nazis.


Nazi's = Devil (we don't really disagree on that)

Anyone opposing Nazi's = above wrongdoing (we do disagree on that)


From where I sit, the point is not whether anyone opposing Nazis can do no wrong. The point is that 'good people' don't associate with Nazis. The reverse of that is equally valid: anyone publicly associating with or supporting Nazis is not a 'good person'.

Trump's allocation of equal blame to both sides, (which many of us find so objectionable) relies on the assertion that there were 'good people' alongside the Nazis KKK et al at Charlottesville participating in a 'Unite the Right' march. There weren't any 'good people' marching with the Nazis. Public association with/support for Nazis automatically eliminates anyone meriting the descriptor 'good people'.

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RE: White Nationalists turn violent in VA -- state of e... - 8/27/2017 4:47:36 AM   
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Trump's allocation of equal blame to both sides, (which many of us find so objectionable) relies on the assertion that there were 'good people' alongside the Nazis KKK et al at Charlottesville in a 'Unite the Right' march


The thought really does make me struggle: Is it possible to be marching, shoulder to shoulder, with a man carrying a swastika? I'm damned sure I couldn't do that.

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