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It is always the right-wingers on these boards who LOVE guns... not just own them, not just know about them-- they LOVE them as much as they would love their children, possibly more.

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By 'libertarian' he means he favors small central government, not that he supports the libertarian party.
A left libertarian would support an egalitarian society and decentralization of power.

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And uniting people is exactly what the Reichstag Fire did... same as 9/11... people trading freedom for security, etc. Antifa could be.the first ones shipped off to the concentration camps, or whstever variation Trump dreams up. If people begin to support such actions, we will be in trouble. It could bs Antifa, could ne Muslims, could be illegals... whoever gets angriest and loses control first.
The Reichstag Fire wasn't a false flag... that was part of my point. The Communists were the first ones shipped off to concentration camps because they helped Hitler to prove they were a destabilizing factor and menace to German society. Then came the emergency powers, and then gradually it became genocide. Trump has already declared his approach to Afghanistan will be primarily about killing, has delighted in the idea of using torture and terrorist tactics... all of it has been tolerated without even a genuine crisis at hand. Such ideas are normalized now... so what happens during a crisis? What becomes acceptable then? Do you honestly think Trump won't go even further than torture, terrorism and killing campaigns? Further than 'rapists and murderers' and dipping bullets in pig's blood? Further than nuclear escalation?

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Hitler's antisemitism wasn't so much embraced by the majority of Germans so much as it was tolerated because of the other things he was able to provide.
Trump is similar in that the Rust Belt voted for his economic message despite his racist dog whistles. If he gives them jobs and makes others feel.safe, it will be the same thing.

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Trump is at the very least proto-fascist... his incompetence and stupidity are the only things standing in the way of him becoming a true American fascist dictator.

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By 'libertarian' he means he favors small central government, not that he supports the libertarian party.
A left libertarian would support an egalitarian society and decentralization of power.

Typically, the Left is not about a small central government and decentralization of power. Thus, what i found strange.

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By 'libertarian' he means he favors small central government, not that he supports the libertarian party.
A left libertarian would support an egalitarian society and decentralization of power.

Typically, the Left is not about a small central government and decentralization of power. Thus, what i found strange.

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As far as the Reichstag Fires thing goes, I don't think we're going to have something that makes that profound of a shift at once. I think we, Americans, will be more resistant to that much of a leap. But, I can see us still getting to that profound of a shift over many small shifts. I'm not sure The Patriot Act could have gone much further away from Liberty without a lot of resistance.

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Racist dog whistles? LMMFAO! You (generalized) project way too much on him.

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I disagree. I don't see him as a fascist, but I do see him as incompetent at this point.

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By 'libertarian' he means he favors small central government, not that he supports the libertarian party.
A left libertarian would support an egalitarian society and decentralization of power.

Typically, the Left is not about a small central government and decentralization of power. Thus, what i found strange.

You'd have said that anarchists lean to the right, then? I don't think I've ever met an anarcho-syndicalist or Kropotkin fan who'd agree with you on that.

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By 'libertarian' he means he favors small central government, not that he supports the libertarian party.
A left libertarian would support an egalitarian society and decentralization of power.

Typically, the Left is not about a small central government and decentralization of power. Thus, what i found strange.

Why are so many Americans are ignorant about politics that don't involve D vs R?

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As far as the Reichstag Fires thing goes, I don't think we're going to have something that makes that profound of a shift at once. I think we, Americans, will be more resistant to that much of a leap. But, I can see us still getting to that profound of a shift over many small shifts. I'm not sure The Patriot Act could have gone much further away from Liberty without a lot of resistance.

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Racist dog whistles? LMMFAO! You (generalized) project way too much on him.

So why do you think that he is the first president in decades to achieve this level of popularity with the far right?
His hair?

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I disagree. I don't see him as a fascist, but I do see him as incompetent at this point.

He is so blatantly fascist it's ridiculous.
On the other hand, he doesn't actually care enough about what he 'believes' to do anything about it.
He would rather just make shit up and bask in the adoration of his fan club .

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Perhaps because the incredibly dominant political arena is D v R with an occasional I thrown in for shits and giggles.

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Not enough people made a ruckus to prevent it, either. I think you would if they don't take smaller steps to get to that end game.

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I think the white supremacists see him as anti-Obama, both in skin color and in politics. Hillary, obviously, was the same skin color as Obama, but her politics aren't all that different from his.

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Do white supremacists also tend to also keep the womenfolk down?

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I disagree on the fascism claim.

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Perhaps because the incredibly dominant political arena is D v R with an occasional I thrown in for shits and giggles.

I don't think it's such a big leap to assume that politics are a global phenomenon and that left/right has many variations around the world.

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Not enough people made a ruckus to prevent it, either. I think you would if they don't take smaller steps to get to that end game.

It depends on the event.
If someone nuked LA or used dirty bombs in multiple cities at once, I can't imagine too many options being off the table.

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I think the white supremacists see him as anti-Obama, both in skin color and in politics. Hillary, obviously, was the same skin color as Obama, but her politics aren't all that different from his.

They didn't rally behind Romney, McCain, Bushes, Reagan... not sure about Nixon.
Has this ever even happened before?

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Do white supremacists also tend to also keep the womenfolk down?

The Nazis were pretty big on traditional gender roles and kicked women out of the workforce, so if they are on board with that the answer is yes.

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I doubt you'll find many on here that would disagree with your statement. But, when you're talking primarily about US politics on a site with the plurality of participants being from the US, is it really that far of a stretch to think that the terms that will be used will be used in accordance to the common usage in the US?

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First step is to get 'the people' to accept government as their provider. The Welfare System here has done quite a nice job of that. Many, and perhaps even, most, of the adults in the US would likely crawl and hide behind government in that case. I do believe there are enough people with their eyes open to stop it, though.

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Bush, Reagan and Nixon didn't run with Obama as President, so they're not really part of this situation necessarily. A quick search shows the KKK backed Romney and McCain.

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I have no idea if they hold the same beliefs. If so, them backing Trump over Hillary wouldn't be a surprise.

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As white supremacists go, Joey Gibson makes for a lousy one. For starters, he’s half Japanese. “I don’t feel like I’m Caucasian at all,” he says. Not to be a stickler for the rules, but this kind of talk could get you sent to Master Race remedial school.
And it gets worse. The founder of Patriot Prayer—a Vancouver, Wash.-based operation that sponsors rallies and marches promoting freedom and First Amendment rights along with all-purpose unity—also spews hippie-dippie rhetoric like “moderates have to come together” and “love and peace [are] the only way to heal this country.” Joey tends to sound less like an alt-right bully boy than a conflict-resolution facilitator or a Unitarian Sunday school teacher.

For his late August “Liberty Weekend” in the Bay Area, which was to include a free speech rally in San Francisco followed by a “No to Marxism” rally in Berkeley (headed by a local “transsexual patriot”), Joey advertised that “no extremists will be allowed in. No Nazis, Communists, KKK, Antifa, white supremacists .  .  . or white nationalists.” (So much for free speech.) Likewise, the advertised docket of speakers was to include “three blacks, two Hispanics, one Asian, one Samoan, one Muslim, two women, and one white male.” If becoming a liberty movement fixture doesn’t work out for Gibson, he has a promising future as a UC Berkeley admissions officer.

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But when it came to Joey Gibson’s Liberty Weekend, enter Nancy Pelosi, who seems to be pining for girlhood activism days, as she’s billed this “Resistance Summer.” Gibson secured a permit for his free speech rally to be held at Crissy Field, a former Army airfield next to the Golden Gate Bridge. But Pelosi loudly suggested the permit be pulled, saying the National Park Service should reflect on its “capacity to protect the public during such a toxic” event, which she termed a “white supremacist rally.” The fact that over two-thirds of the event’s scheduled speakers were minorities, that race wasn’t being discussed, and that the event was billed a “day of freedom, spirituality, unity, peace, and patriotism” didn’t seem to cut much ice with her.

No matter, Pelosi had lots of company. Sen. Dianne Feinstein wrote a letter to the Park Service, expressing her dismay that Crissy Field “will be used as a venue for Patriot Prayer’s incitement, hate and intimidation.” The mayors of San Francisco and Berkeley denounced the group, too. Conservative news outlets subsequently revealed that Berkeley’s mayor, Jesse Arreguin, was a Facebook member of BAMN (By Any Means Necessary), one of the antifa affinity groups that had helped trash his own city during the Milo riots. Yet this didn’t stop him from announcing that the city had printed up 20,000 “Berkeley Stands United Against Hate” posters for its citizens, not in anticipation of antifa’s next vandalizing, sucker-punching Viking raid, but to put everyone on notice about the Patriot Prayer rally. Perhaps Arreguin was worried antifa would unfriend him on Facebook.

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You'd have said that anarchists lean to the right, then? I don't think I've ever met an anarcho-syndicalist or Kropotkin fan who'd agree with you on that.

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He is so blatantly fascist it's ridiculous.

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Ya, Trump is a racist for saying there was blame on both sides.

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Ya, Trump is a racist for saying there was blame on both sides.

Oh hey someone doesn't know the difference between Berkeley and Charlottesville.

I guess I can stop feeling good about how you've been complimenting my intelligence lately, because that's really the kind of scenario where people like you tend not to have the best judgment.

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Ya, Trump is a racist for saying there was blame on both sides.

Oh hey someone doesn't know the difference between Berkeley and Charlottesville.

I guess I can stop feeling good about how you've been complimenting my intelligence lately, because that's really the kind of scenario where people like you tend not to have the best judgment.

You're so smart.

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I doubt you'll find many on here that would disagree with your statement. But, when you're talking primarily about US politics on a site with the plurality of participants being from the US, is it really that far of a stretch to think that the terms that will be used will be used in accordance to the common usage in the US?

It isn't a stretch.
What I'm saying is that it shouldn't be that way.

Wouldn't it be nice if instead of anyone who leans left being labelled a librul Hillary-supporting Obama-loving feminist socialist communist alt-left Democrat, we all took the time to understand each other's actual positions?
Having a series of interchangeable terms, all of which mean 'enemy', all of which are essentially meaningless epithets to those who use them, is really unhelpful in terms of having interesting discussions.

Everyone is always bitching about how much they hate the system... and yet they remain ignorant of the alternatives?

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First step is to get 'the people' to accept government as their provider. The Welfare System here has done quite a nice job of that. Many, and perhaps even, most, of the adults in the US would likely crawl and hide behind government in that case. I do believe there are enough people with their eyes open to stop it, though.

Sort of like how people voted for Trump because he promised to provide them with jobs?
Is 'please sir, give me a job, I beg you' really different from 'please sir, give me some money, I beg you'?

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Bush, Reagan and Nixon didn't run with Obama as President, so they're not really part of this situation necessarily. A quick search shows the KKK backed Romney and McCain.

It is understandable that the KKK hated having a black president, but it wasn't the ringing endorsement that Trump is getting from the far right.
There's a difference between hating Obama so much that you want his white opponent to win, and actively loving Trump because you're convinced he's going to kick all the Muslims out.

They preferred Romney and McCain's skin color, but they love Trump's policies and rhetoric.
The latter is a lot scarier.

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I have no idea if they hold the same beliefs. If so, them backing Trump over Hillary wouldn't be a surprise.

You don't think it was because he blamed everyone but America for America's problems and promised to kick out/ban a lot of non-whites from entering?
I do.

This is exactly how the far right thinks, and they know that Trump is one of them.

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I wish this nation would stop acting like idiots and start charting a realistic path forward.

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I wish this nation would stop acting like idiots and start charting a realistic path forward.

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I wish this nation would stop acting like idiots and start charting a realistic path forward.

Don't hold your breath waiting.