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RE: Why this hasnt hit the boards is beyond me - 12/30/2017 2:11:02 AM   
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Dec 30 2017, 1:22 am ET
Los Angeles man arrested in ‘swatting’ call that preceded fatal police shooting in Kansas

Los Angeles police arrested a 25-year-old man in a suspected "swatting" hoax 911 call in Kansas that ended in the fatal police shooting of an unarmed man.

The LAPD took Tyler Barriss of Los Angeles into custody in that city on Friday afternoon, on a fugitive warrant stemming from the Thursday evening incident in Kansas, a spokesman for the Los Angeles Police Department said.

Police in Wichita fatally shot a man identified by family members as Andrew Finch, 28, after officers responded to a hoax 911 call, police in Kansas said.

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Yeah, they arrested a Californian. I'm shocked, really (not so much).

D'ya know how California is just like a bowl of breakfast cereal?

Once you get past the fruits and the nuts, all you have left are the flakes.





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RE: Why this hasnt hit the boards is beyond me - 12/30/2017 2:13:20 AM   
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That's a great answer as to why so many unarmed people are subject to street execution, right?
All we have to do is tell the cub police is that everybody out there has a howitzer, so come out blasting.
"Well, I 'thought' he had a pinwheel or a .38, or remote control that looked like a bomb," because their police training taught them that if you slam a door down and he/she looks up in surprise, that is probable cause (for simple temporary questioning), which in this modern world being that "probable cause" get's to "justifiable homicide" lickity split.

We don't have all the details yet.
The cops showed up at a scene where they were told that there were hostages covered in gas.
He may or may not have made a move that looked like
grabbing a weapon. In that situation (and I am not saying it is ) how long do you wait?



https://www.yahoo.com/gma/la-man-arrested-over-swatting-incident-led-police-072205194--abc-news-topstories.html
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    The incident took place late Thursday when police were called about a supposed domestic incident at a Kansas man's home, where he had shot his father and was holding his other family members at gunpoint, police said in a press conference Friday. When police arrived, the man who opened the door was told to raise his hands -- a command he obeyed until he moved his hands down to his waist, police said.

    The officer fired one round, striking and killing the man. Police entered the home and found four people inside alive.


If he answered the door and started to raise his hands in compliance with police orders, then moved his hands towards his waist, that could have been the action that prompted the shooting.

WTF is this world coming to when you have people willing to "swat" people they don't know? Holy shit this is getting ridiculous.


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RE: Why this hasnt hit the boards is beyond me - 12/30/2017 8:59:48 AM   
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Maybe because those being arrested now have better weapons and are much more violent than those arrested in the past. Police officers have to respond accordingly.

Of course is more risk in being a cop.
On the other hand I have had two confrontations with the police.
One was a miscommunication.
A person noticed I was armed and panicked.
Cops showed up and knew I wasn't a threat but wanted to
ask me what I saw. I kept my hands where they could see
them, and right off they said they was not armed. At that point
I pulled my coat open and showed them that I was.
I held my coat open and let they take the gun.
We talked a while the person who panicked was brought down
and everything was cleared up.
The other occasion was when it seems I was swatted with the claim
That I was in illegal position of full auto weapons.
This time it was not local cops.
Both times I kept my hands in the open, did as I was told and didn't panic.
Neither time were they anything but courteous.

Could be that Edwirds attitude influenced things.


Of course. We had a nice discussion. The police told me that they removed the powder, but left the lead, knowing you couldn't tell the difference.

In actuality, I know a few good police persons, we work the same venues. I don't work those venues anymore, but it has gotten back to me that some of my LE live show partners are as perplexed as I am about this latest "instant death sentence" thing came into process.

They recognize it as "something new" themselves.



First you were threatened , now you had a nice discussion.
You and all your friends know that cops are brutal morons, and they can feel your contempt for them. This contempt is a major part of the problem.

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RE: Why this hasnt hit the boards is beyond me - 12/30/2017 9:05:53 AM   
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You and all your friends know that cops are brutal morons, and they can feel your contempt for them. This contempt is a major part of the problem.

Because, of course, that's purely a a one way process: no cop has ever felt contempt for lefties who don't deserve to be protected by the benevolent police state: these stupid liberals are even worse than the niggers, who at least have the excuse that they're too stupid to know any better.

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RE: Why this hasnt hit the boards is beyond me - 12/30/2017 10:45:03 AM   
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You and all your friends know that cops are brutal morons, and they can feel your contempt for them. This contempt is a major part of the problem.

Because, of course, that's purely a a one way process: no cop has ever felt contempt for lefties who don't deserve to be protected by the benevolent police state: these stupid liberals are even worse than the niggers, who at least have the excuse that they're too stupid to know any better.

Thank you, you have just confirmed my view of the left's opinion of the police.

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RE: Why this hasnt hit the boards is beyond me - 12/30/2017 10:58:27 AM   
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You and all your friends know that cops are brutal morons, and they can feel your contempt for them. This contempt is a major part of the problem.

Because, of course, that's purely a a one way process: no cop has ever felt contempt for lefties who don't deserve to be protected by the benevolent police state: these stupid liberals are even worse than the niggers, who at least have the excuse that they're too stupid to know any better.

Thank you, you have just confirmed my view of the left's opinion of the police.

You don't need confirmation: you've made your martyr complex and the pain you feel whenever some poor innocent bluebottle gets criticised for killing somebody they shouldn't have very obvious over your posting history.

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RE: Why this hasnt hit the boards is beyond me - 12/30/2017 12:11:41 PM   
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You and all your friends know that cops are brutal morons, and they can feel your contempt for them. This contempt is a major part of the problem.

Because, of course, that's purely a a one way process: no cop has ever felt contempt for lefties who don't deserve to be protected by the benevolent police state: these stupid liberals are even worse than the niggers, who at least have the excuse that they're too stupid to know any better.



If I may, I have watched people insult, ridicule and treat police officers who were just doing there job, without being complete asses when they really could have been.

While everyone is quick to blame ALL cops for having a bad attitude toward the citizens, no one seems to give a shit about the citizens treating cops like trash.

In answer to your question, I am quite sure that a number of cops have felt contempt for lefties who scream about the rights of offenders over the rights of victims.

I have heard liberals complain about the conditions in prisons and jails and turn around and propose crap that makes them almost 4 star hotels.

How would you feel if you were the arresting officer of some piece of scum that had already been sent up twice for rape/assault and hear some liberal ass attorney pull some fucking "he had a bad childhood, and cannot help himself." and then pull some psychiatrist out to prove the point, so the judge sends him to a state secure mental facility, and after a year he is declared 'cured' and not two weeks after release he rapes and damn near kills another woman?

Or how about the two pieces of scum in this case?

Fucking liberals screaming that the death penalty is cruel and inhumane, what about what they did to this family? Forget lethal injection, or something fast like using a dead fall hanging that snaps the neck, these two should have been slow roasted over a fire.

But hey, they get to live in a place, get three squares a day while the dad gets to visit the graves of his wife and two daughters. Their rights to life clearly meant more than the rights of the father to see justice done.

I was a cop, I saw some of the vilest pieces of human trash go in, serve short time because of good behavior and come out to commit more crimes. I have been the first on the scene where the victim was so savagely beaten they looked more like a road kill deer than a human, and some mother fucker gets the perp off on some 'mental' defense.

Christ with all the rights that the criminals have in this country we might as well abolish law enforcement.

Yes I support the death penalty, in fact I support bringing back public hangings in the court house square, firing squads, and for some, slow cooking them at the stake or staking them out over ant hills and take bets from the public on how long they survive.

In my opinion, many of these pieces of shit decided to ignore the rights of their victims and that should forfeit their rights for compassion, leniency, or a quick, painless execution.

Yes I agree there are bad cops, but what I dont agree with is this bullshit about it always being the cops fault.

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RE: Why this hasnt hit the boards is beyond me - 12/30/2017 12:21:54 PM   
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ORIGINAL: BamaD
You and all your friends know that cops are brutal morons, and they can feel your contempt for them. This contempt is a major part of the problem.

Because, of course, that's purely a a one way process: no cop has ever felt contempt for lefties who don't deserve to be protected by the benevolent police state: these stupid liberals are even worse than the niggers, who at least have the excuse that they're too stupid to know any better.



If I may, I have watched people insult, ridicule and treat police officers who were just doing there job, without being complete asses when they really could have been.

While everyone is quick to blame ALL cops for having a bad attitude toward the citizens, no one seems to give a shit about the citizens treating cops like trash.

In answer to your question, I am quite sure that a number of cops have felt contempt for lefties who scream about the rights of offenders over the rights of victims.

I have heard liberals complain about the conditions in prisons and jails and turn around and propose crap that makes them almost 4 star hotels.

How would you feel if you were the arresting officer of some piece of scum that had already been sent up twice for rape/assault and hear some liberal ass attorney pull some fucking "he had a bad childhood, and cannot help himself." and then pull some psychiatrist out to prove the point, so the judge sends him to a state secure mental facility, and after a year he is declared 'cured' and not two weeks after release he rapes and damn near kills another woman?

Or how about the two pieces of scum in this case?

Fucking liberals screaming that the death penalty is cruel and inhumane, what about what they did to this family? Forget lethal injection, or something fast like using a dead fall hanging that snaps the neck, these two should have been slow roasted over a fire.

But hey, they get to live in a place, get three squares a day while the dad gets to visit the graves of his wife and two daughters. Their rights to life clearly meant more than the rights of the father to see justice done.

I was a cop, I saw some of the vilest pieces of human trash go in, serve short time because of good behavior and come out to commit more crimes. I have been the first on the scene where the victim was so savagely beaten they looked more like a road kill deer than a human, and some mother fucker gets the perp off on some 'mental' defense.

Christ with all the rights that the criminals have in this country we might as well abolish law enforcement.

Yes I support the death penalty, in fact I support bringing back public hangings in the court house square, firing squads, and for some, slow cooking them at the stake or staking them out over ant hills and take bets from the public on how long they survive.

In my opinion, many of these pieces of shit decided to ignore the rights of their victims and that should forfeit their rights for compassion, leniency, or a quick, painless execution.

Yes I agree there are bad cops, but what I dont agree with is this bullshit about it always being the cops fault.

When did I say that? I was talking to somebody who's incapable of accepting that a member of your federal constabulary can ever be in the wrong. He was making excuses for the wanker who tried to arrest a nurse for refusing to give a dying man a blood taste, FFS.

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RE: Why this hasnt hit the boards is beyond me - 12/30/2017 12:35:25 PM   
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Maybe because those being arrested now have better weapons and are much more violent than those arrested in the past. Police officers have to respond accordingly.

There is little evidence to support this statement. It is just biased speculation by you.

Officer Deaths From Firearms Declined 33 Percent in 2017

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RE: Why this hasnt hit the boards is beyond me - 12/30/2017 1:17:41 PM   
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Maybe because those being arrested now have better weapons and are much more violent than those arrested in the past. Police officers have to respond accordingly.

There is little evidence to support this statement. It is just biased speculation by you.

Officer Deaths From Firearms Declined 33 Percent in 2017


Well that is all well and good except:

There was this little tidbit...


Then looking over the last ten years...


2007-70
2008-41
2009-50
2010-60
2011-73
2012-50
2013-34
2014-50
2015-43
2016-66

Which is to say, that the drop falls into the normal statistical trend of the last ten years, or 2017 per your article falls into the same statistic difference as 2011 compared to 2012, which when compared to 2013 showed a continued downward trend, but not long lasting.

So what is your point, that like usual, cops had one good year following a bad one?

That article proves nothing more than the normal ups and downs of police getting shot varies from year to year.

Of course there is Cops find themselves in arms race with criminals and then we know that the simple truth is that the police are never outgunned by criminals, that is just one more lie.

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RE: Why this hasnt hit the boards is beyond me - 12/30/2017 3:26:04 PM   
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You and all your friends know that cops are brutal morons, and they can feel your contempt for them. This contempt is a major part of the problem.

Because, of course, that's purely a a one way process: no cop has ever felt contempt for lefties who don't deserve to be protected by the benevolent police state: these stupid liberals are even worse than the niggers, who at least have the excuse that they're too stupid to know any better.

I have not said anything to defend the cop.
You , on he other hand want to claim this cop committed murder but you want to pretend that it condemns all cops.
That is what I object to.
I have noticed you are real loose with the N word.

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RE: Why this hasnt hit the boards is beyond me - 12/30/2017 3:33:26 PM   
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ORIGINAL: jlf1961


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ORIGINAL: WhoreMods


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ORIGINAL: BamaD
You and all your friends know that cops are brutal morons, and they can feel your contempt for them. This contempt is a major part of the problem.

Because, of course, that's purely a a one way process: no cop has ever felt contempt for lefties who don't deserve to be protected by the benevolent police state: these stupid liberals are even worse than the niggers, who at least have the excuse that they're too stupid to know any better.



If I may, I have watched people insult, ridicule and treat police officers who were just doing there job, without being complete asses when they really could have been.

While everyone is quick to blame ALL cops for having a bad attitude toward the citizens, no one seems to give a shit about the citizens treating cops like trash.

In answer to your question, I am quite sure that a number of cops have felt contempt for lefties who scream about the rights of offenders over the rights of victims.

I have heard liberals complain about the conditions in prisons and jails and turn around and propose crap that makes them almost 4 star hotels.

How would you feel if you were the arresting officer of some piece of scum that had already been sent up twice for rape/assault and hear some liberal ass attorney pull some fucking "he had a bad childhood, and cannot help himself." and then pull some psychiatrist out to prove the point, so the judge sends him to a state secure mental facility, and after a year he is declared 'cured' and not two weeks after release he rapes and damn near kills another woman?

Or how about the two pieces of scum in this case?

Fucking liberals screaming that the death penalty is cruel and inhumane, what about what they did to this family? Forget lethal injection, or something fast like using a dead fall hanging that snaps the neck, these two should have been slow roasted over a fire.

But hey, they get to live in a place, get three squares a day while the dad gets to visit the graves of his wife and two daughters. Their rights to life clearly meant more than the rights of the father to see justice done.

I was a cop, I saw some of the vilest pieces of human trash go in, serve short time because of good behavior and come out to commit more crimes. I have been the first on the scene where the victim was so savagely beaten they looked more like a road kill deer than a human, and some mother fucker gets the perp off on some 'mental' defense.

Christ with all the rights that the criminals have in this country we might as well abolish law enforcement.

Yes I support the death penalty, in fact I support bringing back public hangings in the court house square, firing squads, and for some, slow cooking them at the stake or staking them out over ant hills and take bets from the public on how long they survive.

In my opinion, many of these pieces of shit decided to ignore the rights of their victims and that should forfeit their rights for compassion, leniency, or a quick, painless execution.

Yes I agree there are bad cops, but what I dont agree with is this bullshit about it always being the cops fault.

When did I say that? I was talking to somebody who's incapable of accepting that a member of your federal constabulary can ever be in the wrong. He was making excuses for the wanker who tried to arrest a nurse for refusing to give a dying man a blood taste, FFS.

And you were lying to me about me. I have condemned several cops, a lot
more than you have defended but you forget that because you not only
know that in every case the cop is guilty but that so are the rest they just
haven't been caught yet.

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RE: Why this hasnt hit the boards is beyond me - 12/30/2017 9:12:26 PM   
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ORIGINAL: BamaD
You and all your friends know that cops are brutal morons, and they can feel your contempt for them. This contempt is a major part of the problem.

Because, of course, that's purely a a one way process: no cop has ever felt contempt for lefties who don't deserve to be protected by the benevolent police state: these stupid liberals are even worse than the niggers, who at least have the excuse that they're too stupid to know any better.



If I may, I have watched people insult, ridicule and treat police officers who were just doing there job, without being complete asses when they really could have been.

While everyone is quick to blame ALL cops for having a bad attitude toward the citizens, no one seems to give a shit about the citizens treating cops like trash.

In answer to your question, I am quite sure that a number of cops have felt contempt for lefties who scream about the rights of offenders over the rights of victims.

I have heard liberals complain about the conditions in prisons and jails and turn around and propose crap that makes them almost 4 star hotels.

How would you feel if you were the arresting officer of some piece of scum that had already been sent up twice for rape/assault and hear some liberal ass attorney pull some fucking "he had a bad childhood, and cannot help himself." and then pull some psychiatrist out to prove the point, so the judge sends him to a state secure mental facility, and after a year he is declared 'cured' and not two weeks after release he rapes and damn near kills another woman?

Or how about the two pieces of scum in this case?

Fucking liberals screaming that the death penalty is cruel and inhumane, what about what they did to this family? Forget lethal injection, or something fast like using a dead fall hanging that snaps the neck, these two should have been slow roasted over a fire.

But hey, they get to live in a place, get three squares a day while the dad gets to visit the graves of his wife and two daughters. Their rights to life clearly meant more than the rights of the father to see justice done.

I was a cop, I saw some of the vilest pieces of human trash go in, serve short time because of good behavior and come out to commit more crimes. I have been the first on the scene where the victim was so savagely beaten they looked more like a road kill deer than a human, and some mother fucker gets the perp off on some 'mental' defense.

Christ with all the rights that the criminals have in this country we might as well abolish law enforcement.

Yes I support the death penalty, in fact I support bringing back public hangings in the court house square, firing squads, and for some, slow cooking them at the stake or staking them out over ant hills and take bets from the public on how long they survive.

In my opinion, many of these pieces of shit decided to ignore the rights of their victims and that should forfeit their rights for compassion, leniency, or a quick, painless execution.

Yes I agree there are bad cops, but what I dont agree with is this bullshit about it always being the cops fault.

When did I say that? I was talking to somebody who's incapable of accepting that a member of your federal constabulary can ever be in the wrong. He was making excuses for the wanker who tried to arrest a nurse for refusing to give a dying man a blood taste, FFS.

In that case he was enforcing the law as written. It was cleared up. If he had
not been enforcing the law then of course he would have been guilty of
deciding which laws he liked. I never said the law was right.

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RE: Why this hasnt hit the boards is beyond me - 12/30/2017 9:22:13 PM   
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In this case the cop haters want to pretend that the victim opened the door and they shot him.
That didn't happen. He was swatted and the cops arrived expecting to find a bloodbath.
The whole thing revolves around for his whether he grabbed . That could have easily
looked like he was going for a weapon in which case you can't be shooting your mouth about
murder unless you actually believe that at least one cop has to be down and bleeding.
If that didn't happen the cop is in big trouble.
The swatter is (or at least should be ) facing serious jail time.
Note that at no point did I say that the cop was innocent, just that maybe we should check
all the facts before the lynching.

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RE: Why this hasnt hit the boards is beyond me - 12/31/2017 11:41:07 AM   
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Meanwhile Deputies wait and make sure there is a gun. One deputy dead, four wounded.
Suspect dead. Much better, there were dead cops first.

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RE: Why this hasnt hit the boards is beyond me - 1/1/2018 3:04:55 AM   
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ORIGINAL: DesideriScuri WTF is this world coming to when you have people willing to "swat" people they don't know? Holy shit this is getting ridiculous.


What is the world coming to when the police higher command have instilled as standard procedure to not even even bother properly vetting or questioning sufficiently the original caller before sending a heavily armed hair-trigger military-style squadron to somebody who's pissed somebody else off?

As has been pointed out already, "SWATting is most often done by those who DO know their intended victims. That's the whole point in the first place.

Like I said, police training and official procedure comes from policy bestowed from above.

Is it because they are actually that stupid, or is it that they have such animus toward the the lower echelons of society, and paid well enough for implementing just that?


See a pattern, here?




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RE: Why this hasnt hit the boards is beyond me - 1/1/2018 3:27:46 AM   
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Maybe because those being arrested now have better weapons and are much more violent than those arrested in the past. Police officers have to respond accordingly.


Be that as it may (or may not, actually), it is irrelevant when speaking of the unarmed who are killed, or that percentage of population gun ownership is at least 50% less now than it was in the 1970s in the US.

The difference is "instilled fear" as part of modern police training, starting with the psychological profiles of applicants in preference to those more congenitally amenable to such training. The policy from above want's more hair-trigger response, so that's what gets implemented.

But to your assertion, the chart in this article shows that police killed in the line of duty has greatly decreased from 1970 to present. By more than 50 percent, in fact.

http://www.bbc.com/news/magazine-36826297




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RE: Why this hasnt hit the boards is beyond me - 1/1/2018 6:13:02 AM   
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You and all your friends know that cops are brutal morons, and they can feel your contempt for them. This contempt is a major part of the problem.

Because, of course, that's purely a a one way process: no cop has ever felt contempt for lefties who don't deserve to be protected by the benevolent police state: these stupid liberals are even worse than the niggers, who at least have the excuse that they're too stupid to know any better.

Thank you, you have just confirmed my view of the left's opinion of the police.


He is pointing out that the same RWNJs who keep saying 'libruls think all police r subhuman', also act like the cops are always right, absolved of all blame in every case, and downplay their mistakes/prejudices.
Thanks to the RWNJs, America is a place where absolutely everyone should probably be considered armed and dangerous... but that doesn't mean this is the first time somebody has swatted someone, or that only the asshole caller is to blame.

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RE: Why this hasnt hit the boards is beyond me - 1/1/2018 8:35:08 AM   
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ORIGINAL: BamaD
You and all your friends know that cops are brutal morons, and they can feel your contempt for them. This contempt is a major part of the problem.

Because, of course, that's purely a a one way process: no cop has ever felt contempt for lefties who don't deserve to be protected by the benevolent police state: these stupid liberals are even worse than the niggers, who at least have the excuse that they're too stupid to know any better.

Thank you, you have just confirmed my view of the left's opinion of the police.


He is pointing out that the same RWNJs who keep saying 'libruls think all police r subhuman', also act like the cops are always right, absolved of all blame in every case, and downplay their mistakes/prejudices.
Thanks to the RWNJs, America is a place where absolutely everyone should probably be considered armed and dangerous... but that doesn't mean this is the first time somebody has swatted someone, or that only the asshole caller is to blame.


If either of you had any active rain cells you would have noticed that at no
time I have said that the cop was clearly justified. But of course since I have asked to see what actually happened I must want
to give the cop a pass since if you don't automatically know the cop is a murderer you are not open minded since the only reason
anyone becomes a cop is so they can get away with murder. Both of you knew the cop committed murder without getting any facts.


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RE: Why this hasnt hit the boards is beyond me - 1/1/2018 8:58:15 AM   
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What is the world coming to when the police higher command have instilled as standard procedure to not even even bother properly vetting or questioning sufficiently the original caller before sending a heavily armed hair-trigger military-style squadron to somebody who's pissed somebody else off?

As has been pointed out already, "SWATting is most often done by those who DO know their intended victims. That's the whole point in the first place.

Like I said, police training and official procedure comes from policy bestowed from above.

Is it because they are actually that stupid, or is it that they have such animus toward the the lower echelons of society, and paid well enough for implementing just that?


See a pattern, here?

You haven't thought this one through much. Do you really want 911 operators to sit and try to "vet" the calls that come in, trying to figure out if the person on the line really has family members held at gunpoint or not? How awesome do you think that's going to go the first time somebody *thinks* it's a prank, but it's really not?

Then, it will be all about how police didn't respond and they get blamed for somebody killing their entire family. Does that sound like an improvement to you? How many actual Domestic Violence situations do you think will get ignored because people will be trying to figure out from the initial phone call whether somebody is in danger or not?



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