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The guy that called in the prank call is being charged with involuntary manslaughter, among other things.
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Involuntary manslaughter? Does that mean there's such a thing as voluntary manslaughter? I thought the whole distinction between manslaughter and murder was down to not deliberately setting out to kill somebody.

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Did they find any evidence of the bloodbath they turned up expecting?
I don't see why the fuck they should get the benefit of the doubt after shooting an innocent man over their assumptions.

It's going to be the second time I've asked this particular question, though it will be the first time I've asked it to you. Fast Eddie couldn't be bothered, so I'll try you, instead.

Have you really thought this whole thing through?

Based on every bit of information, that you actually believe, and have internalized in a way that only people in certain professions will ever know, tell me, as a decent man, that you would need to *SEE* that particular blood bath. Keep in mind how many reported (and unreported) instances that you've been exposed to. People who really do kill their partners, and yes, people who really do set their own children on fire.

Take the whole eight seconds to think about it.

Yes.
Mind you, I am saying that as a decent man, rather than as a cop who can get away with murder if he claims he didn't like somebody's body language, so that's just leftist propaganda, isn't it?

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ORIGINAL: BamaD

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ORIGINAL: jlf1961

The guy that called in the prank call is being charged with involuntary manslaughter, among other things.
source

Involuntary manslaughter? Does that mean there's such a thing as voluntary manslaughter? I thought the whole distinction between manslaughter and murder was down to not deliberately setting out to kill somebody.

You didn't know that and you dare to lecture us on the law.

If you can't answer the question, just say so instead of whining: I'm genuinely curious as to what sort of manslaughter isn't involuntary, as that's the big distinction between manslaughter and murder.

You plead ignorance of the existence of involuntary manslaughter.
Lady pack gave you a good explanation of the difference.
You were too busy trying to argue that no dead cops meant that the cop
who shot the victim had to go to jail.

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ORIGINAL: WhoreMods


Actually, I was arguing that no evidence of dead bodies at the supposed bloodbath meant that the cop was still culpable for shooting this poor sod regardless of how convenient it is to blame the whole thing on the wanker who phoned in a false report. I've not said anywhere in this thread that cops have no business shooting a suspect until they've been shot at themselves.

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And we have repeatedly told you, the man was shot at his front door BEFORE the cops could even get inside to see evidence of anything!

As in, they never even had the chance to get inside and were following procedure at initial contact, as in the first few seconds or minute of arriving ON SCENE.

I guess they should have done the Hollywood cliche kick the door in while other officers crashed through the windows thing after lobbing in a bunch of tear gas.

You know, the fictionalized way that everyone seems to think that cops operate when stuff like this is called in.

Or did you miss that part of the story that was linked to?

Which is why, your entire argument basically supports the idea that you are saying, cops should not do a damn thing until they have been shot at.

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ORIGINAL: WhoreMods

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ORIGINAL: BamaD

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ORIGINAL: WhoreMods

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ORIGINAL: WhoreMods
Did they find any evidence of the bloodbath they turned up expecting?
I don't see why the fuck they should get the benefit of the doubt after shooting an innocent man over their assumptions.

It's going to be the second time I've asked this particular question, though it will be the first time I've asked it to you. Fast Eddie couldn't be bothered, so I'll try you, instead.

Have you really thought this whole thing through?

Based on every bit of information, that you actually believe, and have internalized in a way that only people in certain professions will ever know, tell me, as a decent man, that you would need to *SEE* that particular blood bath. Keep in mind how many reported (and unreported) instances that you've been exposed to. People who really do kill their partners, and yes, people who really do set their own children on fire.

Take the whole eight seconds to think about it.

Yes.
Mind you, I am saying that as a decent man, rather than as a cop who can get away with murder if he claims he didn't like somebody's body language, so that's just leftist propaganda, isn't it?

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ORIGINAL: BamaD

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ORIGINAL: WhoreMods

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ORIGINAL: jlf1961

The guy that called in the prank call is being charged with involuntary manslaughter, among other things.
source

Involuntary manslaughter? Does that mean there's such a thing as voluntary manslaughter? I thought the whole distinction between manslaughter and murder was down to not deliberately setting out to kill somebody.

You didn't know that and you dare to lecture us on the law.

If you can't answer the question, just say so instead of whining: I'm genuinely curious as to what sort of manslaughter isn't involuntary, as that's the big distinction between manslaughter and murder.

You plead ignorance of the existence of involuntary manslaughter.
Lady pack gave you a good explanation of the difference.
You were too busy trying to argue that no dead cops meant that the cop
who shot the victim had to go to jail.

Actually, I was arguing that no evidence of dead bodies at the supposed bloodbath meant that the cop was still culpable for shooting this poor sod regardless of how convenient it is to blame the whole thing on the wanker who phoned in a false report. I've not said anywhere in this thread that cops have no business shooting a suspect until they've been shot at themselves.

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ORIGINAL: WhoreMods

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ORIGINAL: jlf1961
And we have repeatedly told you, the man was shot at his front door BEFORE the cops could even get inside to see evidence of anything!

As in, they never even had the chance to get inside and were following procedure at initial contact, as in the first few seconds or minute of arriving ON SCENE.

I guess they should have done the Hollywood cliche kick the door in while other officers crashed through the windows thing after lobbing in a bunch of tear gas.

You know, the fictionalized way that everyone seems to think that cops operate when stuff like this is called in.

Or did you miss that part of the story that was linked to?

Which is why, your entire argument basically supports the idea that you are saying, cops should not do a damn thing until they have been shot at.

To the extent that your argument is saying that people should play statues whenever talking to a cop in case they get shot because somebody's feeling paranoid, and nobody has any business complaining about unwarranted shootings by a cop who didn't like the look of somebody, I suppose, but both would be reading something into statements that isn't said, aren't they?

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ORIGINAL: WhoreMods

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ORIGINAL: BamaD

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ORIGINAL: WhoreMods
Did they find any evidence of the bloodbath they turned up expecting?
I don't see why the fuck they should get the benefit of the doubt after shooting an innocent man over their assumptions.

It's going to be the second time I've asked this particular question, though it will be the first time I've asked it to you. Fast Eddie couldn't be bothered, so I'll try you, instead.

Have you really thought this whole thing through?

Based on every bit of information, that you actually believe, and have internalized in a way that only people in certain professions will ever know, tell me, as a decent man, that you would need to *SEE* that particular blood bath. Keep in mind how many reported (and unreported) instances that you've been exposed to. People who really do kill their partners, and yes, people who really do set their own children on fire.

Take the whole eight seconds to think about it.

Yes.
Mind you, I am saying that as a decent man, rather than as a cop who can get away with murder if he claims he didn't like somebody's body language, so that's just leftist propaganda, isn't it?

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ORIGINAL: BamaD

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ORIGINAL: WhoreMods

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ORIGINAL: jlf1961

The guy that called in the prank call is being charged with involuntary manslaughter, among other things.
source

Involuntary manslaughter? Does that mean there's such a thing as voluntary manslaughter? I thought the whole distinction between manslaughter and murder was down to not deliberately setting out to kill somebody.

You didn't know that and you dare to lecture us on the law.

If you can't answer the question, just say so instead of whining: I'm genuinely curious as to what sort of manslaughter isn't involuntary, as that's the big distinction between manslaughter and murder.

You plead ignorance of the existence of involuntary manslaughter.
Lady pack gave you a good explanation of the difference.
You were too busy trying to argue that no dead cops meant that the cop
who shot the victim had to go to jail.

Actually, I was arguing that no evidence of dead bodies at the supposed bloodbath meant that the cop was still culpable for shooting this poor sod regardless of how convenient it is to blame the whole thing on the wanker who phoned in a false report. I've not said anywhere in this thread that cops have no business shooting a suspect until they've been shot at themselves.

And you can't get it through your head that the victim grabbed for his waste band before the cops got inside
the house where the evidence would have been.

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ORIGINAL: WhoreMods

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ORIGINAL: BamaD

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ORIGINAL: WhoreMods

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ORIGINAL: BamaD

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ORIGINAL: WhoreMods

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ORIGINAL: LadyPact

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ORIGINAL: WhoreMods
Did they find any evidence of the bloodbath they turned up expecting?
I don't see why the fuck they should get the benefit of the doubt after shooting an innocent man over their assumptions.

It's going to be the second time I've asked this particular question, though it will be the first time I've asked it to you. Fast Eddie couldn't be bothered, so I'll try you, instead.

Have you really thought this whole thing through?

Based on every bit of information, that you actually believe, and have internalized in a way that only people in certain professions will ever know, tell me, as a decent man, that you would need to *SEE* that particular blood bath. Keep in mind how many reported (and unreported) instances that you've been exposed to. People who really do kill their partners, and yes, people who really do set their own children on fire.

Take the whole eight seconds to think about it.

Yes.
Mind you, I am saying that as a decent man, rather than as a cop who can get away with murder if he claims he didn't like somebody's body language, so that's just leftist propaganda, isn't it?

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ORIGINAL: BamaD

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ORIGINAL: WhoreMods

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ORIGINAL: jlf1961

The guy that called in the prank call is being charged with involuntary manslaughter, among other things.
source

Involuntary manslaughter? Does that mean there's such a thing as voluntary manslaughter? I thought the whole distinction between manslaughter and murder was down to not deliberately setting out to kill somebody.

You didn't know that and you dare to lecture us on the law.

If you can't answer the question, just say so instead of whining: I'm genuinely curious as to what sort of manslaughter isn't involuntary, as that's the big distinction between manslaughter and murder.

You plead ignorance of the existence of involuntary manslaughter.
Lady pack gave you a good explanation of the difference.
You were too busy trying to argue that no dead cops meant that the cop
who shot the victim had to go to jail.

Actually, I was arguing that no evidence of dead bodies at the supposed bloodbath meant that the cop was still culpable for shooting this poor sod regardless of how convenient it is to blame the whole thing on the wanker who phoned in a false report. I've not said anywhere in this thread that cops have no business shooting a suspect until they've been shot at themselves.

And you can't get it through your head that the victim grabbed for his waste band before the cops got inside
the house where the evidence would have been.

Finch put his hands back up when he was told to stop going for his waistband, which makes the shooting seem a bit less clear cut than you're making out. The cop in question has been suspended pending an investigation, after all.

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ORIGINAL: WhoreMods

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ORIGINAL: BamaD

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ORIGINAL: WhoreMods

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ORIGINAL: BamaD

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ORIGINAL: WhoreMods

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ORIGINAL: LadyPact

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ORIGINAL: WhoreMods
Did they find any evidence of the bloodbath they turned up expecting?
I don't see why the fuck they should get the benefit of the doubt after shooting an innocent man over their assumptions.

It's going to be the second time I've asked this particular question, though it will be the first time I've asked it to you. Fast Eddie couldn't be bothered, so I'll try you, instead.

Have you really thought this whole thing through?

Based on every bit of information, that you actually believe, and have internalized in a way that only people in certain professions will ever know, tell me, as a decent man, that you would need to *SEE* that particular blood bath. Keep in mind how many reported (and unreported) instances that you've been exposed to. People who really do kill their partners, and yes, people who really do set their own children on fire.

Take the whole eight seconds to think about it.

Yes.
Mind you, I am saying that as a decent man, rather than as a cop who can get away with murder if he claims he didn't like somebody's body language, so that's just leftist propaganda, isn't it?

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ORIGINAL: BamaD

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ORIGINAL: WhoreMods

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ORIGINAL: jlf1961

The guy that called in the prank call is being charged with involuntary manslaughter, among other things.
source

Involuntary manslaughter? Does that mean there's such a thing as voluntary manslaughter? I thought the whole distinction between manslaughter and murder was down to not deliberately setting out to kill somebody.

You didn't know that and you dare to lecture us on the law.

If you can't answer the question, just say so instead of whining: I'm genuinely curious as to what sort of manslaughter isn't involuntary, as that's the big distinction between manslaughter and murder.

You plead ignorance of the existence of involuntary manslaughter.
Lady pack gave you a good explanation of the difference.
You were too busy trying to argue that no dead cops meant that the cop
who shot the victim had to go to jail.

Actually, I was arguing that no evidence of dead bodies at the supposed bloodbath meant that the cop was still culpable for shooting this poor sod regardless of how convenient it is to blame the whole thing on the wanker who phoned in a false report. I've not said anywhere in this thread that cops have no business shooting a suspect until they've been shot at themselves.

And you can't get it through your head that the victim grabbed for his waste band before the cops got inside
the house where the evidence would have been.

Finch put his hands back up when he was told to stop going for his waistband, which makes the shooting seem a bit less clear cut than you're making out. The cop in question has been suspended pending an investigation, after all.

Then he went for his waste band again which is when the shooting took place.
Again you show your ignorance even if the cop was shot in the back an is in the hospital
he is suspended for the duration of the investigation. And I never said I assumed it was a clean shoot
I have just said there isn't PROOF it wasn't.

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ORIGINAL: BamaD

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ORIGINAL: WhoreMods

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ORIGINAL: BamaD

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ORIGINAL: WhoreMods

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ORIGINAL: BamaD

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ORIGINAL: WhoreMods

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ORIGINAL: LadyPact

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ORIGINAL: WhoreMods
Did they find any evidence of the bloodbath they turned up expecting?
I don't see why the fuck they should get the benefit of the doubt after shooting an innocent man over their assumptions.

It's going to be the second time I've asked this particular question, though it will be the first time I've asked it to you. Fast Eddie couldn't be bothered, so I'll try you, instead.

Have you really thought this whole thing through?

Based on every bit of information, that you actually believe, and have internalized in a way that only people in certain professions will ever know, tell me, as a decent man, that you would need to *SEE* that particular blood bath. Keep in mind how many reported (and unreported) instances that you've been exposed to. People who really do kill their partners, and yes, people who really do set their own children on fire.

Take the whole eight seconds to think about it.

Yes.
Mind you, I am saying that as a decent man, rather than as a cop who can get away with murder if he claims he didn't like somebody's body language, so that's just leftist propaganda, isn't it?

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ORIGINAL: BamaD

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ORIGINAL: WhoreMods

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ORIGINAL: jlf1961

The guy that called in the prank call is being charged with involuntary manslaughter, among other things.
source

Involuntary manslaughter? Does that mean there's such a thing as voluntary manslaughter? I thought the whole distinction between manslaughter and murder was down to not deliberately setting out to kill somebody.

You didn't know that and you dare to lecture us on the law.

If you can't answer the question, just say so instead of whining: I'm genuinely curious as to what sort of manslaughter isn't involuntary, as that's the big distinction between manslaughter and murder.

You plead ignorance of the existence of involuntary manslaughter.
Lady pack gave you a good explanation of the difference.
You were too busy trying to argue that no dead cops meant that the cop
who shot the victim had to go to jail.

Actually, I was arguing that no evidence of dead bodies at the supposed bloodbath meant that the cop was still culpable for shooting this poor sod regardless of how convenient it is to blame the whole thing on the wanker who phoned in a false report. I've not said anywhere in this thread that cops have no business shooting a suspect until they've been shot at themselves.

And you can't get it through your head that the victim grabbed for his waste band before the cops got inside
the house where the evidence would have been.

Finch put his hands back up when he was told to stop going for his waistband, which makes the shooting seem a bit less clear cut than you're making out. The cop in question has been suspended pending an investigation, after all.

Then he went for his waste band again which is when the shooting took place.
Again you show your ignorance even if the cop was shot in the back an is in the hospital
he is suspended for the duration of the investigation. And I never said I assumed it was a clean shoot
I have just said there isn't PROOF it wasn't.

There isn't any PROOF that it was, either.
There are accounts claiming he was shot, after he put his hand back up having jerked it back up too quickly for somebody's liking. Until some bodycam footage emerges, that's all hearsay, though.

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ORIGINAL: WhoreMods

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ORIGINAL: jlf1961
And we have repeatedly told you, the man was shot at his front door BEFORE the cops could even get inside to see evidence of anything!

As in, they never even had the chance to get inside and were following procedure at initial contact, as in the first few seconds or minute of arriving ON SCENE.

I guess they should have done the Hollywood cliche kick the door in while other officers crashed through the windows thing after lobbing in a bunch of tear gas.

You know, the fictionalized way that everyone seems to think that cops operate when stuff like this is called in.

Or did you miss that part of the story that was linked to?

Which is why, your entire argument basically supports the idea that you are saying, cops should not do a damn thing until they have been shot at.

To the extent that your argument is saying that people should play statues whenever talking to a cop in case they get shot because somebody's feeling paranoid, and nobody has any business complaining about unwarranted shootings by a cop who didn't like the look of somebody, I suppose, but both would be reading something into statements that isn't said, aren't they?

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ORIGINAL: jlf1961

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ORIGINAL: WhoreMods

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ORIGINAL: jlf1961
And we have repeatedly told you, the man was shot at his front door BEFORE the cops could even get inside to see evidence of anything!

As in, they never even had the chance to get inside and were following procedure at initial contact, as in the first few seconds or minute of arriving ON SCENE.

I guess they should have done the Hollywood cliche kick the door in while other officers crashed through the windows thing after lobbing in a bunch of tear gas.

You know, the fictionalized way that everyone seems to think that cops operate when stuff like this is called in.

Or did you miss that part of the story that was linked to?

Which is why, your entire argument basically supports the idea that you are saying, cops should not do a damn thing until they have been shot at.

To the extent that your argument is saying that people should play statues whenever talking to a cop in case they get shot because somebody's feeling paranoid, and nobody has any business complaining about unwarranted shootings by a cop who didn't like the look of somebody, I suppose, but both would be reading something into statements that isn't said, aren't they?

How in the fuck were the cops supposed to see evidence of a murder and hostage situation before they even got in the fucking house?

Answer that one before you go into yet another tirade about how the cop was at fault.

And, as far as playing statues, when you have a cop pointing a gun at you and tells you not to move, the wise move is to not fucking move period until told to do so by the officer pointing his gun at you, would you not agree?