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RE: Why this hasnt hit the boards is beyond me - 1/11/2018 11:29:21 AM   
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Police are not to shoot unless they are 100% positive that the suspect is a clear and present danger, which speaking from experience, means after the bastard has fired a few rounds and maybe killed someone.

Nobody else gets to shoot people just to be sure that they're not a threat with impunity and no consequences if they're wrong, why should the police?


Right, the cop that was killed a couple of weeks ago followed that idea, wait till he was dead sure there was a danger.

He got the dead part right.

And I am still amazed as fuck that the issue here is the action of the police, and not the fucker that set the whole situation up.

I guess he should get a walk...

Presumably lying about somebody having abducted a bunch of people and threatening to kill them is constitutionally protected free speech.


Excuse me? You have been consistantly on the side of "the cop fucked up" group since this was first posted.

Look, the cop told the person to keep his hands up and away from his body, the person did not listen.

How in the hell was the cop to know that the person had no fucking weapon on him?

And as I pointed out, a cop in Colorado was killed because he took the chance that the person he was dealing with was not armed.

Now, from what I gather from your argument, along with everyone else's, is that the police should wait till they are absolutely 100% sure there is no chance of a weapon on the suspect, even if it means a few dead cops, or a bunch of dead cops.

Tell you wait, you and every one else condemning the cop go out to Colorado and look up the widow of the officer that died because he waited. Tell her it is better her husband is dead than the chance of an unarmed person being shot because he would not listen to the officer's instructions about keeping his hands up.

And there was me thinking that they're supposed to be highly trained and competent to avoid shooting people they have no reason to put a few bullets through.

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RE: Why this hasnt hit the boards is beyond me - 1/11/2018 11:38:51 AM   
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Police are not to shoot unless they are 100% positive that the suspect is a clear and present danger, which speaking from experience, means after the bastard has fired a few rounds and maybe killed someone.

Nobody else gets to shoot people just to be sure that they're not a threat with impunity and no consequences if they're wrong, why should the police?


Right, the cop that was killed a couple of weeks ago followed that idea, wait till he was dead sure there was a danger.

He got the dead part right.

And I am still amazed as fuck that the issue here is the action of the police, and not the fucker that set the whole situation up.

I guess he should get a walk...

Presumably lying about somebody having abducted a bunch of people and threatening to kill them is constitutionally protected free speech.


Excuse me? You have been consistantly on the side of "the cop fucked up" group since this was first posted.

Look, the cop told the person to keep his hands up and away from his body, the person did not listen.

How in the hell was the cop to know that the person had no fucking weapon on him?

And as I pointed out, a cop in Colorado was killed because he took the chance that the person he was dealing with was not armed.

Now, from what I gather from your argument, along with everyone else's, is that the police should wait till they are absolutely 100% sure there is no chance of a weapon on the suspect, even if it means a few dead cops, or a bunch of dead cops.

Tell you wait, you and every one else condemning the cop go out to Colorado and look up the widow of the officer that died because he waited. Tell her it is better her husband is dead than the chance of an unarmed person being shot because he would not listen to the officer's instructions about keeping his hands up.

And there was me thinking that they're supposed to be highly trained and competent to avoid shooting people they have no reason to put a few bullets through.

Still sounds like you don't think cops have any business shooting till some of them have been shot.
Without dead cops they should go to jail if they shoot, and maybe even then.

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RE: Why this hasnt hit the boards is beyond me - 1/11/2018 11:42:27 AM   
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Police are not to shoot unless they are 100% positive that the suspect is a clear and present danger, which speaking from experience, means after the bastard has fired a few rounds and maybe killed someone.

Nobody else gets to shoot people just to be sure that they're not a threat with impunity and no consequences if they're wrong, why should the police?


Right, the cop that was killed a couple of weeks ago followed that idea, wait till he was dead sure there was a danger.

He got the dead part right.

And I am still amazed as fuck that the issue here is the action of the police, and not the fucker that set the whole situation up.

I guess he should get a walk...

Presumably lying about somebody having abducted a bunch of people and threatening to kill them is constitutionally protected free speech.


Excuse me? You have been consistantly on the side of "the cop fucked up" group since this was first posted.

Look, the cop told the person to keep his hands up and away from his body, the person did not listen.

How in the hell was the cop to know that the person had no fucking weapon on him?

And as I pointed out, a cop in Colorado was killed because he took the chance that the person he was dealing with was not armed.

Now, from what I gather from your argument, along with everyone else's, is that the police should wait till they are absolutely 100% sure there is no chance of a weapon on the suspect, even if it means a few dead cops, or a bunch of dead cops.

Tell you wait, you and every one else condemning the cop go out to Colorado and look up the widow of the officer that died because he waited. Tell her it is better her husband is dead than the chance of an unarmed person being shot because he would not listen to the officer's instructions about keeping his hands up.

And there was me thinking that they're supposed to be highly trained and competent to avoid shooting people they have no reason to put a few bullets through.

Still sounds like you don't think cops have any business shooting till some of them have been shot.
Without dead cops they should go to jail if they shoot, and maybe even then.

So who did this corpse who got shot because somebody lied about him and was shot by a paranoid copper who was feeling a bit twitchy shoot, then?
Don't you find anything amusing in your signature whenever you have to make excuses for the constabulary killing people who weren't any threat, btw?

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RE: Why this hasnt hit the boards is beyond me - 1/11/2018 11:46:32 AM   
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Police are not to shoot unless they are 100% positive that the suspect is a clear and present danger, which speaking from experience, means after the bastard has fired a few rounds and maybe killed someone.

Nobody else gets to shoot people just to be sure that they're not a threat with impunity and no consequences if they're wrong, why should the police?


Right, the cop that was killed a couple of weeks ago followed that idea, wait till he was dead sure there was a danger.

He got the dead part right.

And I am still amazed as fuck that the issue here is the action of the police, and not the fucker that set the whole situation up.

I guess he should get a walk...

Presumably lying about somebody having abducted a bunch of people and threatening to kill them is constitutionally protected free speech.


Excuse me? You have been consistantly on the side of "the cop fucked up" group since this was first posted.

Look, the cop told the person to keep his hands up and away from his body, the person did not listen.

How in the hell was the cop to know that the person had no fucking weapon on him?

And as I pointed out, a cop in Colorado was killed because he took the chance that the person he was dealing with was not armed.

Now, from what I gather from your argument, along with everyone else's, is that the police should wait till they are absolutely 100% sure there is no chance of a weapon on the suspect, even if it means a few dead cops, or a bunch of dead cops.

Tell you wait, you and every one else condemning the cop go out to Colorado and look up the widow of the officer that died because he waited. Tell her it is better her husband is dead than the chance of an unarmed person being shot because he would not listen to the officer's instructions about keeping his hands up.

And there was me thinking that they're supposed to be highly trained and competent to avoid shooting people they have no reason to put a few bullets through.

Still sounds like you don't think cops have any business shooting till some of them have been shot.
Without dead cops they should go to jail if they shoot, and maybe even then.

So who did this corpse who got shot because somebody lied about him and was shot by a paranoid copper who was feeling a bit twitchy shoot, then?
Don't you find anything amusing in your signature whenever you have to make excuses for the constabulary killing people who weren't any threat, btw?

Try reposting, and be coherent this time. You are still saying the cops can't shoot without a dead cop.

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RE: Why this hasnt hit the boards is beyond me - 1/11/2018 11:48:36 AM   
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Police are not to shoot unless they are 100% positive that the suspect is a clear and present danger, which speaking from experience, means after the bastard has fired a few rounds and maybe killed someone.

Nobody else gets to shoot people just to be sure that they're not a threat with impunity and no consequences if they're wrong, why should the police?


Right, the cop that was killed a couple of weeks ago followed that idea, wait till he was dead sure there was a danger.

He got the dead part right.

And I am still amazed as fuck that the issue here is the action of the police, and not the fucker that set the whole situation up.

I guess he should get a walk...

Presumably lying about somebody having abducted a bunch of people and threatening to kill them is constitutionally protected free speech.


Excuse me? You have been consistantly on the side of "the cop fucked up" group since this was first posted.

Look, the cop told the person to keep his hands up and away from his body, the person did not listen.

How in the hell was the cop to know that the person had no fucking weapon on him?

And as I pointed out, a cop in Colorado was killed because he took the chance that the person he was dealing with was not armed.

Now, from what I gather from your argument, along with everyone else's, is that the police should wait till they are absolutely 100% sure there is no chance of a weapon on the suspect, even if it means a few dead cops, or a bunch of dead cops.

Tell you wait, you and every one else condemning the cop go out to Colorado and look up the widow of the officer that died because he waited. Tell her it is better her husband is dead than the chance of an unarmed person being shot because he would not listen to the officer's instructions about keeping his hands up.

And there was me thinking that they're supposed to be highly trained and competent to avoid shooting people they have no reason to put a few bullets through.

Still sounds like you don't think cops have any business shooting till some of them have been shot.
Without dead cops they should go to jail if they shoot, and maybe even then.

So who did this corpse who got shot because somebody lied about him and was shot by a paranoid copper who was feeling a bit twitchy shoot, then?
Don't you find anything amusing in your signature whenever you have to make excuses for the constabulary killing people who weren't any threat, btw?

Try reposting, and be coherent this time. You are still saying the cops can't shoot without a dead cop.

No, you're saying that they can shoot if anybody fails to fall to their knees the second they barge into a house following up on a false tip.

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RE: Why this hasnt hit the boards is beyond me - 1/11/2018 12:40:10 PM   
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Police are not to shoot unless they are 100% positive that the suspect is a clear and present danger, which speaking from experience, means after the bastard has fired a few rounds and maybe killed someone.

Nobody else gets to shoot people just to be sure that they're not a threat with impunity and no consequences if they're wrong, why should the police?


Right, the cop that was killed a couple of weeks ago followed that idea, wait till he was dead sure there was a danger.

He got the dead part right.

And I am still amazed as fuck that the issue here is the action of the police, and not the fucker that set the whole situation up.

I guess he should get a walk...

Presumably lying about somebody having abducted a bunch of people and threatening to kill them is constitutionally protected free speech.


Excuse me? You have been consistantly on the side of "the cop fucked up" group since this was first posted.

Look, the cop told the person to keep his hands up and away from his body, the person did not listen.

How in the hell was the cop to know that the person had no fucking weapon on him?

And as I pointed out, a cop in Colorado was killed because he took the chance that the person he was dealing with was not armed.

Now, from what I gather from your argument, along with everyone else's, is that the police should wait till they are absolutely 100% sure there is no chance of a weapon on the suspect, even if it means a few dead cops, or a bunch of dead cops.

Tell you wait, you and every one else condemning the cop go out to Colorado and look up the widow of the officer that died because he waited. Tell her it is better her husband is dead than the chance of an unarmed person being shot because he would not listen to the officer's instructions about keeping his hands up.

And there was me thinking that they're supposed to be highly trained and competent to avoid shooting people they have no reason to put a few bullets through.

Still sounds like you don't think cops have any business shooting till some of them have been shot.
Without dead cops they should go to jail if they shoot, and maybe even then.

So who did this corpse who got shot because somebody lied about him and was shot by a paranoid copper who was feeling a bit twitchy shoot, then?
Don't you find anything amusing in your signature whenever you have to make excuses for the constabulary killing people who weren't any threat, btw?

Try reposting, and be coherent this time. You are still saying the cops can't shoot without a dead cop.

No, you're saying that they can shoot if anybody fails to fall to their knees the second they barge into a house following up on a false tip.

As usual you read what you have already decided I am going to say.
A. Everything happened outside.
B. The police tried to create a safe situation, contrary to what you want to
believe as long as he did what they told him to nobody fired.
C. At first he followed directions.
D. Nobody until they believed he was grabbing something in his waste band.
That may have been wrong but they have to demonstrate that it was not
only incorrect but unreasonable.
E. The real villain it the guy who sent in the deliberate false report that
set up both the victim and the cops.
F. The swatter is clearly the villain and the cop may have screwed up too.
If the cops screwed up I want proof, not assumption.
G. Remember when the cops showed up they expected to find a bloodbath.
H. None of that seems to matter to you, you have already declared cops to
be dumb and brutal, so any6 excuse to nail them is enough for you.

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RE: Why this hasnt hit the boards is beyond me - 1/11/2018 1:49:06 PM   
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Did they find any evidence of the bloodbath they turned up expecting?
I don't see why the fuck they should get the benefit of the doubt after shooting an innocent man over their assumptions.

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RE: Why this hasnt hit the boards is beyond me - 1/11/2018 4:46:10 PM   
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Did they find any evidence of the bloodbath they turned up expecting?
I don't see why the fuck they should get the benefit of the doubt after shooting an innocent man over their assumptions.

They never got into the house until after the shooting.
So all they had to go on was the fact that victim was uncooperative.
They wouldn't have seen the dead body, the restrained hostages or
even smelled the gasoline till then. but there are no dead brutal cops so they must be guilt, right.

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RE: Why this hasnt hit the boards is beyond me - 1/11/2018 4:50:14 PM   
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Did they find any evidence of the bloodbath they turned up expecting?
I don't see why the fuck they should get the benefit of the doubt after shooting an innocent man over their assumptions.

Yep they are obligated to assume that every crime report is false until the have
sent an unarmed officer to take the accused's word for what has happened.
At least you can get a dead cop that way.

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RE: Why this hasnt hit the boards is beyond me - 1/11/2018 7:12:35 PM   
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Did they find any evidence of the bloodbath they turned up expecting?
I don't see why the fuck they should get the benefit of the doubt after shooting an innocent man over their assumptions.



They never got into the fucking house to see if there was a blood bath. They were trying to secure a suspect that was not following instructions.

And to counter your argument, why the fuck should they think it was not as told to the dispatcher?

The fault is lies with the idiot who thought this was a neat practical joke, and the guy who could not follow simple directions to keep his hands up.

Look, I am ex military and I was a cop. There is no way in hell any officer is going to go on a call where the information is that at least one person is dead and there are hostages without expecting the worst.

To go in thinking any thing else is a good way to end up being a dead cop.

And contrary to popular hollywood generated myth, a ballistic vest is not 100% effective at stopping a bullet. The 'bullet proof vest' is a myth for anything over a .38, because it may or may not stop something bigger.

But hey, there are enough youtube videos proving that point.

Ask any trooper who has worn a flak jacket in a fire fight and took a round that punched through all that protective shit.

Ask any cop that had a round shatter a trauma plate and not only ended up with a bullet in his torso but chunks of ceramic plate.

You want cops that will wait to be absolutely sure there is no risk, then by fucking god start paying them enough to put their asses on the line for a bunch of shit for brains civvies that bitch about everything they do from parking tickets to stopping some mad man with a gun and how it could have been done better. The national average for a police officer is $61,000 a year, after 10 years of service.

Break down the pay versus hours actually on the job, breaks down to $10 an hour.

For that you get bitched at when you ticket someone, called every dirty name in the book for doing your job and basically treated like shit.

If you aint been on the sharp end you have no fucking clue how it could have been handled, and Wichita Kansas is not a quiet little podunk town where nothing happens.

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RE: Why this hasnt hit the boards is beyond me - 1/11/2018 7:28:13 PM   
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Did they find any evidence of the bloodbath they turned up expecting?
I don't see why the fuck they should get the benefit of the doubt after shooting an innocent man over their assumptions.



They never got into the fucking house to see if there was a blood bath. They were trying to secure a suspect that was not following instructions.

And to counter your argument, why the fuck should they think it was not as told to the dispatcher?

The fault is lies with the idiot who thought this was a neat practical joke, and the guy who could not follow simple directions to keep his hands up.

Look, I am ex military and I was a cop. There is no way in hell any officer is going to go on a call where the information is that at least one person is dead and there are hostages without expecting the worst.

To go in thinking any thing else is a good way to end up being a dead cop.

And contrary to popular hollywood generated myth, a ballistic vest is not 100% effective at stopping a bullet. The 'bullet proof vest' is a myth for anything over a .38, because it may or may not stop something bigger.

But hey, there are enough youtube videos proving that point.

Ask any trooper who has worn a flak jacket in a fire fight and took a round that punched through all that protective shit.

Ask any cop that had a round shatter a trauma plate and not only ended up with a bullet in his torso but chunks of ceramic plate.

You want cops that will wait to be absolutely sure there is no risk, then by fucking god start paying them enough to put their asses on the line for a bunch of shit for brains civvies that bitch about everything they do from parking tickets to stopping some mad man with a gun and how it could have been done better. The national average for a police officer is $61,000 a year, after 10 years of service.

Break down the pay versus hours actually on the job, breaks down to $10 an hour.

For that you get bitched at when you ticket someone, called every dirty name in the book for doing your job and basically treated like shit.

If you aint been on the sharp end you have no fucking clue how it could have been handled, and Wichita Kansas is not a quiet little podunk town where nothing happens.

Problem you have with WM is that you think a dead cop is a bad thing.

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RE: Why this hasnt hit the boards is beyond me - 1/12/2018 3:10:42 PM   
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Did they find any evidence of the bloodbath they turned up expecting?
I don't see why the fuck they should get the benefit of the doubt after shooting an innocent man over their assumptions.

Now your claim Hatti. Last week it was Lebanon.
Did Lebanon complain?

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RE: Why this hasnt hit the boards is beyond me - 1/13/2018 9:27:15 AM   
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The guy that called in the prank call is being charged with involuntary manslaughter, among other things.
source

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RE: Why this hasnt hit the boards is beyond me - 1/13/2018 9:53:17 AM   
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The guy that called in the prank call is being charged with involuntary manslaughter, among other things.
source

Good, I hope the cowardly SOB gets the max.

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RE: Why this hasnt hit the boards is beyond me - 1/13/2018 10:13:23 AM   
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The guy that called in the prank call is being charged with involuntary manslaughter, among other things.
source

Involuntary manslaughter? Does that mean there's such a thing as voluntary manslaughter? I thought the whole distinction between manslaughter and murder was down to not deliberately setting out to kill somebody.

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RE: Why this hasnt hit the boards is beyond me - 1/13/2018 10:18:26 AM   
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The guy that called in the prank call is being charged with involuntary manslaughter, among other things.
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Involuntary manslaughter? Does that mean there's such a thing as voluntary manslaughter? I thought the whole distinction between manslaughter and murder was down to not deliberately setting out to kill somebody.

You didn't know that and you dare to lecture us on the law.

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RE: Why this hasnt hit the boards is beyond me - 1/13/2018 10:29:13 AM   
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Did they find any evidence of the bloodbath they turned up expecting?
I don't see why the fuck they should get the benefit of the doubt after shooting an innocent man over their assumptions.

It's going to be the second time I've asked this particular question, though it will be the first time I've asked it to you. Fast Eddie couldn't be bothered, so I'll try you, instead.

Have you really thought this whole thing through?

Based on every bit of information, that you actually believe, and have internalized in a way that only people in certain professions will ever know, tell me, as a decent man, that you would need to *SEE* that particular blood bath. Keep in mind how many reported (and unreported) instances that you've been exposed to. People who really do kill their partners, and yes, people who really do set their own children on fire.

Take the whole eight seconds to think about it.


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Involuntary manslaughter? Does that mean there's such a thing as voluntary manslaughter? I thought the whole distinction between manslaughter and murder was down to not deliberately setting out to kill somebody.

Yeah, there actually is. In criminal law, there are three aspects to determine charges. Intent, action, and what's known as predetermination.

Involuntary manslaughter, as a generalization, means whatever scenario is going on, I didn't have the *intention* of harming you. I made a mistake or there was an accident of some kind, but my actions made you end up dead. Think of things like I ran a red light and you died in the car wreck.

Voluntary manslaughter are cases like, yes, I meant to harm you, I just didn't expect you to die. Stuff like we were having a bar fight or I *meant* to hit you with the car, I just didn't really think it was going to kill you. So-called "crimes of passion" are often in this category.

Murder, first degree or second degree, has the premeditation element. I planned it, I executed it, and my goal about this whole thing was for you to end up dead. I wasn't provoked with the threat of bodily harm, and it's not some kind of 'at the moment' decision.

That's the basic gist.

How do things work in the UK?




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RE: Why this hasnt hit the boards is beyond me - 1/13/2018 10:37:50 AM   
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Did they find any evidence of the bloodbath they turned up expecting?
I don't see why the fuck they should get the benefit of the doubt after shooting an innocent man over their assumptions.

It's going to be the second time I've asked this particular question, though it will be the first time I've asked it to you. Fast Eddie couldn't be bothered, so I'll try you, instead.

Have you really thought this whole thing through?

Based on every bit of information, that you actually believe, and have internalized in a way that only people in certain professions will ever know, tell me, as a decent man, that you would need to *SEE* that particular blood bath. Keep in mind how many reported (and unreported) instances that you've been exposed to. People who really do kill their partners, and yes, people who really do set their own children on fire.

Take the whole eight seconds to think about it.



Yes.
Mind you, I am saying that as a decent man, rather than as a cop who can get away with murder if he claims he didn't like somebody's body language, so that's just leftist propaganda, isn't it?


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The guy that called in the prank call is being charged with involuntary manslaughter, among other things.
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Involuntary manslaughter? Does that mean there's such a thing as voluntary manslaughter? I thought the whole distinction between manslaughter and murder was down to not deliberately setting out to kill somebody.

You didn't know that and you dare to lecture us on the law.


If you can't answer the question, just say so instead of whining: I'm genuinely curious as to what sort of manslaughter isn't involuntary, as that's the big distinction between manslaughter and murder.

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RE: Why this hasnt hit the boards is beyond me - 1/13/2018 11:01:36 AM   
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The guy that called in the prank call is being charged with involuntary manslaughter, among other things.
source

Involuntary manslaughter? Does that mean there's such a thing as voluntary manslaughter? I thought the whole distinction between manslaughter and murder was down to not deliberately setting out to kill somebody.


I think most just leave off the "voluntary" part, but, yes, there is voluntary manslaughter.

https://legal-dictionary.thefreedictionary.com/manslaughter
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    The unjustifiable, inexcusable, and intentional killing of a human being without deliberation, premeditation, and malice. The unlawful killing of a human being without any deliberation, which may be involuntary, in the commission of a lawful act without due caution and circumspection.

    Manslaughter is a distinct crime and is not considered a lesser degree of murder. The essential distinction between the two offenses is that malice aforethought must be present for murder, whereas it must be absent for manslaughter.


One example would be a murder committed at the height of passion. That is, the killer was provoked into it.

Voluntary manslaughter vs. Involuntary manslaughter has to do with intent. If there was intent to kill, it's voluntary.


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RE: Why this hasnt hit the boards is beyond me - 1/13/2018 1:02:09 PM   
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Did they find any evidence of the bloodbath they turned up expecting?
I don't see why the fuck they should get the benefit of the doubt after shooting an innocent man over their assumptions.

It's going to be the second time I've asked this particular question, though it will be the first time I've asked it to you. Fast Eddie couldn't be bothered, so I'll try you, instead.

Have you really thought this whole thing through?

Based on every bit of information, that you actually believe, and have internalized in a way that only people in certain professions will ever know, tell me, as a decent man, that you would need to *SEE* that particular blood bath. Keep in mind how many reported (and unreported) instances that you've been exposed to. People who really do kill their partners, and yes, people who really do set their own children on fire.

Take the whole eight seconds to think about it.



Yes.
Mind you, I am saying that as a decent man, rather than as a cop who can get away with murder if he claims he didn't like somebody's body language, so that's just leftist propaganda, isn't it?


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ORIGINAL: BamaD


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ORIGINAL: WhoreMods


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ORIGINAL: jlf1961

The guy that called in the prank call is being charged with involuntary manslaughter, among other things.
source

Involuntary manslaughter? Does that mean there's such a thing as voluntary manslaughter? I thought the whole distinction between manslaughter and murder was down to not deliberately setting out to kill somebody.

You didn't know that and you dare to lecture us on the law.


If you can't answer the question, just say so instead of whining: I'm genuinely curious as to what sort of manslaughter isn't involuntary, as that's the big distinction between manslaughter and murder.

You plead ignorance of the existence of involuntary manslaughter.
Lady pack gave you a good explanation of the difference.
You were too busy trying to argue that no dead cops meant that the cop
who shot the victim had to go to jail.

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