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Why is marijuana [hemp] illegal ? - 1/1/2018 7:22:35 AM   
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THE REAL REASON CANNABIS HAS BEEN OUTLAWED HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH ITS EFFECTS ON THE MIND AND BODY. Pot, marijuana and hemp is classified as a class 1 drug, the same as cocaine and heroin. Why ?

Schedule I

Schedule I drugs, substances, or chemicals are defined as drugs with no currently accepted medical use and a high potential for abuse. Some examples of Schedule I drugs are: heroin, lysergic acid diethylamide (LSD), marijuana (cannabis), 3,4-methylenedioxymethamphetamine (ecstasy), methaqualone, and peyote.

Schedule II

Schedule II drugs, substances, or chemicals are defined as drugs with a high potential for abuse, with use potentially leading to severe psychological or physical dependence. These drugs are also considered dangerous. Some examples of Schedule II drugs are: Combination products with less than 15 milligrams of hydrocodone per dosage unit (Vicodin), cocaine, methamphetamine, methadone, hydromorphone (Dilaudid), meperidine (Demerol), oxycodone (OxyContin), fentanyl, Dexedrine, Adderall, and Ritalin.

Reality:

Pot is NOT harmful to the human body or mind. Marijuana does NOT pose a threat to the general public. Marijuana is very much a danger to the oil companies, alcohol, tobacco industries and a large number of chemical corporations. Various big businesses, with plenty of dollars and influence, have suppressed the truth from the people.

The truth is if marijuana was utilized for its vast array of commercial products, it would create an industrial atomic bomb! Entrepreneurs have not been educated on the product potential of pot. The super rich have conspired to spread misinformation about an extremely versatile plant that, if used properly, would ruin their companies.

Where did the word 'marijuana' come from? In the mid 1930s, the M-word was created to tarnish the good image and phenomenal history of the hemp plant...as you will read. The facts cited here, with references, are generally verifiable in the Encyclopedia Britannica which was printed on hemp paper for 150 years:

Pot is NOT harmful to the human body or mind. Marijuana does NOT pose a threat to the general public. Marijuana is very much a danger to the oil companies, alcohol, tobacco industries and a large number of chemical corporations. Various big businesses, with plenty of dollars and influence, have suppressed the truth from the people.

The truth is if marijuana was utilized for its vast array of commercial products, it would create an industrial atomic bomb! Entrepreneurs have not been educated on the product potential of pot. The super rich have conspired to spread misinformation about an extremely versatile plant that, if used properly, would ruin their companies.

Where did the word 'marijuana' come from? In the mid 1930s, the M-word was created to tarnish the good image and phenomenal history of the hemp plant...as you will read. The facts cited here, with references, are generally verifiable in the Encyclopedia Britannica which was printed on hemp paper for 150 years:

Long read but very interesting. Highlites:

* George Washington, Thomas Jefferson and other founding fathers GREW HEMP; Washington and Jefferson Diaries. Jefferson smuggled hemp seeds from China to France then to America.

* Benjamin Franklin owned one of the first paper mills in America and it processed hemp. Also, the War of 1812 was fought over hemp. Napoleon wanted to cut off Moscow's export to England; Emperor Wears No Clothes, Jack Herer.

* For thousands of years, 90% of all ships' sails and rope were made from hemp. The word 'canvas' is Dutch for cannabis; Webster's New World Dictionary.

* 80% of all textiles, fabrics, clothes, linen, drapes, bed sheets, etc. were made from hemp until the 1820s with the introduction of the cotton gin.

* The first Bibles, maps, charts, Betsy Ross's flag, the first drafts of the Declaration of Independence and the Constitution were made from hemp; U.S. Government Archives.

* The first crop grown in many states was hemp. 1850 was a peak year for Kentucky producing 40,000 tons. Hemp was the largest cash crop until the 20th Century; State Archives.

* Oldest known records of hemp farming go back 5000 years in China, although hemp industrialization probably goes back to ancient Egypt.

* Rembrants, Gainsboroughs, Van Goghs as well as most early canvas paintings were principally painted on hemp linen.

* In 1916, the U.S. Government predicted that by the 1940s all paper would come from hemp and that no more trees need to be cut down. Government studies report that 1 acre of hemp equals 4.1 acres of trees. Plans were in the works to implement such programs; Department of Agriculture

* Quality paints and varnishes were made from hemp seed oil until 1937. 58,000 tons of hemp seeds were used in America for paint products in 1935; Sherman Williams Paint Co. testimony before Congress against the 1937 Marijuana Tax Act.

* Henry Ford's first Model-T was built to run on hemp gasoline and the CAR ITSELF WAS CONTRUCTED FROM HEMP! On his large estate, Ford was photographed among his hemp fields. The car, 'grown from the soil,' had hemp plastic panels whose impact strength was 10 times stronger than steel; Popular Mechanics, 1941.

* Hemp called 'Billion Dollar Crop.' It was the first time a cash crop had a business potential to exceed a billion dollars; Popular Mechanics, Feb., 1938.

* Mechanical Engineering Magazine (Feb. 1938) published an article entitled 'The Most Profitable and Desirable Crop that Can be Grown.' It stated that if hemp was cultivated using 20th Century technology, it would be the single largest agricultural crop in the U.S. and the rest of the world.

The following information comes directly from the United States Department of Agriculture's 1942 14-minute film encouraging and instructing 'patriotic American farmers' to grow 350,000 acres of hemp each year for the war effort:

'...(When) Grecian temples were new, hemp was already old in the service of mankind. For thousands of years, even then, this plant had been grown for cordage and cloth in China and elsewhere in the East. For centuries prior to about 1850, all the ships that sailed the western seas were rigged with hempen rope and sails. For the sailor, no less than the hangman, hemp was indispensable...

...Now with Philippine and East Indian sources of hemp in the hands of the Japanese...American hemp must meet the needs of our Army and Navy as well as of our industries...

...the Navy's rapidly dwindling reserves. When that is gone, American hemp will go on duty again; hemp for mooring ships; hemp for tow lines; hemp for tackle and gear; hemp for countless naval uses both on ship and shore. Just as in the days when Old Ironsides sailed the seas victorious with her hempen shrouds and hempen sails. Hemp for victory!'

Certified proof from the Library of Congress; found by the research of Jack Herer, refuting claims of other government agencies that the 1942 USDA film 'Hemp for Victory' did not exist.

Hemp cultivation and production do not harm the environment. The USDA Bulletin #404 concluded that Hemphemp produces 4 times as much pulp with at least 4 to 7 times less pollution. From Popular Mechanics, Feb. 1938:

'It has a short growing season...It can be grown in any state...The long roots penetrate and break the soil to leave it in perfect condition for the next year's crop. The dense shock of leaves, 8 to 12 feet above the ground, chokes out weeds.
...hemp, this new crop can add immeasurably to American agriculture and industry.'

In the 1930s, innovations in farm machinery would have caused an industrial revolution when applied to hemp. This single resource could have created millions of new jobs generating thousands of quality products. Hemp, if not made illegal, would have brought America out of the Great Depression.

William Randolph Hearst (Citizen Kane) and the Hearst Paper Manufacturing Division of Kimberly Clark owned vast acreage of timberlands. The Hearst Company supplied most paper products. Patty Hearst's grandfather, a destroyer of nature for his own personal profit, stood to lose billions because of hemp.

In 1937, Dupont patented the processes to make plastics from oil and coal. Dupont's Annual Report urged stockholders to invest in its new petrochemical division. Synthetics such as plastics, cellophane, celluloid, methanol, nylon, rayon, Dacron, etc., could now be made from oil. Natural hemp industrialization would have ruined over 80% of Dupont's business.

THE CONSPIRACY

Andrew Mellon became Hoover's Secretary of the Treasury and Dupont's primary investor. He appointed his future nephew-in-law, Harry J. Anslinger, to head the Federal Bureau of Narcotics and Dangerous Drugs.

Secret meetings were held by these financial tycoons. Hemp was declared dangerous and a threat to their billion dollar enterprises. For their dynasties to remain intact, hemp had to go. These men took an obscure Mexican slang word: 'marihuana' and pushed it into the consciousness of America.

MEDIA MANIPULATION

A media blitz of 'yellow journalism' raged in the late 1920s and 1930s. Hearst's newspapers ran stories emphasizing the horrors of marihuana. The menace of marihuana made headlines. Readers learned that it was responsible for everything from car accidents to loose morality.

Films like 'Reefer Madness' (1936), 'Marihuana: Assassin of Youth' (1935) and 'Marihuana: The Devil's Weed' (1936) were propaganda designed by these industrialists to create an enemy. Their purpose was to gain public support so that anti-marihuana laws could be passed.

Examine the following quotes from 'The Burning Question' aka REEFER MADNESS:

A violent narcotic, incurable insanity, soul-destroying effects, even make you an ax murderer.

Reefer Madness did not end with the usual 'the end.' The film concluded with these words plastered on the screen: TELL YOUR CHILDREN.

On April 14, 1937, the Prohibitive Marihuana Tax Law or the bill that outlawed hemp was directly brought to the House Ways and Means Committee. This committee is the only one that can introduce a bill to the House floor without it being debated by other committees. The Chairman of the Ways and Means, Robert Doughton, was a Dupont supporter. He insured that the bill would pass Congress.

Few people, at the time, realized that the deadly menace they had been reading about on Hearst's front pages was in fact passive hemp. The AMA understood cannabis to be a MEDICINE found in numerous healing products sold over the last hundred years.

In September of 1937, hemp became illegal. The most useful crop known became a drug and our planet has been suffering ever since.

THE WONDER PLANT

Hemp has a higher quality fiber than wood fiber. Far fewer caustic chemicals are required to make paper from hemp than from trees. Hemp paper does not turn yellow and is very durable. The plant grows quickly to maturity in a season where trees take a lifetime.

ALL PLASTIC PRODUCTS SHOULD BE MADE FROM HEMP SEED OIL.
MEDICINES SHOULD BE MADE FROM HEMP.
WORLD HUNGER COULD END.
CLOTHES SHOULD BE MADE FROM HEMP.

Finally:

The pot plant is an ALIEN plant. There is physical evidence that cannabis is not like any other plant on this planet. One could conclude that it was brought here for the benefit of humanity. Hemp is the ONLY plant where the males appear one way and the females appear very different, physically! No one ever speaks of males and females in regard to the plant kingdom because plants do not show their sexes; except for cannabis.

To determine what sex a certain, normal, Earthly plant is: You have to look internally, at its DNA. A male blade of grass (physically) looks exactly like a female blade of grass. The hemp plant has an intense sexuality. Growers know to kill the males before they fertilize the females. Yes, folks...the most potent pot comes from 'horny females.'

HERE

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RE: Why is marijuana [hemp] illegal ? - 1/1/2018 10:33:32 AM   
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ORIGINAL: MrRodgers
THE REAL REASON CANNABIS HAS BEEN OUTLAWED HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH ITS EFFECTS ON THE MIND AND BODY. Pot, marijuana and hemp is classified as a class 1 drug, the same as cocaine and heroin. Why ?
Schedule I
Schedule I drugs, substances, or chemicals are defined as drugs with no currently accepted medical use and a high potential for abuse. Some examples of Schedule I drugs are: heroin, lysergic acid diethylamide (LSD), marijuana (cannabis), 3,4-methylenedioxymethamphetamine (ecstasy), methaqualone, and peyote.
Schedule II
Schedule II drugs, substances, or chemicals are defined as drugs with a high potential for abuse, with use potentially leading to severe psychological or physical dependence. These drugs are also considered dangerous. Some examples of Schedule II drugs are: Combination products with less than 15 milligrams of hydrocodone per dosage unit (Vicodin), cocaine, methamphetamine, methadone, hydromorphone (Dilaudid), meperidine (Demerol), oxycodone (OxyContin), fentanyl, Dexedrine, Adderall, and Ritalin.
Reality:
Pot is NOT harmful to the human body or mind. Marijuana does NOT pose a threat to the general public. Marijuana is very much a danger to the oil companies, alcohol, tobacco industries and a large number of chemical corporations. Various big businesses, with plenty of dollars and influence, have suppressed the truth from the people.
The truth is if marijuana was utilized for its vast array of commercial products, it would create an industrial atomic bomb! Entrepreneurs have not been educated on the product potential of pot. The super rich have conspired to spread misinformation about an extremely versatile plant that, if used properly, would ruin their companies.
Where did the word 'marijuana' come from? In the mid 1930s, the M-word was created to tarnish the good image and phenomenal history of the hemp plant...as you will read. The facts cited here, with references, are generally verifiable in the Encyclopedia Britannica which was printed on hemp paper for 150 years:
Pot is NOT harmful to the human body or mind. Marijuana does NOT pose a threat to the general public. Marijuana is very much a danger to the oil companies, alcohol, tobacco industries and a large number of chemical corporations. Various big businesses, with plenty of dollars and influence, have suppressed the truth from the people.
The truth is if marijuana was utilized for its vast array of commercial products, it would create an industrial atomic bomb! Entrepreneurs have not been educated on the product potential of pot. The super rich have conspired to spread misinformation about an extremely versatile plant that, if used properly, would ruin their companies.
Where did the word 'marijuana' come from? In the mid 1930s, the M-word was created to tarnish the good image and phenomenal history of the hemp plant...as you will read. The facts cited here, with references, are generally verifiable in the Encyclopedia Britannica which was printed on hemp paper for 150 years:
Long read but very interesting. Highlites:
* George Washington, Thomas Jefferson and other founding fathers GREW HEMP; Washington and Jefferson Diaries. Jefferson smuggled hemp seeds from China to France then to America.
* Benjamin Franklin owned one of the first paper mills in America and it processed hemp. Also, the War of 1812 was fought over hemp. Napoleon wanted to cut off Moscow's export to England; Emperor Wears No Clothes, Jack Herer.
* For thousands of years, 90% of all ships' sails and rope were made from hemp. The word 'canvas' is Dutch for cannabis; Webster's New World Dictionary.
* 80% of all textiles, fabrics, clothes, linen, drapes, bed sheets, etc. were made from hemp until the 1820s with the introduction of the cotton gin.
* The first Bibles, maps, charts, Betsy Ross's flag, the first drafts of the Declaration of Independence and the Constitution were made from hemp; U.S. Government Archives.
* The first crop grown in many states was hemp. 1850 was a peak year for Kentucky producing 40,000 tons. Hemp was the largest cash crop until the 20th Century; State Archives.
* Oldest known records of hemp farming go back 5000 years in China, although hemp industrialization probably goes back to ancient Egypt.
* Rembrants, Gainsboroughs, Van Goghs as well as most early canvas paintings were principally painted on hemp linen.
* In 1916, the U.S. Government predicted that by the 1940s all paper would come from hemp and that no more trees need to be cut down. Government studies report that 1 acre of hemp equals 4.1 acres of trees. Plans were in the works to implement such programs; Department of Agriculture
* Quality paints and varnishes were made from hemp seed oil until 1937. 58,000 tons of hemp seeds were used in America for paint products in 1935; Sherman Williams Paint Co. testimony before Congress against the 1937 Marijuana Tax Act.
* Henry Ford's first Model-T was built to run on hemp gasoline and the CAR ITSELF WAS CONTRUCTED FROM HEMP! On his large estate, Ford was photographed among his hemp fields. The car, 'grown from the soil,' had hemp plastic panels whose impact strength was 10 times stronger than steel; Popular Mechanics, 1941.
* Hemp called 'Billion Dollar Crop.' It was the first time a cash crop had a business potential to exceed a billion dollars; Popular Mechanics, Feb., 1938.
* Mechanical Engineering Magazine (Feb. 1938) published an article entitled 'The Most Profitable and Desirable Crop that Can be Grown.' It stated that if hemp was cultivated using 20th Century technology, it would be the single largest agricultural crop in the U.S. and the rest of the world.
The following information comes directly from the United States Department of Agriculture's 1942 14-minute film encouraging and instructing 'patriotic American farmers' to grow 350,000 acres of hemp each year for the war effort:
'...(When) Grecian temples were new, hemp was already old in the service of mankind. For thousands of years, even then, this plant had been grown for cordage and cloth in China and elsewhere in the East. For centuries prior to about 1850, all the ships that sailed the western seas were rigged with hempen rope and sails. For the sailor, no less than the hangman, hemp was indispensable...
...Now with Philippine and East Indian sources of hemp in the hands of the Japanese...American hemp must meet the needs of our Army and Navy as well as of our industries...
...the Navy's rapidly dwindling reserves. When that is gone, American hemp will go on duty again; hemp for mooring ships; hemp for tow lines; hemp for tackle and gear; hemp for countless naval uses both on ship and shore. Just as in the days when Old Ironsides sailed the seas victorious with her hempen shrouds and hempen sails. Hemp for victory!'
Certified proof from the Library of Congress; found by the research of Jack Herer, refuting claims of other government agencies that the 1942 USDA film 'Hemp for Victory' did not exist.
Hemp cultivation and production do not harm the environment. The USDA Bulletin #404 concluded that Hemphemp produces 4 times as much pulp with at least 4 to 7 times less pollution. From Popular Mechanics, Feb. 1938:
'It has a short growing season...It can be grown in any state...The long roots penetrate and break the soil to leave it in perfect condition for the next year's crop. The dense shock of leaves, 8 to 12 feet above the ground, chokes out weeds.
...hemp, this new crop can add immeasurably to American agriculture and industry.'
In the 1930s, innovations in farm machinery would have caused an industrial revolution when applied to hemp. This single resource could have created millions of new jobs generating thousands of quality products. Hemp, if not made illegal, would have brought America out of the Great Depression.
William Randolph Hearst (Citizen Kane) and the Hearst Paper Manufacturing Division of Kimberly Clark owned vast acreage of timberlands. The Hearst Company supplied most paper products. Patty Hearst's grandfather, a destroyer of nature for his own personal profit, stood to lose billions because of hemp.
In 1937, Dupont patented the processes to make plastics from oil and coal. Dupont's Annual Report urged stockholders to invest in its new petrochemical division. Synthetics such as plastics, cellophane, celluloid, methanol, nylon, rayon, Dacron, etc., could now be made from oil. Natural hemp industrialization would have ruined over 80% of Dupont's business.
THE CONSPIRACY
Andrew Mellon became Hoover's Secretary of the Treasury and Dupont's primary investor. He appointed his future nephew-in-law, Harry J. Anslinger, to head the Federal Bureau of Narcotics and Dangerous Drugs.
Secret meetings were held by these financial tycoons. Hemp was declared dangerous and a threat to their billion dollar enterprises. For their dynasties to remain intact, hemp had to go. These men took an obscure Mexican slang word: 'marihuana' and pushed it into the consciousness of America.
MEDIA MANIPULATION
A media blitz of 'yellow journalism' raged in the late 1920s and 1930s. Hearst's newspapers ran stories emphasizing the horrors of marihuana. The menace of marihuana made headlines. Readers learned that it was responsible for everything from car accidents to loose morality.
Films like 'Reefer Madness' (1936), 'Marihuana: Assassin of Youth' (1935) and 'Marihuana: The Devil's Weed' (1936) were propaganda designed by these industrialists to create an enemy. Their purpose was to gain public support so that anti-marihuana laws could be passed.
Examine the following quotes from 'The Burning Question' aka REEFER MADNESS:
A violent narcotic, incurable insanity, soul-destroying effects, even make you an ax murderer.
Reefer Madness did not end with the usual 'the end.' The film concluded with these words plastered on the screen: TELL YOUR CHILDREN.
On April 14, 1937, the Prohibitive Marihuana Tax Law or the bill that outlawed hemp was directly brought to the House Ways and Means Committee. This committee is the only one that can introduce a bill to the House floor without it being debated by other committees. The Chairman of the Ways and Means, Robert Doughton, was a Dupont supporter. He insured that the bill would pass Congress.
Few people, at the time, realized that the deadly menace they had been reading about on Hearst's front pages was in fact passive hemp. The AMA understood cannabis to be a MEDICINE found in numerous healing products sold over the last hundred years.
In September of 1937, hemp became illegal. The most useful crop known became a drug and our planet has been suffering ever since.
THE WONDER PLANT
Hemp has a higher quality fiber than wood fiber. Far fewer caustic chemicals are required to make paper from hemp than from trees. Hemp paper does not turn yellow and is very durable. The plant grows quickly to maturity in a season where trees take a lifetime.
ALL PLASTIC PRODUCTS SHOULD BE MADE FROM HEMP SEED OIL.
MEDICINES SHOULD BE MADE FROM HEMP.
WORLD HUNGER COULD END.
CLOTHES SHOULD BE MADE FROM HEMP.
Finally:
The pot plant is an ALIEN plant. There is physical evidence that cannabis is not like any other plant on this planet. One could conclude that it was brought here for the benefit of humanity. Hemp is the ONLY plant where the males appear one way and the females appear very different, physically! No one ever speaks of males and females in regard to the plant kingdom because plants do not show their sexes; except for cannabis.
To determine what sex a certain, normal, Earthly plant is: You have to look internally, at its DNA. A male blade of grass (physically) looks exactly like a female blade of grass. The hemp plant has an intense sexuality. Growers know to kill the males before they fertilize the females. Yes, folks...the most potent pot comes from 'horny females.'
HERE


https://www.livescience.com/24558-marijuana-effects.html

https://www.webmd.com/mental-health/addiction/marijuana-use-and-its-effects#1

The article is full of shit when it says it is not harmful to the human mind/body.

That being said, hemp and marijuana are not exactly the same, though they are both parts of the same Species of plant. Hemp, traditionally, has a significantly lower level of THC and a higher level of cannabidiol (CBD) that actually inhibits the psychoactive effects. Marijuana, on the other hand, contains much higher levels of THC and keeps the psychoactive effects.

Hemp has industrial uses. Marijuana does not share that usefulness.

Marijuana has psychoactive effects. Hemp, for the most part, does not.

Lumping both together was definitely due to Big Business using it's influence to wield the blunt force of the Federal Government.

Being a Sched. I drug has also had a huge impact on limiting studying the plant (hemp and marijuana). Under President Obama, the restrictions on who was allowed to grow pot for research was changed. It used to be just the University of Mississippi that was legally authorized to grow pot for research. Because of that restriction, the amount of pot legally available for research has been very limited. Thus, the amount of research that can be done has been very limited.

There is a growing belief that marijuana has medically beneficial uses. Though the research isn't vast, from anecdotal evidence and reading lots of articles from various sources, I agree there are beneficial medical uses for pot.

I do not smoke pot, but I have in the past (less than 10 times with the last being over 2 decades ago). If it were legal in Ohio, I still would not smoke pot. I believe pot usage to be less dangerous to users and those around users than alcohol usage. I fully believe there are fewer carcinogens in pot smoke than in tobacco smoke, making it less harmful than cigarette, cigar, pipe, etc. smoking.

I voted against the proposed Ohio Constitutional Amendment in 2016 that would have legalized use (medical and recreational) of marijuana in Ohio. I did so because it would have constitutionally created a 4-farm oligopoly. Had the Constitutional Amendment legalized medical and recreational marijuana use and legalized it to be grown by whomever wanted to grow it, I'd have voted for it.

At the very least, the FDA needs to change the Schedule of Marijuana from I to II. It should also drop "Hemp" off the Schedules completely.

Btw, your link is also dead-ass wrong about the origins of the word. "Marihuana" was the term used by the early inhabitants of what we call Mexico. The term was used and demonized because it sounded "foreign" in the 1930's attacks on hemp.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Soybean_car

https://www.hemmings.com/blog/2017/04/23/fact-check-henry-ford-didnt-design-the-model-t-as-a-multi-fuel-vehicle/

https://truththeory.com/2017/02/15/henry-ford-invented-hemp-cars-ran-hemp-fuel/

http://theangryhistorian.blogspot.com/2010/10/hemp-car-myth-busted.htmlhttp://theangryhistorian.blogspot.com/2010/10/hemp-car-myth-busted.html

Go visit The Henry Ford Museum, and, more importantly, Greenfield Village (right next to THFM) and one of the presentations is of a Henry Ford engine that was designed to run off soybean ethanol. I've been there. I've seen it.

Your link has a whole shitload of inaccuracies. The general push of the article is not incorrect, but the basis for that push are inaccurate and skewed in their favor.


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RE: Why is marijuana [hemp] illegal ? - 1/1/2018 11:38:04 AM   
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How many ways do you need to numb your brain? What is wrong with you people? Are you afraid of reality...is your life so terrible that you must continually find ways to escape it? Grow up and become responsible.

Butch

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RE: Why is marijuana [hemp] illegal ? - 1/1/2018 1:10:16 PM   
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ORIGINAL: kdsub

How many ways do you need to numb your brain? What is wrong with you people? Are you afraid of reality...is your life so terrible that you must continually find ways to escape it? Grow up and become responsible.

Butch

Using pot for the high one gets, pales in comparison to the medical benefits and industrial uses...by a wide margin. One of points of the OP. As usual, the high flying capitalist wanted no part of that competition.

Same could be said of everyone who consumes even a few alcoholic drinks a week. I don't drink but a couple of Coronas a month. Nothing hard at all. And who are you to suggest...continually ?

Plus in my limited historical experience, pot does not 'numb' your mind and in particular, nowhere near what alcohol does. In many cases in fact, it stimulates the mind. Alcohol kills 1000's or more brain cells every time one drinks.

The propaganda that cannabinoids actually increase Parkinsons tremors...is just that, bullshit. It decreases them even almost eliminating them and in fact also has eliminated Epileptic seizers in many 1000's of patients.

A dab of cannabinoids in fact that they can take a Parkinsons patient with almost no ability to function back to almost normal in minutes, is breathtaking.



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You can be a murderous tyrant and the world will remember you fondly but fuck one horse and you will be a horse fucker for all eternity. Catherine the Great

Under capitalism, man exploits man. Under communism, it's just the opposite.
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RE: Why is marijuana [hemp] illegal ? - 1/1/2018 1:27:29 PM   
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It is not which is worse as a drug... it is why do you need either? Why do you need another way to lose control of your reactions and senses? Do we really need another way to kill simply for your pleasure?

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RE: Why is marijuana [hemp] illegal ? - 1/1/2018 2:09:24 PM   
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ORIGINAL: kdsub
How many ways do you need to numb your brain? What is wrong with you people? Are you afraid of reality...is your life so terrible that you must continually find ways to escape it? Grow up and become responsible.
Butch


You're completely ignoring the medicinal benefits of marijuana. Who the fuck are you to gripe about what another puts into his or her body, anyway? If someone wants to numb their mind occasionally, what's wrong with that? Are you going to claim that jumping on these boards isn't actually a way to escape reality? You think for a moment that what we talk about, discuss, argue about means fuck all?!? Go look at all the fucking reality TV shows that, as funny as it might be, help people escape reality. All of Hollywood is a means to escape reality. That's why entertainment in the US is big biz.

But, hey, someone wants to legally be able to smoke pot and get a high, and that's a horrible thing? Or, better yet, someone wants to legally smoke pot so they can handle their chronic pain levels, but that high is horrible. WTF, man? W. T. F.?!?


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RE: Why is marijuana [hemp] illegal ? - 1/1/2018 2:21:14 PM   
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I’ll tell you asshole who I am... I’m the father of a brain dead daughter so fuck you. Pot is a gateway drug as is any drug including alcohol... what we have now is bad enough we don’t need another path to abuse... simply for your pleasure. I am talking about the so called recreational use of pot not the medical benefits.

Butch

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RE: Why is marijuana [hemp] illegal ? - 1/1/2018 2:31:43 PM   
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It is not which is worse as a drug... it is why do you need either? Why do you need another way to lose control of your reactions and senses? Do we really need another way to kill simply for your pleasure?

First of all, I never 'lost control' of my reactions and senses and in fact...both were often enhanced.

Further more, just how is using cannabis 'another way to kill ?' Don't get that one at all.

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RE: Why is marijuana [hemp] illegal ? - 1/1/2018 2:39:07 PM   
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I’ll tell you asshole who I am... I’m the father of a brain dead daughter so fuck you. Pot is a gateway drug as is any drug including alcohol... what we have now is bad enough we don’t need another path to abuse... simply for your pleasure. I am talking about the so called recreational use of pot not the medical benefits.

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It's only a gateway drug because it has to be bought illegally from people who also sell far nastier stuff. That wouldn't happen if marijuana was legalised.

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RE: Why is marijuana [hemp] illegal ? - 1/1/2018 2:47:00 PM   
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I’ll tell you asshole who I am... I’m the father of a brain dead daughter so fuck you. Pot is a gateway drug as is any drug including alcohol... what we have now is bad enough we don’t need another path to abuse... simply for your pleasure. I am talking about the so called recreational use of pot not the medical benefits.

Butch

Pot is no more a gateway drug than nicotine. As long as the law creates a black market, then the dealer is the gateway.

Put pot on the retail shelf, then it's less than a class III drug like codeine. OTC. No gateway.

On the basis of your arguments here, the govt. should class all opioids (class II) now addicting the nation as class I. In fact, they are much worse long term due to their powrful addictive nature.

Seems the early propaganda has worked on you. The corporate world wanted to ban hemp. They couldn't on industrial grounds.

So that because hemp blossoms into a leaf, and smoked caused a high, that corporate world went after it tooth and nail and lied to govt. about it and thus...hemp was banned.

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RE: Why is marijuana [hemp] illegal ? - 1/1/2018 2:49:09 PM   
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As many as 11 million young adults are using pot.... there are many short term effects that affect coordination and thinking. But the long term effects are reduced mental functioning. And if you don’t know what a gateway drug is look it up. I don’t care about your brain but I do care about the children of this country.

Oh I know I am in the minority and soon pot will be legalized but being legal does not make something right... no one gives a crap until tragedy strikes their family.

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RE: Why is marijuana [hemp] illegal ? - 1/1/2018 2:57:26 PM   
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As many as 11 million young adults are using pot.... there are many short term effects that affect coordination and thinking. But the long term effects are reduced mental functioning. And if you don’t know what a gateway drug is look it up. I don’t care about your brain but I do care about the children of this country.

Oh I know I am in the minority and soon pot will be legalized but being legal does not make something right... no one gives a crap until tragedy strikes their family.

Butch

I know exactly what is meant by a gateway drug and the 'gateway' is the very criminalizing of its sale and possession putting its sale in the hands of a dealer much more interested in getting you addicted on hard drugs...not pot. Take the drug away from the dealer and you have the same as 1000's of drugs OTC.

I will also stipulate that there is no proven record that anyone has gone brain dead from using pot alone.

Almost all conservatives ask that we keep govt. out of our lives...why not here ? And not derail my own OP, how are we not committing fiscal child abuse with adding even more trillion$ to our $20 trillion in debt ?

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RE: Why is marijuana [hemp] illegal ? - 1/1/2018 2:59:20 PM   
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It seems to me that you are proof enough... at least when it comes to pot.

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RE: Why is marijuana [hemp] illegal ? - 1/1/2018 3:25:37 PM   
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First, please edit your post because:
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Pot is NOT harmful to the human body or mind. Marijuana does NOT pose a threat to the general public. Marijuana is very much a danger to the oil companies, alcohol, tobacco industries and a large number of chemical corporations. Various big businesses, with plenty of dollars and influence, have suppressed the truth from the people.

The truth is if marijuana was utilized for its vast array of commercial products, it would create an industrial atomic bomb! Entrepreneurs have not been educated on the product potential of pot. The super rich have conspired to spread misinformation about an extremely versatile plant that, if used properly, would ruin their companies.

Where did the word 'marijuana' come from? In the mid 1930s, the M-word was created to tarnish the good image and phenomenal history of the hemp plant...as you will read. The facts cited here, with references, are generally verifiable in the Encyclopedia Britannica which was printed on hemp paper for 150 years:

Pot is NOT harmful to the human body or mind. Marijuana does NOT pose a threat to the general public. Marijuana is very much a danger to the oil companies, alcohol, tobacco industries and a large number of chemical corporations. Various big businesses, with plenty of dollars and influence, have suppressed the truth from the people.

The truth is if marijuana was utilized for its vast array of commercial products, it would create an industrial atomic bomb! Entrepreneurs have not been educated on the product potential of pot. The super rich have conspired to spread misinformation about an extremely versatile plant that, if used properly, would ruin their companies.

Where did the word 'marijuana' come from? In the mid 1930s, the M-word was created to tarnish the good image and phenomenal history of the hemp plant...as you will read. The facts cited here, with references, are generally verifiable in the Encyclopedia Britannica which was printed on hemp paper for 150 years:

is a repeated post and is a little annoying.

Also at the end you make the statement; WORLD HUNGER COULD END and as far as I know it isn't a food source and I didn't see, in your post, how ending world hunger was going to happen.

Other than that thanx for an interesting post.

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RE: Why is marijuana [hemp] illegal ? - 1/1/2018 3:52:35 PM   
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How many ways do you need to numb your brain? What is wrong with you people? Are you afraid of reality...is your life so terrible that you must continually find ways to escape it? Grow up and become responsible.
Butch
I think you may be missing the major thrust of the OP, very little of the OP is talking about how to "numb your brain" and is mostly talking about the industrial uses of Hemp.

As DesideriScuri points out; hemp and marijuana are not exactly the same, though they are both parts of the same Species of plant. Hemp, traditionally, has a significantly lower level of THC and a higher level of cannabidiol (CBD) that actually inhibits the psychoactive effects.

It was interesting to note that Hemp, you know the "Marijuana" that does not "numb your brain", has the possibility of 1 acre of hemp replacing 4.1 acres of trees being cut down and that 1 acre of hemp can be grown again every year and it takes years for trees to regrow so they can be cut down again.

I don't know about you but I'd be happy if less trees were being cut down.

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RE: Why is marijuana [hemp] illegal ? - 1/1/2018 3:57:50 PM   
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I’ll tell you asshole who I am... I’m the father of a brain dead daughter so fuck you. Pot is a gateway drug as is any drug including alcohol... what we have now is bad enough we don’t need another path to abuse... simply for your pleasure. I am talking about the so called recreational use of pot not the medical benefits.

Butch
Sorry to hear about your daughter's condition but are you really saying that marijuana was the cause of her condition?

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RE: Why is marijuana [hemp] illegal ? - 1/1/2018 9:11:39 PM   
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It seems to me that you are proof enough... at least when it comes to pot.

Proof enough of what ?

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RE: Why is marijuana [hemp] illegal ? - 1/1/2018 9:16:42 PM   
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First, please edit your post because:
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Pot is NOT harmful to the human body or mind. Marijuana does NOT pose a threat to the general public. Marijuana is very much a danger to the oil companies, alcohol, tobacco industries and a large number of chemical corporations. Various big businesses, with plenty of dollars and influence, have suppressed the truth from the people.

The truth is if marijuana was utilized for its vast array of commercial products, it would create an industrial atomic bomb! Entrepreneurs have not been educated on the product potential of pot. The super rich have conspired to spread misinformation about an extremely versatile plant that, if used properly, would ruin their companies.

Where did the word 'marijuana' come from? In the mid 1930s, the M-word was created to tarnish the good image and phenomenal history of the hemp plant...as you will read. The facts cited here, with references, are generally verifiable in the Encyclopedia Britannica which was printed on hemp paper for 150 years:

Pot is NOT harmful to the human body or mind. Marijuana does NOT pose a threat to the general public. Marijuana is very much a danger to the oil companies, alcohol, tobacco industries and a large number of chemical corporations. Various big businesses, with plenty of dollars and influence, have suppressed the truth from the people.

The truth is if marijuana was utilized for its vast array of commercial products, it would create an industrial atomic bomb! Entrepreneurs have not been educated on the product potential of pot. The super rich have conspired to spread misinformation about an extremely versatile plant that, if used properly, would ruin their companies.

Where did the word 'marijuana' come from? In the mid 1930s, the M-word was created to tarnish the good image and phenomenal history of the hemp plant...as you will read. The facts cited here, with references, are generally verifiable in the Encyclopedia Britannica which was printed on hemp paper for 150 years:

is a repeated post and is a little annoying.

Also at the end you make the statement; WORLD HUNGER COULD END and as far as I know it isn't a food source and I didn't see, in your post, how ending world hunger was going to happen.

Other than that thanx for an interesting post.


I hadn't noticed the double.

But I looked too and there was no further link. However, I do believe that fully legalized hemp for all purposes, would mean world-wide industrialization. It being a much more robust crop and one that will eliminate the need for others, hemp could provide for greater agric. stability and save energy as well as fresh water.

I am guessing. But it is also a dietary supplement with seeds and oils etc.

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RE: Why is marijuana [hemp] illegal ? - 1/1/2018 9:30:08 PM   
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How many ways do you need to numb your brain? What is wrong with you people? Are you afraid of reality...is your life so terrible that you must continually find ways to escape it? Grow up and become responsible.
Butch
I think you may be missing the major thrust of the OP, very little of the OP is talking about how to "numb your brain" and is mostly talking about the industrial uses of Hemp.

As DesideriScuri points out; hemp and marijuana are not exactly the same, though they are both parts of the same Species of plant. Hemp, traditionally, has a significantly lower level of THC and a higher level of cannabidiol (CBD) that actually inhibits the psychoactive effects.

It was interesting to note that Hemp, you know the "Marijuana" that does not "numb your brain", has the possibility of 1 acre of hemp replacing 4.1 acres of trees being cut down and that 1 acre of hemp can be grown again every year and it takes years for trees to regrow so they can be cut down again.

I don't know about you but I'd be happy if less trees were being cut down.

Hemp is the root, trunk and branch. Stems grow from that branch and then flowers blossom on those stems. Virtually all but the flowers can be used as hemp, for oil and industry etc. The seeds too.

Technically, the flowers are also hemp but in the 1930's, yellow media and industry gave us 'marijuana.' Killer Weed etc.

The link did refer to Mexico being the origin of the word but must have left it off somehow.

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RE: Why is marijuana [hemp] illegal ? - 1/1/2018 9:33:43 PM   
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There are usually three main ways children become addicts. The first two are youth curiosity and peer pressure. The third is a desire to escape their reality. In all cases the first drugs most often used are alcohol and marijuana. For most this is just part of growing up and has no long term consequences. But for a significant minority this experimentation leads to abuse and addiction that will destroy their lives.

Yes my daughter started out on marijuana but with her addictive personality she quickly moved to more powerful drugs as she built immunity and needed more and more and more powerful drugs until that is all that mattered to her. Overdose after overdose...
She drained the families funds in one unsuccessful treatment after another... until she finally left telling us she would rather die then stop.

I am not saying marijuana is worse than alcohol in fact of all the mind altering drugs it is the least harmful. What I am saying is we already have enough drugs and the problems that come with them. I think adding another will only increase the suffering directly by some users but also in the injuring and killing of innocents due to overdose or abuse.

I must tell you I am really no better than those I have been raving against. Before my daughters addiction I too was for the legalization of marijuana. I did not understand the personal consequences until it was too late.

I know I may as well be talking to my dog as most here... I just pray that through their ignorance they do not suffer the pain myself and my family have gone through... Despite what you may think It can happen to you or someone you love.

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