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RE: Presidential Leadership - 1/15/2018 6:12:24 PM   
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presidential leadership over puerto rico
100 days, half the island is without power. And wont be fixed until at least may...
where is and was "that presidential" leadership.

It's dealing with the water crisis in Flint, MI.
Oh wait, he's not doing that either. Too many black people there for Cheeto Hitler to care about I guess.


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flint_water_crisis
    quote:

    After a pair of scientific studies proved lead contamination was present in the water supply, a federal state of emergency was declared in January 2016 and Flint residents were instructed to use only bottled or filtered water for drinking, cooking, cleaning, and bathing. As of early 2017, the water quality had returned to acceptable levels; however, residents were instructed to continue to use bottled or filtered water until all the lead pipes have been replaced, which is expected to be completed no sooner than 2020.


Federal state of emergency declared about a year before Trump was inaugurated (and, about 6 months before he was nominated as the GOP candidate), and water quality had been returned to acceptable levels at some point early in his Presidency. What's he supposed to be leading on there?


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RE: Presidential Leadership - 1/15/2018 6:29:15 PM   
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Well, he's obviously spent a lot of time in Flint during his childhood, drinking the water.


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RE: Presidential Leadership - 1/15/2018 6:29:56 PM   
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For 38 minutes, the entire state of Hawaii was planning to die in the next few minutes.
Our President continued to play golf, and to my knowledge has never addressed the state of Hawaii directly, other than to say, it was an error in Hawaii.
If Obama were President, he would have been immediately on national TV and radio, assuring the people of Hawaii, and the US as a whole are safe.
The difference between leadership, and what we have with our current President.


When was Trump told, and what was he told?

http://www.cnn.com/2018/01/15/politics/trump-hawaii-missile-alarm-timeline/index.html
    quote:

    12:35 p.m. ET -- CNN cameras spot Trump between the 14th and 15th holes.
    1:07 p.m. ET -- Warnings of an incoming ballistic missile begin flashing on cellphones in Hawaii, leading to panic among some residents and visitors. The alert was triggered after an error at the emergency management administration.
    1:10 p.m. ET -- Hawaii State Adjutant Maj. Gen. Joe Logan confirms with US Pacific Command there is no missile headed for Hawaii, and the Honolulu Police Department is notified it was a false alarm.
    About 1:10 p.m. ET -- Trump has lunch inside the clubhouse of Trump International Golf Club. Members inside the building spot him.
    Time unknown -- Deputy National Security Adviser Ricky Waddell, who was the top national security official traveling with Trump in Florida, briefs Trump in person on the false alarm alerts.


So, we have an issue where, at an unknown time (CNN places it between 1:10 and 1:13), the President was informed of the alerts. He may have been told they were confirmed false by USPaC. He may not have been told that alerts hadn't been sent out by Hawaii's EMA that it was a false alarm.

Why didn't Hawaii's EMA send out a false alarm alert for 38 minutes when it was confirmed as false 3 minutes after the alarm was sent?

Y'all are quick to blame Trump. You don't know what he was told about it. He could have been told that it was a "state exercise" and not a big deal. Maybe he should have alerts from all 50 states and however many US territories coming to his phone, too, right?

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RE: Presidential Leadership - 1/15/2018 6:33:31 PM   
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Well, he's obviously spent a lot of time in Flint during his childhood, drinking the water.


Right. So, Trump's childhood was in 2014, then?

I know you were trying to make a joke. I'm just not so sure that's really quality joke material there.

I'm sure stef will be by later to chastise you on making fun at the expense of "brown" people's suffering.


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RE: Presidential Leadership - 1/15/2018 6:40:08 PM   
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ORIGINAL: DesideriScuri

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ORIGINAL: MasterJaguar01
For 38 minutes, the entire state of Hawaii was planning to die in the next few minutes.
Our President continued to play golf, and to my knowledge has never addressed the state of Hawaii directly, other than to say, it was an error in Hawaii.
If Obama were President, he would have been immediately on national TV and radio, assuring the people of Hawaii, and the US as a whole are safe.
The difference between leadership, and what we have with our current President.


When was Trump told, and what was he told?

http://www.cnn.com/2018/01/15/politics/trump-hawaii-missile-alarm-timeline/index.html
    quote:

    12:35 p.m. ET -- CNN cameras spot Trump between the 14th and 15th holes.
    1:07 p.m. ET -- Warnings of an incoming ballistic missile begin flashing on cellphones in Hawaii, leading to panic among some residents and visitors. The alert was triggered after an error at the emergency management administration.
    1:10 p.m. ET -- Hawaii State Adjutant Maj. Gen. Joe Logan confirms with US Pacific Command there is no missile headed for Hawaii, and the Honolulu Police Department is notified it was a false alarm.
    About 1:10 p.m. ET -- Trump has lunch inside the clubhouse of Trump International Golf Club. Members inside the building spot him.
    Time unknown -- Deputy National Security Adviser Ricky Waddell, who was the top national security official traveling with Trump in Florida, briefs Trump in person on the false alarm alerts.


So, we have an issue where, at an unknown time (CNN places it between 1:10 and 1:13), the President was informed of the alerts. He may have been told they were confirmed false by USPaC. He may not have been told that alerts hadn't been sent out by Hawaii's EMA that it was a false alarm.


I am assuming he was told at 1:10 PM. If he wasn't then we have a bigger problem.

quote:


Why didn't Hawaii's EMA send out a false alarm alert for 38 minutes when it was confirmed as false 3 minutes after the alarm was sent?

No idea. And not relevant to the OP.

quote:


Y'all are quick to blame Trump. You don't know what he was told about it. He could have been told that it was a "state exercise" and not a big deal. Maybe he should have alerts from all 50 states and however many US territories coming to his phone, too, right?


He should MOST definitely be immediately notified of ANY alerts of incoming missiles to ANY US territory.

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RE: Presidential Leadership - 1/15/2018 6:47:11 PM   
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RE: Presidential Leadership - 1/15/2018 6:51:27 PM   
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ORIGINAL: DesideriScuri

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ORIGINAL: stef
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ORIGINAL: Lucylastic
presidential leadership over puerto rico
100 days, half the island is without power. And wont be fixed until at least may...
where is and was "that presidential" leadership.

It's dealing with the water crisis in Flint, MI.
Oh wait, he's not doing that either. Too many black people there for Cheeto Hitler to care about I guess.


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flint_water_crisis
    quote:

    After a pair of scientific studies proved lead contamination was present in the water supply, a federal state of emergency was declared in January 2016 and Flint residents were instructed to use only bottled or filtered water for drinking, cooking, cleaning, and bathing. As of early 2017, the water quality had returned to acceptable levels; however, residents were instructed to continue to use bottled or filtered water until all the lead pipes have been replaced, which is expected to be completed no sooner than 2020.


Federal state of emergency declared about a year before Trump was inaugurated (and, about 6 months before he was nominated as the GOP candidate), and water quality had been returned to acceptable levels at some point early in his Presidency. What's he supposed to be leading on there?



So... By stef's "logic"... Obama poisoned the "poor stupid helpless" citizens of Flint, rather than Trump

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RE: Presidential Leadership - 1/15/2018 6:53:20 PM   
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He should MOST definitely be immediately notified of ANY alerts of incoming missiles to ANY US territory.



What was the president supposed to do? It was a state-level thing.

Why do leftists automatically assume that the president has to act as king or god over their lives

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RE: Presidential Leadership - 1/15/2018 6:56:45 PM   
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ORIGINAL: MasterJaguar01
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ORIGINAL: DesideriScuri
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ORIGINAL: MasterJaguar01
For 38 minutes, the entire state of Hawaii was planning to die in the next few minutes.
Our President continued to play golf, and to my knowledge has never addressed the state of Hawaii directly, other than to say, it was an error in Hawaii.
If Obama were President, he would have been immediately on national TV and radio, assuring the people of Hawaii, and the US as a whole are safe.
The difference between leadership, and what we have with our current President.

When was Trump told, and what was he told?
http://www.cnn.com/2018/01/15/politics/trump-hawaii-missile-alarm-timeline/index.html
    quote:

    12:35 p.m. ET -- CNN cameras spot Trump between the 14th and 15th holes.
    1:07 p.m. ET -- Warnings of an incoming ballistic missile begin flashing on cellphones in Hawaii, leading to panic among some residents and visitors. The alert was triggered after an error at the emergency management administration.
    1:10 p.m. ET -- Hawaii State Adjutant Maj. Gen. Joe Logan confirms with US Pacific Command there is no missile headed for Hawaii, and the Honolulu Police Department is notified it was a false alarm.
    About 1:10 p.m. ET -- Trump has lunch inside the clubhouse of Trump International Golf Club. Members inside the building spot him.
    Time unknown -- Deputy National Security Adviser Ricky Waddell, who was the top national security official traveling with Trump in Florida, briefs Trump in person on the false alarm alerts.

So, we have an issue where, at an unknown time (CNN places it between 1:10 and 1:13), the President was informed of the alerts. He may have been told they were confirmed false by USPaC. He may not have been told that alerts hadn't been sent out by Hawaii's EMA that it was a false alarm.

I am assuming he was told at 1:10 PM. If he wasn't then we have a bigger problem.


Right, and that's not Trump's fault, is it?

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quote:

Why didn't Hawaii's EMA send out a false alarm alert for 38 minutes when it was confirmed as false 3 minutes after the alarm was sent?

No idea. And not relevant to the OP.


Of course it is.

From the OP:
    quote:

    An alert goes out to an entire U.S. state that an ICBM will hit in minutes, and during the ENTIRE 38 minutes from the alert, to the announcement it was an error, the President of the United States continues to play golf.

    People are terrified, and get NO help, or reassurance from their President.

    [Italics Mine]


When you specifically point out how long it took in the OP, it makes it a relevant part of the fucking thread.

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quote:

Y'all are quick to blame Trump. You don't know what he was told about it. He could have been told that it was a "state exercise" and not a big deal. Maybe he should have alerts from all 50 states and however many US territories coming to his phone, too, right?

He should MOST definitely be immediately notified of ANY alerts of incoming missiles to ANY US territory.


We agree, but that wasn't the point of your thread, now, was it?

You have already blamed Trump for not assuaging the fears of Hawaiians over this. We don't know exactly when he was told, but CNN's reporting makes it look like he wasn't told until after USPaC confirmed it as false. If Trump was told it was a false alarm and has already been confirmed false, and/or it was just a "state exericse" of it's EMA system, what should Trump have done?

    Trump: "Hey, uh, we just wanted to let everyone know - even though it's already been broadcast, and it's just a state exericse - that there are no missiles currently heading towards Hawaii."


You're letting your partisanship blind you.

We don't yet know what Trump was told, nor when he was told. Doesn't matter, though, does it?






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RE: Presidential Leadership - 1/15/2018 7:47:03 PM   
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ORIGINAL: DesideriScuri

quote:

ORIGINAL: MasterJaguar01
quote:

ORIGINAL: DesideriScuri
quote:

ORIGINAL: MasterJaguar01
For 38 minutes, the entire state of Hawaii was planning to die in the next few minutes.
Our President continued to play golf, and to my knowledge has never addressed the state of Hawaii directly, other than to say, it was an error in Hawaii.
If Obama were President, he would have been immediately on national TV and radio, assuring the people of Hawaii, and the US as a whole are safe.
The difference between leadership, and what we have with our current President.

When was Trump told, and what was he told?
http://www.cnn.com/2018/01/15/politics/trump-hawaii-missile-alarm-timeline/index.html
    quote:

    12:35 p.m. ET -- CNN cameras spot Trump between the 14th and 15th holes.
    1:07 p.m. ET -- Warnings of an incoming ballistic missile begin flashing on cellphones in Hawaii, leading to panic among some residents and visitors. The alert was triggered after an error at the emergency management administration.
    1:10 p.m. ET -- Hawaii State Adjutant Maj. Gen. Joe Logan confirms with US Pacific Command there is no missile headed for Hawaii, and the Honolulu Police Department is notified it was a false alarm.
    About 1:10 p.m. ET -- Trump has lunch inside the clubhouse of Trump International Golf Club. Members inside the building spot him.
    Time unknown -- Deputy National Security Adviser Ricky Waddell, who was the top national security official traveling with Trump in Florida, briefs Trump in person on the false alarm alerts.

So, we have an issue where, at an unknown time (CNN places it between 1:10 and 1:13), the President was informed of the alerts. He may have been told they were confirmed false by USPaC. He may not have been told that alerts hadn't been sent out by Hawaii's EMA that it was a false alarm.

I am assuming he was told at 1:10 PM. If he wasn't then we have a bigger problem.


Right, and that's not Trump's fault, is it?

quote:

quote:

Why didn't Hawaii's EMA send out a false alarm alert for 38 minutes when it was confirmed as false 3 minutes after the alarm was sent?

No idea. And not relevant to the OP.


Of course it is.

From the OP:
    quote:

    An alert goes out to an entire U.S. state that an ICBM will hit in minutes, and during the ENTIRE 38 minutes from the alert, to the announcement it was an error, the President of the United States continues to play golf.

    People are terrified, and get NO help, or reassurance from their President.

    [Italics Mine]


When you specifically point out how long it took in the OP, it makes it a relevant part of the fucking thread.

quote:

quote:

Y'all are quick to blame Trump. You don't know what he was told about it. He could have been told that it was a "state exercise" and not a big deal. Maybe he should have alerts from all 50 states and however many US territories coming to his phone, too, right?

He should MOST definitely be immediately notified of ANY alerts of incoming missiles to ANY US territory.


We agree, but that wasn't the point of your thread, now, was it?

You have already blamed Trump for not assuaging the fears of Hawaiians over this. We don't know exactly when he was told, but CNN's reporting makes it look like he wasn't told until after USPaC confirmed it as false. If Trump was told it was a false alarm and has already been confirmed false, and/or it was just a "state exericse" of it's EMA system, what should Trump have done?

    Trump: "Hey, uh, we just wanted to let everyone know - even though it's already been broadcast, and it's just a state exericse - that there are no missiles currently heading towards Hawaii."


You're letting your partisanship blind you.

We don't yet know what Trump was told, nor when he was told. Doesn't matter, though, does it?







He should have gone on national TV and radio and assured Hawaii and the whole nation that we are safe and done so within the 38 minutes. And, if there was even a possibility that he was not notified in a timely manner, he should have immediately done so afterward (which he has not done). That's what a leader would do.

I have been a leader for the last 20 years of my career, and have dealt with similar situations (albeit nuclear missile alerts) and that is exactly what I have done. It is, I sincerely believe Obama would have done. It is most certainly what any competent leader of ANY nation on this planet would have done. I could care less what party anyone is from. There is leadership, and there is the current administration. The two could not be farther apart.

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RE: Presidential Leadership - 1/15/2018 8:05:06 PM   
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He has never played by the rules, everything "presidential" is dead in this administration.
his base love it, because they feel he is the only one who can do it.
They are right
But what are their expectations of what comes after the RNC implodes?
Im guessing that until it affects them, they love every nasty turn.

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RE: Presidential Leadership - 1/15/2018 8:11:22 PM   
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He should have gone on national TV and radio and assured Hawaii and the whole nation that we are safe and done so within the 38 minutes. And, if there was even a possibility that he was not notified in a timely manner, he should have immediately done so afterward (which he has not done). That's what a leader would do.
I have been a leader for the last 20 years of my career, and have dealt with similar situations (albeit nuclear missile alerts) and that is exactly what I have done. It is, I sincerely believe Obama would have done. It is most certainly what any competent leader of ANY nation on this planet would have done. I could care less what party anyone is from. There is leadership, and there is the current administration. The two could not be farther apart.


With as disingenuous as you argue, I feel sorry for your followers.


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RE: Presidential Leadership - 1/15/2018 8:17:35 PM   
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He has never played by the rules, everything "presidential" is dead in this administration.
his base love it, because they feel he is the only one who can do it.


Trump plays by the rules, just not the rules of politics. And, I do think that's his biggest failing. He's still trying to force a political environment to function like a business environment, and I don't think he'll succeed at it.

But, I do think his lack of playing politics is what got him elected, so, what's to be expected?

quote:

They are right
But what are their expectations of what comes after the RNC implodes?
Im guessing that until it affects them, they love every nasty turn.


Are we sure the RNC is going to implode?

I'm truly hoping the RNC gets back to it's traditional party platform. If you recall, I maintained that Trump should have been disqualified and not nominated by the GOP because he doesn't follow the traditional GOP platform. Both parties need a "come to Jesus" moment to right themselves, imo.

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RE: Presidential Leadership - 1/15/2018 8:20:26 PM   
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ORIGINAL: DesideriScuri

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ORIGINAL: MasterJaguar01
He should have gone on national TV and radio and assured Hawaii and the whole nation that we are safe and done so within the 38 minutes. And, if there was even a possibility that he was not notified in a timely manner, he should have immediately done so afterward (which he has not done). That's what a leader would do.
I have been a leader for the last 20 years of my career, and have dealt with similar situations (albeit nuclear missile alerts) and that is exactly what I have done. It is, I sincerely believe Obama would have done. It is most certainly what any competent leader of ANY nation on this planet would have done. I could care less what party anyone is from. There is leadership, and there is the current administration. The two could not be farther apart.


With as disingenuous as you argue, I feel sorry for your followers.



I can sincerely assure you that I am not being disingenuous in any way.

I am sorry you feel that way. I have always enjoyed debating with you, and have credited you with many ingenious ideas.

I am not sure that I have any followers. However, your comment above is disappointing, nonetheless.

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RE: Presidential Leadership - 1/15/2018 8:29:42 PM   
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ORIGINAL: DesideriScuri

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ORIGINAL: Lucylastic
He has never played by the rules, everything "presidential" is dead in this administration.
his base love it, because they feel he is the only one who can do it.


Trump plays by the rules, just not the rules of politics. And, I do think that's his biggest failing. He's still trying to force a political environment to function like a business environment, and I don't think he'll succeed at it.

But, I do think his lack of playing politics is what got him elected, so, what's to be expected?

quote:

They are right
But what are their expectations of what comes after the RNC implodes?
Im guessing that until it affects them, they love every nasty turn.


Are we sure the RNC is going to implode?

I'm truly hoping the RNC gets back to it's traditional party platform. If you recall, I maintained that Trump should have been disqualified and not nominated by the GOP because he doesn't follow the traditional GOP platform. Both parties need a "come to Jesus" moment to right themselves, imo.

I dont count you as his base..
you are far too reasonable to be one.


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RE: Presidential Leadership - 1/15/2018 8:30:00 PM   
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' And that's what a leader should do ' ? You can't be serious. But you probably are. Obama used to get involved in local affairs, remember. " If I had a son, he would look like Travon "..

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RE: Presidential Leadership - 1/15/2018 9:32:38 PM   
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ORIGINAL: MasterJaguar01

He should MOST definitely be immediately notified of ANY alerts of incoming missiles to ANY US territory.



What was the president supposed to do? It was a state-level thing.

Why do leftists automatically assume that the president has to act as king or god over their lives


An alert that part of the U.S. is about to be destroyed by an incoming ICBM is not a "state-level" thing. Sorry.

I love this country. If ANY part of it were under attack, or if I knew of an ALERT that any part of it were under attack, I would be concerned.

I expect our President to feel the same way. I realize I need to constantly lower my expectations for this administration.

As for what leftists do, I don't know or care.

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RE: Presidential Leadership - 1/15/2018 9:35:41 PM   
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ORIGINAL: DesideriScuri

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ORIGINAL: Lucylastic
He has never played by the rules, everything "presidential" is dead in this administration.
his base love it, because they feel he is the only one who can do it.


Trump plays by the rules, just not the rules of politics. And, I do think that's his biggest failing. He's still trying to force a political environment to function like a business environment, and I don't think he'll succeed at it.

But, I do think his lack of playing politics is what got him elected, so, what's to be expected?

quote:

They are right
But what are their expectations of what comes after the RNC implodes?
Im guessing that until it affects them, they love every nasty turn.


Are we sure the RNC is going to implode?

I'm truly hoping the RNC gets back to it's traditional party platform. If you recall, I maintained that Trump should have been disqualified and not nominated by the GOP because he doesn't follow the traditional GOP platform. Both parties need a "come to Jesus" moment to right themselves, imo.



Personally, I hate the two-party system, because it produces extremely flawed candidates, chosen by very corrupt processes.

I would love to see a Ron Paul-like candidate lead the Republican party. (Would get my vote)

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RE: Presidential Leadership - 1/16/2018 4:57:44 AM   
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Well, he's obviously spent a lot of time in Flint during his childhood, drinking the water.


Right. So, Trump's childhood was in 2014, then?

His childhood seems to be an ongoing undertaking, even at his advanced age. His tantrum about how he did too have a bigger crowd at his inauguration than Obama didn't strike anybody as very grown up, did it?

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RE: Presidential Leadership - 1/16/2018 5:22:20 AM   
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ORIGINAL: MasterJaguar01

An alert that part of the U.S. is about to be destroyed by an incoming ICBM is not a "state-level" thing. Sorry.

I love this country. If ANY part of it were under attack, or if I knew of an ALERT that any part of it were under attack, I would be concerned.

I expect our President to feel the same way. I realize I need to constantly lower my expectations for this administration.

As for what leftists do, I don't know or care.


It wasn't a federal false alarm, it was a state false alarm. You act like there was a missile

There wasn't

Nothing to do with the president or the federal government, it was solely a state issue.


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