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RE: Presidential Leadership - 1/16/2018 5:35:52 AM   
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yep state issue....
BUT
If the oooze hadnt been dick waving and chest thumping with kju, there wouldnt have been the panic that there has been.

Interesting article from Politico about how it affects the whitehouse and other govmt agencies,
https://www.politico.com/story/2018/01/13/hawaii-missile-warning-white-house-339520
A false warning of a missile threat in Hawaii sent White House aides scrambling Saturday, frantically phoning agencies to determine a response and triggering worries about their preparedness almost a year into the Trump administration.

President Donald Trump's Cabinet has yet to test formal plans for how to respond to a domestic missile attack, according to a senior administration official. John Kelly, while serving as secretary of Homeland Security through last July, planned to conduct the exercise. But he left his post to become White House chief of staff before it was conducted, and acting Secretary Elaine Duke never carried it out.

The administration ran the exercise on Dec. 19 at the deputies level, at the behest of Kelly and newly sworn-in Homeland Security chief Kirstjen Nielsen. But as of Saturday, when Hawaii residents were taking cover, the federal government had yet to play out the same scenario with Cabinet secretaries at what is known as the principals level.

"The U.S. government hasn't tested these plans in 30 years,” said the senior administration official involved in the White House response. “All the fresh faces sitting around the table in the situation room have little idea what their roles would be in this scenario. The bottom line is that without a principals level exercise, we shouldn’t have any confidence that the Cabinet would know what to do in an attack scenario."

more at link

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RE: Presidential Leadership - 1/16/2018 5:46:54 AM   
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It appears that the sheen might be wearing off the Trump's leadership and brand in more ways than one:
"With so many buildings publicly cutting ties with the president, or seeking to, are we witnessing the beginning of the end of Trump’s real estate empire? One industry expert, who also wished to remain anonymous, says they doubt the Trump name has long-term viability on either residential buildings or hotels. “My instinct says [Trump] is going to end up in a bad situation and developers are going to want to distance themselves. The damage to the name is already profound and will only get worse.”

There are ample signs that the longer Trump remains in DC, the less welcome his name will be in cities around the world. While the president may be “a very stable genius”, his real estate empire is beginning to look more than a little shaky.

https://www.theguardian.com/cities/2018/jan/16/beginning-end-trump-real-estate-empire

Who knows? Perhaps bankruptcy # 5 (is it 4, 5 or 6? It's hard to keep count.) isn't too far away ....

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RE: Presidential Leadership - 1/16/2018 5:53:29 AM   
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"dick waving"

"liberal" speak for doesn't stoop, bow, and grovel - like Obama.

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RE: Presidential Leadership - 1/16/2018 5:58:23 AM   
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you mean the guilding is flaking off the turd?
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RE: Presidential Leadership - 1/16/2018 5:58:54 AM   
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ORIGINAL: tweakabelle

It appears that the sheen might be wearing off the Trump's leadership and brand in more ways than one:
"With so many buildings publicly cutting ties with the president, or seeking to, are we witnessing the beginning of the end of Trump’s real estate empire? One industry expert, who also wished to remain anonymous, says they doubt the Trump name has long-term viability on either residential buildings or hotels. “My instinct says [Trump] is going to end up in a bad situation and developers are going to want to distance themselves. The damage to the name is already profound and will only get worse.”

There are ample signs that the longer Trump remains in DC, the less welcome his name will be in cities around the world. While the president may be “a very stable genius”, his real estate empire is beginning to look more than a little shaky.

https://www.theguardian.com/cities/2018/jan/16/beginning-end-trump-real-estate-empire

Who knows? Perhaps bankruptcy # 5 (is it 4, 5 or 6? It's hard to keep count.) isn't too far away ....


Yeah yeah yeah, the anti-Trump propaganda is nonstop. Hillary is inevitable, up double digits in every swing state

Heard it all before

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RE: Presidential Leadership - 1/16/2018 6:00:14 AM   
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you mean the guilding is flaking off the turd?
smirkles

uhmmm .... that too!

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RE: Presidential Leadership - 1/16/2018 6:01:11 AM   
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From another thread - also appropriate in this thread:

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Just a note... From my own state:

https://www.drugrehab.com/2017/05/03/methamphetamine-crisis-in-washington-state/

It references Spokane area in the R part of the state


From your link - thanks to Obama and his no-borders-against-shithole-countries program:

quote:

In 2006, Congress passed the Combat Methamphetamine Epidemic Act (CMEA), which made large-scale domestic meth production nearly impossible...

As a result of the crackdown, commercial-scale meth production was taken over by drug cartels, which manufacture the drug, then covertly shipped across the U.S.-Mexico border. Several cartels, including the Sinaloa cartel, the Knights Templar cartel and the Beltran-Leyva Organization, compete for shares of Washington’s drug market and ship large quantities of meth to the state. So, despite the production crackdown, the meth supply is still growing. The DEA seized 250 pounds of meth in Washington in 2010, and 600 pounds in 2014.


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RE: Presidential Leadership - 1/16/2018 6:02:08 AM   
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"dick waving"

"liberal" speak for doesn't stoop, bow, and grovel - like Obama.

put your dick away, its drawing flies.

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RE: Presidential Leadership - 1/16/2018 6:20:50 AM   
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"dick waving"

"liberal" speak for doesn't stoop, bow, and grovel - like Obama.

put your dick away, its drawing flies.


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RE: Presidential Leadership - 1/16/2018 6:24:31 AM   
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ORIGINAL: BoscoX


quote:

ORIGINAL: tweakabelle

It appears that the sheen might be wearing off the Trump's leadership and brand in more ways than one:
"With so many buildings publicly cutting ties with the president, or seeking to, are we witnessing the beginning of the end of Trump’s real estate empire? One industry expert, who also wished to remain anonymous, says they doubt the Trump name has long-term viability on either residential buildings or hotels. “My instinct says [Trump] is going to end up in a bad situation and developers are going to want to distance themselves. The damage to the name is already profound and will only get worse.”

There are ample signs that the longer Trump remains in DC, the less welcome his name will be in cities around the world. While the president may be “a very stable genius”, his real estate empire is beginning to look more than a little shaky.

https://www.theguardian.com/cities/2018/jan/16/beginning-end-trump-real-estate-empire

Who knows? Perhaps bankruptcy # 5 (is it 4, 5 or 6? It's hard to keep count.) isn't too far away ....


Yeah yeah yeah, the anti-Trump propaganda is nonstop. Hillary is inevitable, up double digits in every swing state

Heard it all before

Yes we have heard it all before.

How many bankruptcies has Trump managed to clock up to date? Is it 4, 5, 6, or more? So we have heard it all before several times ....

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RE: Presidential Leadership - 1/16/2018 6:29:46 AM   
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ORIGINAL: tweakabelle


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ORIGINAL: BoscoX


quote:

ORIGINAL: tweakabelle

It appears that the sheen might be wearing off the Trump's leadership and brand in more ways than one:
"With so many buildings publicly cutting ties with the president, or seeking to, are we witnessing the beginning of the end of Trump’s real estate empire? One industry expert, who also wished to remain anonymous, says they doubt the Trump name has long-term viability on either residential buildings or hotels. “My instinct says [Trump] is going to end up in a bad situation and developers are going to want to distance themselves. The damage to the name is already profound and will only get worse.”

There are ample signs that the longer Trump remains in DC, the less welcome his name will be in cities around the world. While the president may be “a very stable genius”, his real estate empire is beginning to look more than a little shaky.

https://www.theguardian.com/cities/2018/jan/16/beginning-end-trump-real-estate-empire

Who knows? Perhaps bankruptcy # 5 (is it 4, 5 or 6? It's hard to keep count.) isn't too far away ....


Yeah yeah yeah, the anti-Trump propaganda is nonstop. Hillary is inevitable, up double digits in every swing state

Heard it all before

Yes we have heard it all before.

How many bankruptcies has Trump managed to clock up to date? Is it 4, 5, 6, or more? So we have heard it all before several times ....


Rather than just repeat mindless propaganda, list the bankruptcies and include the details.

There are different types of bankruptcies, and certain ones are often used as business tools, and mean nothing except that a person is a shrewd businessman

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RE: Presidential Leadership - 1/16/2018 8:32:43 AM   
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He should have gone on national TV and radio and assured Hawaii and the whole nation that we are safe and done so within the 38 minutes. And, if there was even a possibility that he was not notified in a timely manner, he should have immediately done so afterward (which he has not done). That's what a leader would do.
I have been a leader for the last 20 years of my career, and have dealt with similar situations (albeit nuclear missile alerts) and that is exactly what I have done. It is, I sincerely believe Obama would have done. It is most certainly what any competent leader of ANY nation on this planet would have done. I could care less what party anyone is from. There is leadership, and there is the current administration. The two could not be farther apart.

With as disingenuous as you argue, I feel sorry for your followers.

I can sincerely assure you that I am not being disingenuous in any way.
I am sorry you feel that way. I have always enjoyed debating with you, and have credited you with many ingenious ideas.
I am not sure that I have any followers. However, your comment above is disappointing, nonetheless.


You're not sure you have any followers? How were you a leader, then?


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RE: Presidential Leadership - 1/16/2018 8:35:09 AM   
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He has never played by the rules, everything "presidential" is dead in this administration.
his base love it, because they feel he is the only one who can do it.

Trump plays by the rules, just not the rules of politics. And, I do think that's his biggest failing. He's still trying to force a political environment to function like a business environment, and I don't think he'll succeed at it.
But, I do think his lack of playing politics is what got him elected, so, what's to be expected?
quote:

They are right
But what are their expectations of what comes after the RNC implodes?
Im guessing that until it affects them, they love every nasty turn.

Are we sure the RNC is going to implode?
I'm truly hoping the RNC gets back to it's traditional party platform. If you recall, I maintained that Trump should have been disqualified and not nominated by the GOP because he doesn't follow the traditional GOP platform. Both parties need a "come to Jesus" moment to right themselves, imo.

I dont count you as his base..
you are far too reasonable to be one.


I appreciate the compliment, Lucy. I hold you in high regard, even though you're mostly wrong on things.


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RE: Presidential Leadership - 1/16/2018 8:42:40 AM   
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He should MOST definitely be immediately notified of ANY alerts of incoming missiles to ANY US territory.

What was the president supposed to do? It was a state-level thing.
Why do leftists automatically assume that the president has to act as king or god over their lives

An alert that part of the U.S. is about to be destroyed by an incoming ICBM is not a "state-level" thing. Sorry.
I love this country. If ANY part of it were under attack, or if I knew of an ALERT that any part of it were under attack, I would be concerned.
I expect our President to feel the same way. I realize I need to constantly lower my expectations for this administration.
As for what leftists do, I don't know or care.


Again, according to CNN's timeline, it's implied he didn't find out until after it was already determined to be a false alarm. And, we still don't know exactly what he was told when he was told.

It was an error at the State level. It wasn't an error at a Federal level. An employee at the state fucked up. They got hold of a Federal agency (USPaC) that confirmed it was a false alarm 3 minutes after the alert went out. The state should have gotten back on the air waves/phone lines, immediately and let everyone know it was a false alarm. They didn't.




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RE: Presidential Leadership - 1/16/2018 10:01:32 AM   
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ORIGINAL: DesideriScuri

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ORIGINAL: Lucylastic
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ORIGINAL: DesideriScuri
quote:

ORIGINAL: Lucylastic
He has never played by the rules, everything "presidential" is dead in this administration.
his base love it, because they feel he is the only one who can do it.

Trump plays by the rules, just not the rules of politics. And, I do think that's his biggest failing. He's still trying to force a political environment to function like a business environment, and I don't think he'll succeed at it.
But, I do think his lack of playing politics is what got him elected, so, what's to be expected?
quote:

They are right
But what are their expectations of what comes after the RNC implodes?
Im guessing that until it affects them, they love every nasty turn.

Are we sure the RNC is going to implode?
I'm truly hoping the RNC gets back to it's traditional party platform. If you recall, I maintained that Trump should have been disqualified and not nominated by the GOP because he doesn't follow the traditional GOP platform. Both parties need a "come to Jesus" moment to right themselves, imo.

I dont count you as his base..
you are far too reasonable to be one.


I appreciate the compliment, Lucy. I hold you in high regard, even though you're mostly wrong on things.


heh right back atcha:)

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RE: Presidential Leadership - 1/16/2018 11:15:16 AM   
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heh right back atcha:)


That's it? "[R]ight back atcha[?!?]"

I expected an attempt at a one-up!

I put Lucy at a loss for words!! This is so going on my calendar.




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RE: Presidential Leadership - 1/16/2018 11:58:02 AM   
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Are we sure the RNC is going to implode?

I'm truly hoping the RNC gets back to it's traditional party platform. If you recall, I maintained that Trump should have been disqualified and not nominated by the GOP because he doesn't follow the traditional GOP platform. Both parties need a "come to Jesus" moment to right themselves, imo.


This president has been leading more conservatively, set a more conservative agenda than any president since Reagan

The GOP platform has been primarily about appeasing leftists, which is why we now have Trump as Commander-In-Chief

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RE: Presidential Leadership - 1/16/2018 12:03:02 PM   
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ORIGINAL: DesideriScuri

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ORIGINAL: MasterJaguar01
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ORIGINAL: DesideriScuri
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ORIGINAL: MasterJaguar01
He should have gone on national TV and radio and assured Hawaii and the whole nation that we are safe and done so within the 38 minutes. And, if there was even a possibility that he was not notified in a timely manner, he should have immediately done so afterward (which he has not done). That's what a leader would do.
I have been a leader for the last 20 years of my career, and have dealt with similar situations (albeit nuclear missile alerts) and that is exactly what I have done. It is, I sincerely believe Obama would have done. It is most certainly what any competent leader of ANY nation on this planet would have done. I could care less what party anyone is from. There is leadership, and there is the current administration. The two could not be farther apart.

With as disingenuous as you argue, I feel sorry for your followers.

I can sincerely assure you that I am not being disingenuous in any way.
I am sorry you feel that way. I have always enjoyed debating with you, and have credited you with many ingenious ideas.
I am not sure that I have any followers. However, your comment above is disappointing, nonetheless.


You're not sure you have any followers? How were you a leader, then?




Oh.... At work... Yes. I thought you were talking about on the forums.

As for my employees. they know my sincerity and vision and dedication to the mission. No problem there (Gee, I sound Trumpian) :)

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RE: Presidential Leadership - 1/16/2018 6:31:29 PM   
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Oh.... At work... Yes. I thought you were talking about on the forums.
As for my employees. they know my sincerity and vision and dedication to the mission. No problem there (Gee, I sound Trumpian) :)


You claimed to be a leader for 20 years. I said I felt bad for your followers. You thought I meant here on the forums?!? Maybe you spend too much time in Spokane. You are having a tough time keeping up there, bub.


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RE: Presidential Leadership - 1/16/2018 7:04:50 PM   
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ORIGINAL: DesideriScuri

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Oh.... At work... Yes. I thought you were talking about on the forums.
As for my employees. they know my sincerity and vision and dedication to the mission. No problem there (Gee, I sound Trumpian) :)


You claimed to be a leader for 20 years. I said I felt bad for your followers. You thought I meant here on the forums?!? Maybe you spend too much time in Spokane. You are having a tough time keeping up there, bub.




I have had a lot of respect for your opinions and have enjoyed debating with you over the years. I am not sure what prompted your personal attacks.

It is rather sad to see.

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