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Doms and whores. - 8/9/2006 1:02:42 PM

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Along with my apologies for being a tad absent lately, I bring you the latest in controversial topics, as customary.

Let's look at a random profile here on collarme :

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THIS IS ALL ABOUT ME AND WHAT I WANT. I WAS BORN TO BE WORSHIPPED AND I WILL BE.
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Nothing in life is free. I DO REQUIRE TRIBUTES. I have been a lifestyle domme...there is no difference...I just love the power of taking whats yours and making it MINE!

I don't believe in the old saying "The best things in life are free"... everyone knows the best things in life are paid for.

If you truly believe in something and want it bad enough then you will do what it takes to have it.

So, nothing is free, except that doesn't mean she has to pay for getting whatever it is she wants, it's someone else that has to pay for some vague "privilege" of some sort. contorted.

when did you last hear about a male dominant requiring "tributes" ? and isn't it strange that half the female self proclaimed "lifestyle domme" seem to ? and slaves work about the same way, it's usually boys that pay their fare and girls that expect the master to do it.

there's a distinct yet similar category, of women that don't outright beg for money, but still are looking for something very speciffic. a nice house. a better matress than they can afford. real wine. real kashmir. a better car. lifestyle as in plush couch not necessarily as in sweat and blood. all the bdsm contraption then become something tollerated, for the caviar and mumm, it isn't as bad as it seems, it doesn't last that long, heck, why not sort of thing.

so, the question is, do you belive that females more than males whore it out for material advantage in the bdsm community ? or is the above just an internet artefact ?

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RE: Doms and whores. - 8/9/2006 1:05:24 PM

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Sadly, it's supply and demand. Based on the numbers of women "demanding" tributes, how many sub men out there are obviously dopey enough to fall for it? Men should be talking to each other about NOT supporting these women if they irritate you so much.

Legitimate femdoms are not happy about this either; guys that are used to paying to obtain what they want develop a sense of entitlement and have all sorts of expectations.

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RE: Doms and whores. - 8/9/2006 1:15:35 PM

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it does not irritate me in the slightest. i'm an observer of human nature, other than curiosity i don't give a shit.

i'm pretty sure there's more men than women anywhere there's a fronteer. that's how it always tend to work out. most american's grand-grandmother was either an old world whore forcibly shipped to the new world, a woman someone bought for tobacco leaves, a black woman someone raped etc etc. all because there weren't that many women there, had to get the place populated somehow.

but just because there's more men that women doing one thing or the other doesn't mean women absolutely must sell themselves, does it ? i mean, there's more women into cuddling than men, you don't see men selling cuddling services do you ?

i really suspect it's a matter of upbringing.

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RE: Doms and whores. - 8/9/2006 1:33:24 PM

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Morally correct or not, men would demand it too. If there weren't so many of them. The demand was up. I know at least 50 male subs here local to me. Yet, I know zero fem doms local to me.
If they can get away with it they will. If there were an over abundance it would stop all of that.

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RE: Doms and whores. - 8/9/2006 1:36:01 PM

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Ok firstly i hope you got permission to quote someones profile!
Prostitution is the worlds oldest career and mainly we hear of female prostitutes. I'm pretty sure male ones exist after all we have the politely called male escorts in every city. It has always been a predominantly male thing though to pay for sexual services. For whatever reason women just don't seem to go for it that much. This is probably why your opinion is that the world is full of female hookers.
Secondly to quote the profile you quoted 'taking whats yours and making it mine'. Is this not just an extension of a domme taking control of her sub? Maybe a little extreme but thats how it seems to me.
If there are men out there willing to surrender everything to her then surely that is between the two of them. Noone elses business and not ours to judge.
The second category of women you mention, the ones who want a nice house, nice car etc, well ive dated their male equivalents so let me tell you there are just as many men out there looking for a free ride as there are women.
Yes females probably whore it our more but its all about supply and demand and female prostitutes are in much greater demand than male. I'd like to say its because women aint that desperate to get laid but who knows whats the reason is.
Im curious why you entitled this the Dom and whores when its about Dommes and subs / slaves?
Also your comment about upbringing, how on earth is that relevant? Is prostitution something which usually runs in the family? Your statement calling half of Americas grannies old whores is sure to go down well - not!!
What is it about prostitution that bugs you? Ive seen other threads where uve demeaned women in this way and just wonder what exactly your problem is?

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RE: Doms and whores. - 8/9/2006 1:39:16 PM

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I think what zeno meant by upbringing is that traditionally women are raised to see men as the provider... in most traditions... men buy - women take.

WB Zeno btw... missed you, where have you been? and missed your provocative posts....

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RE: Doms and whores. - 8/9/2006 1:44:22 PM

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Maybe he did but seeing as he is talking about women selling themselves i can't see how. Thank you though.

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RE: Doms and whores. - 8/9/2006 1:50:31 PM

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ORIGINAL: zenofeller

Along with my apologies for being a tad absent lately, I bring you the latest in controversial topics, as customary.

This is not the latest in controversial topics. It is the oldest, in controversial topics. So I will give you "controversial". Because I am sure all you want to do is stir up the same old arguments.
As one who is such "an observer of human nature", perhaps you could try to bring something a bit fresher to the table.
I, for one, never noticed you were away.

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RE: Doms and whores. - 8/9/2006 1:52:09 PM

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[quote]ORIGINAL: zenofeller

so, the question is, do you belive that females more than males whore it out for material advantage in the bdsm community ? or is the above just an internet artefact ?
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i think it depends largely on demographics, with the various cultural mindsets and environments and belief systems influencing these factors, then combine that with the myriad of personalities alive and kickin. On the whole, i believe a good sized chunk of the population would love to find easier ways of aquisition of whatever they set their desires upon, which includes good hood whoredom by both sexes. Seen just as many women get taken for a financial spin as well as the men. Hard to say, from my vantage point, the stakes appear to be just about equal, still with the gals just a nose ahead. *grin

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RE: Doms and whores. - 8/9/2006 1:53:12 PM

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Women raised in such an environment are selling themselves. Even if they do not realise it (not all women - but many do, even without realising it). Women use their sexuality to get what they want. Thats selling. Its all about marketing and advertising. Men are not as adept as that because tradition has the roles that men are the hunter/gatherer... they provide. Even in the animal kingdom females are attracted by the most dominant, the one that can provide the most... and they 'sell' themselves to that male.

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RE: Doms and whores. - 8/9/2006 1:56:13 PM

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I always wonder about those I want I want I want posts myself. I wonder why I havent done one! In some ways, maybe it would be nice to be 21 and beautiful. Maybe I could get a buncha guys to pay my way. Oh well. Too late now. I never thought of it way back when. I was raised to believe it was all about FREE love. Stupid me, listening to the damn media.

I just think its amazing though, that here we are in a world where most women say there aren't enough men to go around, yet on this site, we hear about how men outnumber women. Ahhhh. What a breath of fresh air! Thats just music to my ears. Its so nice to be wanted.

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RE: Doms and whores. - 8/9/2006 1:59:50 PM

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Whilst i agree with the points you make here i do not agree with zenofellers constant put downs of women. My argument is not with you its with him.

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RE: Doms and whores. - 8/9/2006 2:04:28 PM

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quote:

So, nothing is free, except that doesn't mean she has to pay for getting whatever it is she wants, it's someone else that has to pay for some vague "privilege" of some sort. contorted.

she doesn't pay uh. Hmm - well let's see now. i doubt anyone would want to pay a pro who showed up in her robe and slippers and a fly swatter. LOL - Oh this is going to be fun.

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when did you last hear about a male dominant requiring "tributes" ? and isn't it strange that half the female self proclaimed "lifestyle domme" seem to ? and slaves work about the same way, it's usually boys that pay their fare and girls that expect the master to do it.

well, as i recall - just last night i paid "tributes" LOL. It all depends on the uhm "tributee". Are you listening up all you female subs and slaves - we don't pay for nuttin' now do we.

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there's a distinct yet similar category, of women that don't outright beg for money, but still are looking for something very speciffic. a nice house. a better matress than they can afford. real wine. real kashmir. a better car. lifestyle as in plush couch not necessarily as in sweat and blood. all the bdsm contraption then become something tollerated, for the caviar and mumm, it isn't as bad as it seems, it doesn't last that long, heck, why not sort of thing.

Ya know, i personally think you need a real life and some REAL experience. male subs beg for money ALL the time - they manipulate and maneuver too. Give me an f_ _ _ _ _ n break. What is your REAL problem? You say you don't really give a shit, but why post this if you don't? i think you fall into the category of men/boys who are royally ticked off that they CAN'T get paid for something a prodomme can. But hey - i wonder have you ever even KNOWN a pro? Ever talked to her like a person instead of some object to just and kick aside and belittle on these boards?

And yes this really bugs me, not just because i'm a woman, but because i do know some real live pros and they work damn hard kiddo.

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RE: Doms and whores. - 8/9/2006 2:04:46 PM

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ORIGINAL: zenofeller
there's a distinct yet similar category, of women that don't outright beg for money, but still are looking for something very speciffic. a nice house. a better matress than they can afford. real wine. real kashmir. a better car. lifestyle as in plush couch not necessarily as in sweat and blood. all the bdsm contraption then become something tollerated, for the caviar and mumm, it isn't as bad as it seems, it doesn't last that long, heck, why not sort of thing.

so, the question is, do you belive that females more than males whore it out for material advantage in the bdsm community ? or is the above just an internet artefact ?

I think in terms of how money and material gains are used, we're still stuck in the stereotypical gender years.

Yes I find it amusing that so many slaves and subs will gladly service their dom's cock, service the house, submit to enduring incredible pain, heck even get another piece of ass into bed to enjoy- but get absolutely horrified at the idea of being used for financial service (and it needn't even be actual whoring).

Male doms tend to ask for things like sex or for the sub to wear a particular something on a first date instead of asking for outright tribute- both are for the same purpose however.

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RE: Doms and whores. - 8/9/2006 2:10:47 PM

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ORIGINAL: missturbation
Im curious why you entitled this the Dom and whores when its about Dommes and subs / slaves?

because i don;t belive in declination for the english language. doctor, no doctoress. judge, no judgette. dom, no domme.

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ORIGINAL: GoddessDustyGold
I, for one, never noticed you were away.

then again dark did, and she's got a sexier avatar, so
your pwnt.

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ORIGINAL: Submotive
And yes this really bugs me, not just because i'm a woman, but because i do know some real live pros and they work damn hard kiddo.

wasnt talking about the real pro's, i know a few myself, they do work damn hard. i was talking about something else, you know.

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ORIGINAL: LuckyAlbatross
Male doms tend to ask for things like sex or for the sub to wear a particular something on a first date instead of asking for outright tribute- both are for the same purpose however.

disputable, albatross. if the dom is trying to show subbie off to his poker club, maybe. otherwise, what's the payoff ? where do you see it ?

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RE: Doms and whores. - 8/9/2006 2:14:53 PM

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Actually in the animal kingdom the male has to compete/fight for the right to mate with the Alpha female, at least in most species. It is not something that is a given, the Alpha female can reject the male and no mating between the pair will take place.

In humans though this is nothing but conditioning. Most females have been conditioned to believe that they need a male to be the provider and that they as women need to stay home and take care of home and children. Therefore women are taught to use their good looks(sexuality), submissiveness(feigned or natural) and good cooking will get you that mate.

While males are taught that they have to be Dominant (even if by nature they aren't) so they can get a good job, attract a suitable mate, bare young and look good for society.

Do I think its right? Hell no I say let people be THEMSELVES without a bunch of conditioning to train them to be something they aren't. Alot of women aren't submissive and some don't want to be wives and mothers. Alot of men aren't Dominant and dont' want to be CEO's, husbands and fathers. I think people should be allowed to become what they wish to be.

As for these peeps making a buck off of some horny guy..thats been going on forever. A fool and his money are soon parted. No one is forcing him to pay, he's doing it because he WANTS too and she's doing it to make money. The internet just makes it quicker, easier and is a great way to advertise.

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RE: Doms and whores. - 8/9/2006 2:16:26 PM

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It's because women have learned the one thing that controls men and brings them to their knees and there isn't anything they can do about it.

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RE: Doms and whores. - 8/9/2006 2:19:15 PM

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ORIGINAL: missturbation

Ok firstly i hope you got permission to quote someones profile!...

Permission is not required to quote a money pig's profile... or anybody's profile posted for fishing in the public domain.

But she does expect lowly him to pay highly her some good old fashioned tribute... not a watermelon, not a chicken... just good old fashioned money pig dollar sucking tribute...

I'm told that if you read the fine print it's described as compensation for having some type or sort of hatchet wound.
Why can't we all just get along?

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RE: Doms and whores. - 8/9/2006 2:20:57 PM

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ORIGINAL: Lashra
Actually in the animal kingdom the male has to compete/fight for the right to mate with the Alpha female, at least in most species. It is not something that is a given, the Alpha female can reject the male and no mating between the pair will take place.

i'm pretty sure you don't know what you're talking about. there's much diversity in the animal kingdom.

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Do I think its right? Hell no I say let people be THEMSELVES without a bunch of conditioning to train them to be something they aren't. Alot of women aren't submissive and some don't want to be wives and mothers. Alot of men aren't Dominant and dont' want to be CEO's, husbands and fathers. I think people should be allowed to become what they wish to be.

c'est pas de hors texte. there's nothing outside conditioning m'dear.

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As for these peeps making a buck off of some horny guy..thats been going on forever. A fool and his money are soon parted. No one is forcing him to pay, he's doing it because he WANTS too and she's doing it to make money. The internet just makes it quicker, easier and is a great way to advertise.

~Lashra

bear in mind that i;m not discussing the deed. i'm discussing the offer. fool and his money, buck off horny guy, sure. not what i;m talking about. i'm talking about a certain deranged mindset where "nothing is life is free so i want you to pay for me, or moreover for the privilege to see me be... me. uneducated, projects spawn me." see ?

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RE: Doms and whores. - 8/9/2006 2:22:16 PM

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My goodness a Dom with a sense of humour - now theres a rarity lol.
Prostitution is honest work don't ya know. The Domme who posted this profile isnt hiding behind anything - she is telling it how she wants it. As lucky albatross said if i arranged to meet a Dom and he asked me to wear certain things and i had to go out and buy them im paying tribute. Just not as honest a way as being told up front.

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