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MisPandora -> RE: Need advice on size of Master's --beeeep-- (9/24/2006 5:50:15 AM)

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ORIGINAL: Emperor1956

Now wait a minute...I was going along just fine in this thread until it became about (1) his failure to disclose and (2) that he was somehow lying or dishonest because he didn't disclose?

It is easy to advocate "total honesty", but it is I think much harder to live it.  Those of you who took on the guy as somehow being liar, or even took on the OP as "not finding out sooner" are wrong.  I much more respect CravesPleasure, KatyLied and the others who posted about how they dealt with this issue in their lives.

I'm going to call you who posted in that negative vein out on this one:  I think you are being hypocrites.  One common complaint we see here on CM from women is about all the rude jerks who introduce their penises into the conversation TOO EARLY, by words and/or pictures.  NOW we get the vocal (mostly) female contingent asking for a "small penis" disclaimer?  I don't buy it. 

But you think that it's ok that he set her up in the corner with that long (pardon the pun) buildup and then when he's sticking the Vienna Sausage to her, saying, "Can you feel your Master?"  Come on, is that deliberately setting her up for a swift beating, knowing she's going to say no?!?!?!?! 




MisPandora -> RE: Need advice on size of Master's --beeeep-- (9/24/2006 5:51:30 AM)

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ORIGINAL: Lashra
There are options, they do sell penis extensions at extreme restraints, it just slides over the cock and adds about 2 inches to it, so that might help. Or if he is good with his tongue or toys there is always that. If not perhaps a sub male slave could be brought in and he could be the stud. Last resort is to find another Dom.

Or she can gift him with a strapon..... or move on if live and large cock is really important to her.....




LotusSong -> RE: Need advice on size of Master's --beeeep-- (9/24/2006 7:22:08 AM)

Dear Emperor et. All,
 
This whole situation is the reverse of the one's the Doms lament over when they finally meet their online sub for the first RT.. "But she's 50 pounds HEAVIER than her profile states"!  and she "has never actually DONE "A- B- C" like she did in cyber sex with me"!
 
I'm sympathetic to those in both cases.  What is most scary about me is that I have NO problem in stopping the show and saying.. "uh, Huston, there seems to be a situation we need to talk about"
 
Both males and females that haven't QUITE been upfront already will be expecting a dialog to follow.  So, I'd assure the OP not to be too anxious about the upcoming discussion.  He is the one who is sweating bullets now..
 
I also agree.. to look at the whole package.  She did fall in love with him for SOME reason other than the penis situation. Right now, she is just disappointed (I hope I'm on target here-just thinking how I might feel),  I'm sure she doesn't love him less. She's in shock.
 
There are extensions a man can use and he might even want to use them as a really kinky "extension" of their play (pun intended).
 
This is a tough case of trying to preserve one's dignity,  Both are feeling VERY vulnerable at this time.  So OP- just talk- You and He will be fine.  This will either make you or break you and I'm sure it's not his first rodeo concerning this issue.




Wildfleurs -> RE: Need advice on size of Master's --beeeep-- (9/24/2006 7:35:30 AM)

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ORIGINAL: twicehappy

As the OP stated they had been together for five months in real time i think that was sufficient time to inform her of this issue with his anatomy, especially prior to when they were planning to play for the first time.
 
This is very different from sending a photo or bragging on the size of your member in the second email.
 
It is possible he was unaware that his penis was small but from the way it sounded in the OP's opening post it does appear that he took great pains that she not see or feel his penis until the last moment possible.
 


I can't help but think about my owner in regards to the issue of waiting to have sex and such.  My owner just by virtue of his personality is not inclined to have sex with someone unless he knows them very very very well and has some level of feelings towards them.  We spent a good year.. year and a half playing before I earned the privilege to have sex with him (and this was very regular play, not a long distance setup).  There was nothing wrong, deficient, or small about his anatomy.. he just didn't (and still doesn't) believe in just fucking people that he doesn't know very well.

C~




KnightofMists -> RE: Need advice on size of Master's --beeeep-- (9/24/2006 7:57:15 AM)

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ORIGINAL: FirmhandKY

Perhaps "hyper-aware" was a poor choice of words.

My meaning would be more accurately stated as "sensitive to" in the sense that while growing up, sexual identification insults and insults about the size of a males organ are common ("needle dick", "pencil dick", "teeny weeny","she needed tweezers" etc).  They are especially effective and insulting when coming from a woman, are they not?


I would agree with the word sensitive.  Interestingly thou.. these insults amoung men occur on the basis of the unerect penis... When was the last time you actually saw an erect penis? (In person... and not on some porn)   I suspect that such comments and insults would be effective if they came from women... personally... I never was subjected to it.
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However, even your own words show that you were, for many years, under the impression that you were "at best average and even on the small size".  Where did this initial impression come from?  Does it not mean you considered your size at some point?  Don't (most) all men?


personally, I think the intial impression comes from us men within our teenage years.  I believe that we gain these initial impressions by the observing each other in unerect states that in truth is not a fair or accurate representation of the truth of one's erected size.  It is also influenced by the general fear young adult men have of being sexually competent with a woman.  For some they guage their competence basis on their perception of size.. the statement... "Bigger is Better" idea.  However, for some... they take hold of the idea that "skill of Use" is much more important.  I also suspect that our intial sexual experiences can have a tremendous validating or devaluing effect on our self-image and each person situation is going to be different in this regard.

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Which is my point.


My point is that out side of the extremes in size.. be it small or large.  The self-image that one has can very likely be based on nothing but fears and illusions.  I would also say that even at the extremes... that of either size one is possible to have a good or bad self image just because of their intial sexual experiences.

And then there is... "Who are you going to please with that?"    the answer ME!

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If you, who is "on par or larger" than average, thought you were below average, what then do you think the most plausible thoughts are of a man who is definitely "below par"?


and how does he definitely know he is "below par"?  and as I said... intial experiences can have a huge validating effect or devaluing effect... it really depends on what experiences a person has... be they fortunate or unfortunate.

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Personally, I've never been particularly hung up about my size [:D] either, and understand that I'm at least "average". But I'd also be lying if I said that if a woman told me that I was "smaller than average" in any context other than one of open honest communications, it wouldn't have an impact (even if I never let the impact show).


It is a sensitive issue to raise to be sure.  Particular if the person is under the impression the subject in question is of lesser stature.  I believe approaching it with sensitivity and open honest communication can go a long ways.  But, if size does matter to a girl... well... personally...she better speak before she opens the package.   Even if all she expects and wants at least an average package!  she should state it.  I have found many men become less concerned with there size... be it smaller or larger.. with the more experiences they have in their life.  This lack of concern makes it unimportant for me to express anything with regards to my penis size.  So if the women doesn't speak before opening the package... well so sorry. you did open door number one.  I wasn't concerned with it... women in general keep expressing that we are too focus on SEX.  So we try to focus on the issues that we precieve that are important for women as we develop the relationship.  Then wam... they open door number one and the hypocrit appears.  I find in general men are very comfortable speaking about sex... but this is the opposite for women.  Yes there is exceptions.  But frankly... if you can't open the subject up with our partner on issues that are sensitive to you and concern you... well go whine to some else.


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It has nothing to do with the physical facts, and everything to do with the emotional context.

I find it difficult to credit the man (or any man) who is under discussion with total obliviousness on this subject, which is the argument that you, Emperor and LaM and LA all seem to now be making.



well I can make the arguement.. because my actual experience has shown me that some men can be oblivious to the facts.  They can have illusions of grandeur or defiencency.  Or they frankly don't care or it is not a concern for them... which is particularly the case when someone is emotional stable and content in their own sexuality.

So the man in question.. frankly nothing the OP states indicates that he was aware or oblivious.  But... it does show that the OP has the problem.... which may or may not be this gentleman's problem.




KnightofMists -> RE: Need advice on size of Master's --beeeep-- (9/24/2006 8:12:33 AM)

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ORIGINAL: LotusSong

Dear Emperor et. All,
 
This whole situation is the reverse of the one's the Doms lament over when they finally meet their online sub for the first RT.. "But she's 50 pounds HEAVIER than her profile states"! 


I disagree... the situations are not alike.

First... Was the OP given anything to suggest that the Dominant was.... 6 inches or 5 or even 4 inches  ... Seems to me the actual size was never stated....   If she ask.... and he gave her X and it was Y... then he lied!  but if she never asked or even indicate that the value of X mattered to her... I question where is the dishonesty.  If she doesn't ask and he is not concerned.. then why bring it up.

example... it wasn't until  about a month ago that I actually found out how heavy kyra is.  It was never a question I ever asked in almost two years... Because I didn't care what the number was!  I only found out because kyra joined this weight loss challenge at work.... otherwise I still wouldn't know.  To be honest... I um not sure what her wait is anymore... I um forgot.... like I said... it just doesn't matter to me.  However, there was things that did matter to me... AND I ASKED!  I also expected honest answers.

Now... to kyra's point.... she is sensitive to her weight.  She was surprised that I never asked.  In the beginning when we were just chatting on line and things was looking serious... she would bring up the subject.  She brought it up because she was sensitive of her weight and did't want to become hurt if the weight issue was a concern for me.  She didn't want to surprize me.  As I recalled... I just asked what size of clothes she fits into.... she told me... then I told her... ok that find  Now you gave me an idea of the size of you which reflects your picture... the number is of no concern to me.

This is the point.. if one is sensitive to the issue.... Bring it up.  Just because I am sensitive to the issue doesn't mean my partner is concerned about it or that it is even on their radar.  I don't concern myself what society thinks is important... I worry about what is important to me... and what is important to my girls (which needs to be communicated to me first!)





LotusSong -> RE: Need advice on size of Master's --beeeep-- (9/24/2006 8:24:16 AM)

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ORIGINAL: KnightofMists

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ORIGINAL: LotusSong

Dear Emperor et. All,
 
This whole situation is the reverse of the one's the Doms lament over when they finally meet their online sub for the first RT.. "But she's 50 pounds HEAVIER than her profile states"! 


I disagree... the situations are not alike.



I was refering to the initial "shock" effect of the surprise is all.




Donnalee -> RE: Need advice on size of Master's --beeeep-- (9/24/2006 8:24:17 AM)

I think the discussion on this thread has been wonderfull, and I've gained tons of insight into how different people think about both penis size and communicating about that and their expectations.  One thing I haven't seen mentioned is the medical condition, micropenis.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Micropenis

If he got medical care during his childhood and even exams through adulthood, the likelihood of some medical person asking him about it, or informing him about his options with it are pretty high.

Hearing that he was asking her if she could feel it during the throes of intimate acts is a hint to me that he's very much aware of his size and the possibility that she might not be feeling it.   Maybe he would be relieved to get it out into the open?




MCandNuri -> RE: Need advice on size of Master's --beeeep-- (9/24/2006 8:25:19 AM)

First off, it's no wonder you feel uncomfortable discussing this with him. You can't even say PENIS without feeling squicked out.
Having said this, I think that if you don't feel you can address this, perhaps your biggest problem isn't the size of his cock.
I know as a slave my pleasure isn't what it is all about
Let's be honest, now. Maybe it's just that I don't do the whole 'slave' dynamic- but I tend to think being as human nature is what it is, that's bull. Sure, put others needs in front of yours- kudos, but there is only so long a person can go, completely deprived of ANY pleasure. If your pleasure comes in pleasing him, then, his cock size shouldn't matter a bit, but since you've expressed that it clearly does, let's not kid ourselves, here.
It's rad that you want advice- but what bothers me, here, is your fear of addressing something to your Master that really seems to bother you. That shouldn't be an issue, and he handled it pretty badly.
Step OUT of 'lifestyle' for a few moments and talk about fundamentals, that is my advice to you. Seems to me this whole thing got rushed along with out the initial Q and A that needs to be in any relationship.





KnightofMists -> RE: Need advice on size of Master's --beeeep-- (9/24/2006 8:33:03 AM)

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ORIGINAL: MisPandora

But you think that it's ok that he set her up in the corner with that long (pardon the pun) buildup and then when he's sticking the Vienna Sausage to her, saying, "Can you feel your Master?"  Come on, is that deliberately setting her up for a swift beating, knowing she's going to say no?!?!?!?! 


if he is not concerned about his size and she never express a concern about size of a man... then why would he raise the issue?  Why would anything he done be wrong? 

Secondly... you are assuming that he is going to beat her for saying no  Hell he might of expected a No... we don't know what he was thinking... you are making assumptions on what he was thinking and feeling... you frankly don't know squat ... none of us do!

First answer to me... Was he Concerned about his size.. WAS it an issue...  Not I think it was or ...Where did he express that he had an issue with his size.

Second answer to me... Where the OP raised the issue as a concern for her... before she found out.  Poor girl she open door number one... and she didn't like the surprize.... well maybe next time she will think about that before she opens door number one.  She learn a hard lesson.... now she has to work thru it.


I find it amazing... because she has the issue... that people are automatically pointing the finger that the guy cause the problem.  Well nothing states that he has a problem.  She is the one with the problem

As a note... I am perked with interest that she never felt anything.... I have one occassions just used my finger in my girls and others.  My finger is a not so big... but even my finger is felt with the women I have played with.  It might be an additional issue that the OP lacks sensitivity to some degree... in combination to his small size the sensations are not all that significant.




KnightofMists -> RE: Need advice on size of Master's --beeeep-- (9/24/2006 8:36:17 AM)

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ORIGINAL: Donnalee

Hearing that he was asking her if she could feel it during the throes of intimate acts is a hint to me that he's very much aware of his size and the possibility that she might not be feeling it.   Maybe he would be relieved to get it out into the open?


I disagree... I have and I have watch more than a few do the exact same thing.  It hints nothing.  except him wanting to know if she felt it.... the question is... can she be honest and say NO.  Or is she going to lie.




MCandNuri -> RE: Need advice on size of Master's --beeeep-- (9/24/2006 8:37:02 AM)

I agree with you almost 100%.
The almost being, I really, REALLY don't go there, in reguards to an issue of her anatomy. ;-)
I've been smacked upside the head one too many times on that one.
Then again, I have no tact.






KnightofMists -> RE: Need advice on size of Master's --beeeep-- (9/24/2006 8:39:02 AM)

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ORIGINAL: MCandNuri

Then again, I have no tact.



I have been accused of the same thing many times




MCandNuri -> RE: Need advice on size of Master's --beeeep-- (9/24/2006 8:39:06 AM)

"Can you feel it BITCH, can YOU FEEL IT?!"
"um, actually, no, not so much.."
Moodkill.
End of play, beginning of big discussion of doom wherein this dog usually ends up saying something incredibly stupid, and gets told she's being imasculating.
Like I said before, it all shoulda been addressed well before the pants came off.





losttreasure -> RE: Need advice on size of Master's --beeeep-- (9/24/2006 8:45:21 AM)

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ORIGINAL: gentlethistle

I think that something similar for women's genitals or breasts would be great.  I expect they already exist somewhere. 


It does.  Here.




ownedgirlie -> RE: Need advice on size of Master's --beeeep-- (9/24/2006 8:49:41 AM)

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ORIGINAL: KnightofMists
I find it amazing... because she has the issue... that people are automatically pointing the finger that the guy cause the problem.  Well nothing states that he has a problem.  She is the one with the problem

I tried to stay out of this thread because frankly I don't see what the issue is.   The benefits I gain from the privilege of belonging to my Master have nothing to do with the size of an appendage.  After how many gazillion threads about how submission comes from the heart, and men should love their subs regardless of their size....now we are going to contemplate submitting to someone because of his penis size?  I find the whole thing to be quite amazing.

Anyway, think of it this way - anal sex won't hurt.

After seeing this post, I had to write in to agree.  She is the one with the problem.  Personally, whenever I have a problem I am required to talk to my Master about it.  If he has a slave who decides she does not want to submit to him because his penis is not big enough for her, then he will move on and find someone who appreciates what he gives her.

Not trying to sound harsh, I just don't see it as a problem.




KnightofMists -> RE: Need advice on size of Master's --beeeep-- (9/24/2006 8:56:09 AM)

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ORIGINAL: MCandNuri

"Like I said before, it all shoulda been addressed well before the pants came off.



I completely agree.  To the OP's credit... she wasnt aware of the sensitivity she had to this issue.  Likely because she never experieced a person of such a size and/or never consider it before now.  Well now that she has... so the question is... Can she be Honest about it?

Again to her credit... she states he is going to address this issue.  Not easy.... but I think it is the right thing to do.




velvetears -> RE: Need advice on size of Master's --beeeep-- (9/24/2006 9:02:45 AM)

i would say it doesn't really matter if he "knew" or "didn't know" that his penis size would be an issue, they are in a relationship now and she has to deal with something that is obviously distressing to her. After reading the post it struck me that perhaps your expectation level was so high that the fact he was small was "overblown" so to speak. You had no idea what to expect as you had never experienced him, so you didn't know how to compensate for the situation. Now you know what to expect and can use your imagination and knowledge of your own body to see if different positions, combinations of toys with intercourse, etc will make the experience more fulfilling for you. 

i would say when discussing things with him the focus shouldn't be on his size (he more then likely knows) being "deficient" but rather on your needs for more stimulation to be satisfied.  If everything in the relationship is working and you feel deeply for him would you really want to give this up because his penis was too small?  It's so difficult to find a "good match" emotionally/personality wise that i would think the physical aspects could be worked out.  Would you rather have an average or large dick but the guy attached to it a "dick head"?  i can certainly understand being disappointed if it was something you were expecting and did not experience, so evaluate everything and decide what it is that's really important to you. 




MisPandora -> RE: Need advice on size of Master's --beeeep-- (9/24/2006 9:07:22 AM)

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ORIGINAL: KnightofMists

I find it amazing... because she has the issue... that people are automatically pointing the finger that the guy cause the problem.  Well nothing states that he has a problem.  She is the one with the problem

As a note... I am perked with interest that she never felt anything.... I have one occassions just used my finger in my girls and others.  My finger is a not so big... but even my finger is felt with the women I have played with.  It might be an additional issue that the OP lacks sensitivity to some degree... in combination to his small size the sensations are not all that significant.

Nope. It's already crossed my mind that she might have a pussy that's big enough to parallel park a city transit bus in.  She's already created enough suspicion in my mind because she created another CM name just to hide and address this issue, and can't even SAY the word penis (and all it's other colorful words) without seeming to fall apart.  That stuff was already really evident.....




MCandNuri -> RE: Need advice on size of Master's --beeeep-- (9/24/2006 9:11:25 AM)

Now, see, that is the exact type of thing that would get my nose whacked with a newspaper BUT GOOD. *snicker*
Also, my talent for making the Wookie noise. I'm telling you, it crossed my mind, but I was...trying to be nice.
The current tends to use the bit gag when my mouth gets a bit too ..ah...sharp. ;-)




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