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RE: Opnions On Pro Domme's - 9/27/2006 7:33:45 AM

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goodness gracious, nothing says sheer dominance like a doggy style crotch shot

*coffee snort*

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RE: Opnions On Pro Domme's - 9/27/2006 7:35:59 AM

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ORIGINAL: LadyMorgynn

Actually, if you pronunce the "Ay" in PrincessACandy as a short vowel "ahy", you get Princess Eye Candy, which is probably what she had in mind.

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Editted to add: Okay, now I saw the website, , and should have known, not only with the pictures, but the nicks of princess and candy mixed, and another that says badlilcupcake, woohoo,,,,,,,,very dommish........

Negative. She signs "Princessa" like the italian pronunciation....*eye roll*

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RE: Opnions On Pro Domme's - 9/27/2006 7:37:05 AM

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I agree with you both as well, I looked at her profile and thought, "okay here is another stripper who thinks she can make some money smacking some poor guys ass for 20 minutes and calling them names. To me this does not show Dominance at all Pro or not.

Hey now, don't insult the strippers!

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RE: Opnions On Pro Domme's - 9/27/2006 7:44:18 AM

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*rant on*
cupcake --

You came here asking what we (some of the most respectable lifestyle dominas I've come across in a long long time....) think of "dominas like you." We told you. You whined back in response to what I thought was rather humane treatment. Clearly, you learned nothing because you didn't wish to hear what was said. You're really not going to want to hear this next bit, but it's going to be said anyhow. I'm not going to be nice about it either. That was yesterday. This is today.

You're a scammer. Your game is the con. You scam men out of money. You have no concerns for their health, their well-being or their ability to provide for their families and loved ones. You'd giggle as you took their last dollar, knowing they'd not be able to put food in their mouth, or the mouths of their children that week., and you would have NO conscience about it. The only thing you dominate is a poorly laid out website, the phone lines at Keen and your crawling-on-your-knees submissive poses in photos.

That's not dominance and it surely isn't professional -- it's careless abuse from a naieve spoiled brat who is only looking out for herself.

If you don't like the inevitable feedback, then DON'T FUCKING ASK.

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RE: Opnions On Pro Domme's - 9/27/2006 7:45:46 AM

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I guess as long as they are up front about it. To each their own.

couldn't agree more...I have no prejudice against pro dommes as long as they are not faking not to be so.

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RE: Opnions On Pro Domme's - 9/27/2006 7:46:06 AM

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ORIGINAL: NINASHARP

Your OP was about Prodommes, having been one, I try really hard to stay away from these threads because they go off into the negative. Many seem to wonder why there are so many domina's out there using a prodomme guise to take advantage of clueless Adult men who solicite their services and sadly they are right on, because of some self proclaimed prodomme ladies who indeed are very clueless to what it means to be a professional dominatirx, and they seem to give professional and lifestyle Dominas a bad name.

Now you ask about chasitity devises. Well IMO, I would stick with just the fluff of princess stuff, if it is working for you. Chasitity devices should be handled with care and also should be properly sanitized and each kept for individual use only.

Thank you Nina....very well said.

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RE: Opnions On Pro Domme's - 9/27/2006 7:51:55 AM

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Sea,

It's interesting you say this. (Brilliant post, btw.) The ethics of it is what really concerns me the most. A guy who immerses into the extreme fantasy roleplays of blackmail, castration, barbequeing, fin-dom and the like...they TRUST the domina won't go overboard and exceed the "sensible" limits that most humans have. The problem therein lies that they're extending gratis trust to people who've not proven their trustworthiness. You might say 'caveat emptor' in these cases, but I do not. These chicks float on that title "professional domina" and get by in the same category as the Ilsa Strixs, Sabrina Belladonnas, Susanne D'Arcys and Amanda Wildefyres of the world, and they clearly have neither the skills nor the wherewithall to remain in those ranks. (And they don't care to -- they're out for an effortless buck sitting on their asses behind a computer.) While there is a time and a place and a venue for most kinks, and a way to sensibly fulfill most of them, I fear that many of these fin-doms and pop-up barbie doms don't CARE to protect the well-being of their client to ensure their return and to make sure that they're doing no harm to the individual on the other end of her cyber leash.

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RE: Opnions On Pro Domme's - 9/27/2006 7:54:28 AM

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ORIGINAL: GoddessCandi

also right under my picture to the lef of my words in the date i joined.. YOU idiot.. This is the last im posting into this topic.. Most people will be able to understand what is going on. Thanks for your time.

Just warnin ya......we're all prepared to be called losers or dumbasses next.

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RE: Opnions On Pro Domme's - 9/27/2006 8:11:23 AM

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speaking of brilliant posts...

I could not agree more

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RE: Opnions On Pro Domme's - 9/27/2006 8:31:50 AM

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ORIGINAL: LadyMorgynn

Did I miss something? I thought I said I would *not* do a blackmail scenario... ???!!!

No you didn't miss anything. And I am truly sorry LadyMorgynn, for you did indeed post that you did not do a black mail scenario, so it was poor wording on my part in reply to your post.

I do think that your description of the scenario was an excellent example of would /could happen if one would do this sort of blackmailing thing. I also beleive that you would have to be a very trusting individual to be given confidential information on a submissive and then to have their consent to use that information to black mail them. Of course IMO, I don't think anyone who really partakes in this type of game is prepared to actually have the one doing the black mailing, to actually follow through on the threat to use the info to screw them over if they don't do what is requested. In Princessacandi's case, that would be, send her cash.

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RE: Opnions On Pro Domme's - 9/27/2006 8:33:33 AM

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ORIGINAL: MisPandora

Sea,

It's interesting you say this. (Brilliant post, btw.) The ethics of it is what really concerns me the most. A guy who immerses into the extreme fantasy roleplays of blackmail, castration, barbequeing, fin-dom and the like...they TRUST the domina won't go overboard and exceed the "sensible" limits that most humans have. The problem therein lies that they're extending gratis trust to people who've not proven their trustworthiness. You might say 'caveat emptor' in these cases, but I do not. These chicks float on that title "professional domina" and get by in the same category as the Ilsa Strixs, Sabrina Belladonnas, Susanne D'Arcys and Amanda Wildefyres of the world, and they clearly have neither the skills nor the wherewithall to remain in those ranks. (And they don't care to -- they're out for an effortless buck sitting on their asses behind a computer.) While there is a time and a place and a venue for most kinks, and a way to sensibly fulfill most of them, I fear that many of these fin-doms and pop-up barbie doms don't CARE to protect the well-being of their client to ensure their return and to make sure that they're doing no harm to the individual on the other end of her cyber leash.

Very Well Stated!

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RE: Opnions On Pro Domme's - 9/27/2006 8:56:02 AM

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I wonder if there is any way of blackmailing PrincessaC? She clearly has a lot of cash, and no problem to get more, and I'm a bit broke right now too, so there has to be some way there that everyone could get what they wanted?

Mind you, identifying exactly who and where PrincessaC is in the first place might be a bit difficult, it seems.....

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RE: Opnions On Pro Domme's - 9/27/2006 9:00:36 AM

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Therein lies the other scary scenario. What would someone like Princessacandi, who is CLEARLY in this for the money, do, if the payments were not made? Even if the payment agreed on was made, for the amount and length of time agreed on.... once the scenario was OVER..... could this person be trusted to not demand more, with the information that she has? How can he stop her once she has started? What if she says "but you wanted this" and keeps on?

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ORIGINAL: NINASHARP
Of course IMO, I don't think anyone who really partakes in this type of game is prepared to actually have the one doing the black mailing, to actually follow through on the threat to use the info to screw them over if they don't do what is requested. In Princessacandi's case, that would be, send her cash.

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RE: Opnions On Pro Domme's - 9/27/2006 9:22:02 AM

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I dunno, I think Princess is real - she wouldn't lie to me ... would she?????

On another note, why do people keep trying to sell me bridges??? ;-)

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RE: Opnions On Pro Domme's - 9/27/2006 9:23:19 AM

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Therein lies the other scary scenario. What would someone like Princessacandi, who is CLEARLY in this for the money, do, if the payments were not made? Even if the payment agreed on was made, for the amount and length of time agreed on.... once the scenario was OVER..... could this person be trusted to not demand more, with the information that she has? How can he stop her once she has started? What if she says "but you wanted this" and keeps on?

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ORIGINAL: NINASHARP
Of course IMO, I don't think anyone who really partakes in this type of game is prepared to actually have the one doing the black mailing, to actually follow through on the threat to use the info to screw them over if they don't do what is requested. In Princessacandi's case, that would be, send her cash.

Easy - threaten her with the cops and blackmail her back for double what she had from you in the first place!

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RE: Opnions On Pro Domme's - 9/27/2006 9:29:45 AM

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ORIGINAL: MistressTexas

Hey hey hey! LaTigresse, 99% of the time I find your posts, witty, graceful and intelligent. However I'm younger than... that.... and I call myself a Pro Domme as well. Granted I treat my subs with more respect, and don't sound like a valley girl on coke (just listen to her "proof message"), and I can offer more forms of domination than just "send me your money losers." But I am still 20. Age has nothing to do with being a crappy Pro, and I believe (slightly biased here) that it has only a passing relevance to how good/dedicated a Pro is.

My appologies, I was being sarcastic and should not have made such a blanket statement. I know quite a few very together kids and some really ignorant old people. Age really hasn't anything to do with maturity........of which the princess has not shown much of.

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RE: Opnions On Pro Domme's - 9/27/2006 9:33:47 AM

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ORIGINAL: wild1cfl

I agree with you both as well, I looked at her profile and thought, "okay here is another stripper who thinks she can make some money smacking some poor guys ass for 20 minutes and calling them names. To me this does not show Dominance at all Pro or not.

Hey now, don't insult the strippers!

MisPandora,
You are correct I should not insult the strippers, this con artist and generally despicable person should not be grouped with strippers. My apologies.
I also see from one of your post a little farther down the page that you also agree in calling this person what she is and I must say that you did it quite well.
I for one respect Pro Dommes like yourself who are in the lifestyle for more than just the money, my wife did it for a while and while she is a wonderful Domme I am glad that she has stopped the Pro stuff to concentrate only on our submissives now.

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RE: Opnions On Pro Domme's - 9/27/2006 11:18:40 AM

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I dunno, I think Princess is real - she wouldn't lie to me ... would she?????

On another note, why do people keep trying to sell me bridges??? ;-)

lol i have some beachfront property in arizona bay to sell ya.

i can totally understand the blackmail fetish. REAL blackmail is entirely different.

it's one thing to want to *get over* on some dumbass and juice him for all he's worth- hey, that's what makes the world go around. i have a few financial fetishists and honestly, it's a fun part of our interaction plus i get spoiled in the process. HOWEVER, notice i said *part* of our interaction. if someone wants to pay money dommes just to wallet rape them then let's face it, no one is holding a gun to their heads to fork it over.

i seriously don't equate most money dommes with being a pro domme PER se. at least being a pro domme someone pays for a service and receives it. most money dommes want bucks up front before they even allow you to SEE them.

how is that akin to a pro domme?

but to come here, get called out on her bullshit.. THEN attempt to act like it's a clone is absurd. she knows damn well it was her. like i said before. a clone will steal your pics, a clone will make you look like an ass. a clone would NOT promote the cloned person nor their website especially knowing it would lead to a page that could potentially out them.

she saw blaming it on a clone as a total easy way out.

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RE: Opnions On Pro Domme's - 9/27/2006 11:35:20 AM

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Wow... quite a bit of excitement ofn this thread... I always say that CM's post are the most exciting! Anyway, about Pro Dommes. Think of a all of the responses to unwanted emails that begin or end with a line resembling "IF YOU WANT [BLANK] GO SEE A PRO DOMME." That alone would indicate to me why they are needed. But why are there so many hard feelings about Pros? In my experience, it's the dishonesty factor. There are too many Pros who want to act like lifestyle Dommes, talk to subs online for a week, and then spring the "tribute trap." If a Domme is operating on a cash basis fine, but that should be an up-front issue. Aside from that, I have no objections.

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RE: Opnions On Pro Domme's - 9/27/2006 11:48:53 AM

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ORIGINAL: michaelGA2

Pro-Dommes would be fine...if they didn't charge

In short, there should be ladies sitting around all day waiting for every idiot to walk in the door and demand that they wear certain clothes and act out a certain fantasy/fetish scenario....for free?

Sorry cholly, no can do. Nobody can. And yet there really is a need for such services, since there are a lot of guys out there who are not ready or not able to be in an actual relationship with another human being. They do need their kinky fantasies fulfilled, and they will either end up seeing a pro or lying, decieving, harrassing or otherwise annoying dominant women who are looking to get their own needs met rather than just catering to guys who don't have the time or energy to give anything of themselves to another human being.

A man who is ready, willing and able to give of himself and make room in his life for a relationship with another human being should seek out such a relationship. A man who just wants to compartamentalize his kink needs and get "done" the way he needs to get "done" every so often, without taking time and energy out of his life to give to another person, needs to see a pro and compensate her accordingly.

Thank goodness for pros, because they fill a need that is very prevalent in this lifestyle. There are a lot of men who flat out don't have anything to give a dominant woman that would meet her needs or make her happy. Fortunately there is a place for them, and that place is with a professional, so that the transaction is fair and honest on both sides. That is a much more honest and ethical relationship than it would be otherwise between a guy who just wants to get "done" his way without much concern for the needs and desires of another human being in a relationship, and a dominant woman who has needs, desires and expectations of her own.

If a guy asks me to play, and he likes the same things I do in scene (or is willing to do the things I like so that we will both have a good time), and he wants to relate to me as a human being and a friend rather than as a cardboard cut-out fetish doll who exists only as the object of his fetish, then we'll probably have a darn good time together. But the number of guys who actually fit this criteria by their own choice are remarkably small.

I am not willing to be a fetish actress for every guy who demands it with no consideration for my needs and desires and no interest in me as a person. I like what I like and I want what I want, and I only want to do those things with people who are interested in me as a human being and not as a life support system for a leather corset and a whip. So I am very, very grateful for pro dommes who will do these things for fair compensation, since they meet a real need in our lifestyle.

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