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RE: Opnions On Pro Domme's - 9/26/2006 8:02:42 PM   
NINASHARP


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ORIGINAL: Princessacandy

Yes im aware that its very illegal . I was just pointing out one aspect. Maybe another would be better .. I very much enjoy keyholding..... chastity... ANy comments on that now?


Your OP was about Prodommes, having been one, I try really hard to stay away from these threads because they go off into the negative. Many seem to wonder why there are so many domina's out there using a prodomme guise to take advantage of clueless Adult men who solicite their services and sadly they are right on, because of some self proclaimed prodomme ladies who indeed are very clueless to what it means to be a professional dominatirx, and they seem to give professional and lifestyle Dominas a bad name.

Now you ask about chasitity devises.  Well IMO, I would stick with just the fluff of princess stuff, if it is working for you. Chasitity devices should be handled with care and also should be properly sanitized and each kept for individual use only.

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RE: Opnions On Pro Domme's - 9/26/2006 8:05:01 PM   
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ORIGINAL: Princessacandy

Yes im aware that its very illegal . I was just pointing out one aspect. Maybe another would be better .. I very much enjoy keyholding..... chastity... ANy comments on that now?


Do you actually enjoy it, or do you enjoythe money you get for it?  Eg, would you do it for no money if you liked the person you were playing with?  Do you get sexual or emotional fulfillment from the activity? If the answer is no, then I don't think you can legitimately say that you enjoy it.

Nothing wrong with being a pro, but it's better to be an honest pro. 

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RE: Opnions On Pro Domme's - 9/26/2006 8:14:10 PM   
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ORIGINAL: NINASHARP
Many seem to wonder why there are so many domina's out there using a prodomme guise to take advantage of clueless Adult men who solicite their services and sadly they are right on, because of some self proclaimed prodomme ladies who indeed are very clueless to what it means to be a professional dominatirx, and they seem to give professional and lifestyle Dominas a bad name.


True enough, but that is exactly what a lot of men are looking for.  Also exactly what they need, want and deserve.

There is a huge number of clueless men on the Net who hammer on every female profile they can find with sexually explicit proposals and the expectation that you'll get naked for them on webcam within thirty seconds of being introduced by screen name....and his screen name is something like 10HotInchs or pissdrinkingcumslut.  I'm sorry, but these guys do NOT need, want or are anywhere near ready for a real relationship.  They need a pro, and they need a pro of exactly this caliber. 

Thank goodness for pros, and in particular thank goodness for pros who are willing to give these men what they want.  It  means that fewer of them are in my mailbox, and I am grateful.  To each their own, like to like, and may everyone find happiness with compatible partners in the way thay they want, need and deserve. 

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Now you ask about chasitity devises.  Well IMO, I would stick with just the fluff of princess stuff, if it is working for you. Chasitity devices should be handled with care and also should be properly sanitized and each kept for individual use only.


Good advice, and you can do some permanent damage to yourself if you use a chastity device improperly.

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RE: Opnions On Pro Domme's - 9/26/2006 8:17:56 PM   
NINASHARP


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ORIGINAL: joyinslavery
Try as you may, you can't use this lifestyle to hide behind or legitimize what it is that you are doing.  I think the majority of people here won't accept that.   


If you're talking about real life blackmail, I agree.  If that's what she's doing, it won't take long for the cops to be called on her by everyone who is annoyed that she is trying to use our lifestyle as an excuse for illegal and unethical activities. That would be pretty much everyone who is aware of this thread, I imagine.


Well it wasn't too hard for me to find her real name, location and phone number, if you want I can notify the proper authorities, but without knowing a true crime has been committed wouldn't it be better to try to educate her then condemn her?

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ORIGINAL: Najakcharmer
If she means fantasy blackmail where the parameters are set up ahead of time by consenting partners who choose to play that game, then she's doing nothing wrong.  I don't personally like the scene that she's doing, but other people do, and it's not up to us to decide how other people get to play if their play doesn't affect us directly. 



I agree

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ORIGINAL: Najakcharmer
Doing illegal shit and calling it part of our lifestyle DOES affect us directly, and we will deal with it accordingly.



Contact me on the other side Najakcharmer, she happens to be in your neck of the woods, so you would be the best one to call the local authorities if indeed this is what she is doing.

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RE: Opnions On Pro Domme's - 9/26/2006 8:23:12 PM   
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ORIGINAL: NINASHARP
Well it wasn't too hard for me to find her real name, location and phone number, if you want I can notify the proper authorities, but without knowing a true crime has been committed wouldn't it be better to try to educate her then condemn her?


Outing people is wrong and should not be done unless there is clear evidence that harmful acts are being committed.   At this point I'm concerned that this may be the case, but none of us know at this point.  I did want to make the point that blackmail was definitely not a part of our lifestyle, and it would be best if people who were talking about a consensual fantasy scenario could make that clear.

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RE: Opnions On Pro Domme's - 9/26/2006 8:29:31 PM   
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I've had guys contact me with an interest in blackmail.... an apparently sincere interest.  And I alwasy turn them down.  First because I have NO interest in blackmail.  And even if I did... and he gave me information to blackmail him with.  Let's say that, later on, months or a year, or any time he either got tired, or his wife or g/f found out, or he was suddenly sorry tht he'd given away whatever he had given me... how the HELL could I prove that it was consensual???  I mean, even if I have the original emails and so forth, the FACT is that I still blackmailed him.  Going to court I'd probably be exonerated, but that would depend on WHERE in the country adn the general liberality or not of the legal system there, plus I'd have to spend LOADS of money on legal counsel, and then there's the whole publicity aspect.  Wow!  There is no FREAKIN' way I would ever travel that road!  I personally think anyone who does is nuts, and just asking for trouble, but that's just my opinion :)

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RE: Opnions On Pro Domme's - 9/26/2006 8:35:45 PM   
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My thoughts from a relevant discussion elsewhere:

I think perspective can color seeking professional domination as wanton, or in the same light as seeking a spa treatment. I think one's views about sexuality strongly influence this perspective. In each case, one is seeking a service or experience that is a pleasure of sorts. However, in one case, that pleasure is sexual. And because of the taboo placed on sex and sexuality, many people feel seeking sexual pleasure in this manner is wrong.

There are so many different perspectives about sexuality and interaction between men and women. Imagine a culture where it is considered inappropriate for a woman to cut a man's hair, or give a man a clinical massage. Is a woman who crosses this line wrong, or is she questioning what is considered normal in her society? So there is a degree of relativity when it comes to values about proper behavior. I think there is less of a debate about whether professional domination is or can be a sexually oriented business. I think there is broader scope of views about whether it is wrong and if so, why is it wrong. I wager the biggest reason most people disapprove of sexually oriented professions stems from what we have been taught by society, and the taboo status society gives to sex and sexuality.

I think initial disapproval or distrust from someone towards sexually oriented professions may be based on incomplete information but is not hard to understand. I can imagine different reasons for this disapproval: uncertainty about value system, perception of exploitation of others, or perhaps feeling that it is an easy way to make money by being beautiful or doing something that they consider to be outside some set of rules (similar to someone cutting in line).

There was a time when I would not have known how to feel about persons who engaged in a sexually oriented business such as professional domination or dancing at men's clubs. At that time I had a much more rigid view regarding sexuality and the like. Then I met persons in such professions and my perception adjusted, if not changed.

I think my reason was tied to a whole other interesting discussion about psychology. In my opinion, we tend to more easily trust others if we feel they have the same set of values. Perhaps there is a sense of security because someone with the same set of values appears to be more predictable.

I think my response then was tied to having the set of values handed to me--one that suggested that good people did not engage in such activities for money. So perhaps it became a question of whether a person was abandoning good behavior (as defined by society) for money, and how easily would they abandon something else for money.

I then met some persons who had different values and views, were kinder and more trustworthy than the average person, and became my friends. I saw that there are different kinds of persons who enter these professions, different motivations, and different perspectives about sexuality and the respective profession itself. You have persons who enjoy what they are doing (enjoying performance and assuming a role, costumes, sensuality, and sexuality) and feel good about what they do. You have persons who dislike and think wrong what they are doing and are doing it only for money, which affects how they see themselves and their clients.

I am sure there are persons in these professions who bring the profession a bad name. There are people everywhere who would unethically exploit others for their own gain. Professions along the lines of professional domination and adult dancing can provide an avenue to such persons. As I type these words, I am thinking of a documentary that showed a dancer who took pride in her ability to spot and drain the wallets of lonely men by pretending to like them as a man until they ran out of money. And I am thinking of a professional domme whom I consider very unethical and one with no interest in the well being of her clients. I think money and greed have potential to bring out the worst in people. My hunch says persons with genuine intentions are outnumbered by those with less than genuine intentions in professional domination. For this reason, if the only information I knew about a person was their profession, I would feel more comfortable with most traditional professions (NTB mechanics and used car salesmen being some of the exceptions ;-) ). In practice, there is more to a person than the profession alone, and I think the whole forms a better basis for how to feel about a person.

Cheers,

Sea

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RE: Opnions On Pro Domme's - 9/26/2006 8:39:21 PM   
NINASHARP


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ORIGINAL: Najakcharmer

quote:

ORIGINAL: NINASHARP
Well it wasn't too hard for me to find her real name, location and phone number, if you want I can notify the proper authorities, but without knowing a true crime has been committed wouldn't it be better to try to educate her then condemn her?


Outing people is wrong and should not be done unless there is clear evidence that harmful acts are being committed.   At this point I'm concerned that this may be the case, but none of us know at this point.  I did want to make the point that blackmail was definitely not a part of our lifestyle, and it would be best if people who were talking about a consensual fantasy scenario could make that clear.



You are right, so I'll leave it alone for now.  As always, you make very good points. Especially bout the blackmail scenario, its not cool and unless consensual, should not be common practice of BDSM, prodomme or not!

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RE: Opnions On Pro Domme's - 9/26/2006 8:40:42 PM   
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It has just been brought to my attention that i obviously have a clone once again. This princessacandy chic is NOT the real princess candy .. Almost all the contact information on their is not consistent with the information on the website.. I must apologize for the behaviors of this clone but once again please be advised that the person speaking is not the real princess candy. I have been readign though the posts and i am in schock over some of the comments on here. For one thing i NEVER practice real time blackmail it is always fantasy .. Do not get the wrong message on me and for the future reference i never come into these forums.. I think i have maybe one time but thats it.. Take Care All..!!!

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RE: Opnions On Pro Domme's - 9/26/2006 8:40:55 PM   
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Yes, I've had the same situation come up and have done a few fantasies in this neck of the woods.  My solution was to go ahead and do the fantasy, but to not use real money in order to avoid exactly the potential consequences you have so thoughtfully outlined.

Monopoly money works fine for the purposes of fantasies about blackmail and prostitution when one or both players is concerned about protecting themselves from issues down the road.  Or I'd demand that he sign over his house and car to me, pay me absurd sums, etc, but the "legal papers" and "checks" he signed were not real. 

Is it actually illegal to play out a blackmail or prostitution scenario using real money?  I guess that would vary depending on what state you lived in.  I wouldn't consider it unethical if everyone was fully consenting to the exchange, with the so-called "victim" actively soliciting this scenario.  But Morgynn is one smart lady and has described in detail the shit that can hit the fan as a result of doing this.

I wouldn't do it, and I also wouldn't call the cops on someone who was just playing out another person's fully consensual and actively requested fantasy even if real money was involved.  I would warn them that they were being stupid and inviting real trouble for themselves.

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RE: Opnions On Pro Domme's - 9/26/2006 8:50:11 PM   
NINASHARP


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ORIGINAL: LadyMorgynn

I've had guys contact me with an interest in blackmail.... an apparently sincere interest.  And I alwasy turn them down.  First because I have NO interest in blackmail.  And even if I did... and he gave me information to blackmail him with.  Let's say that, later on, months or a year, or any time he either got tired, or his wife or g/f found out, or he was suddenly sorry tht he'd given away whatever he had given me... how the HELL could I prove that it was consensual???  I mean, even if I have the original emails and so forth, the FACT is that I still blackmailed him.  Going to court I'd probably be exonerated, but that would depend on WHERE in the country adn the general liberality or not of the legal system there, plus I'd have to spend LOADS of money on legal counsel, and then there's the whole publicity aspect.  Wow!  There is no FREAKIN' way I would ever travel that road!  I personally think anyone who does is nuts, and just asking for trouble, but that's just my opinion :)


Well, you are a very trusting individual LadyMorgynn. A part of being a professional or even lifestyle Domina would mean that one would/could have access to certain information that may not be privy to anyone other then their partner. IMO, Trusting someone in this manner is essential. Imagine if you had been the vengeful type and how many innocent lives would be harmed, including your own for having yourself in the type of situation you described.

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RE: Opnions On Pro Domme's - 9/26/2006 8:50:52 PM   
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also i would appreciate if sombody could inform me on how to get this post and this princessacandy profile deleted... thank you

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RE: Opnions On Pro Domme's - 9/26/2006 8:57:54 PM   
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I would suggest asking politely for a moderator's attention, and explaining the situation.  

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RE: Opnions On Pro Domme's - 9/26/2006 8:58:32 PM   
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ORIGINAL: GoddessCandi

It has just been brought to my attention that i obviously have a clone once again. This princessacandy chic is NOT the real princess candy .. Almost all the contact information on their is not consistent with the information on the website.. I must apologize for the behaviors of this clone but once again please be advised that the person speaking is not the real princess candy. I have been readign though the posts and i am in schock over some of the comments on here. For one thing i NEVER practice real time blackmail it is always fantasy .. Do not get the wrong message on me and for the future reference i never come into these forums.. I think i have maybe one time but thats it.. Take Care All..!!!



Oh, forgive me but I just HAVE to laugh! 

Funny...looking at your profile and the 'OP''s' profile, I notice you're both in Raleigh, NC.  Hummm.  And I also noticed how similar your stats are.  Hummm.  And I see that this is your first post and your profile is pending approval.  Hummm.  Coincidence?  Somehow I doubt it.  Seems to me you're pretty well busted! 

Good luck with your 'new' identity. 

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RE: Opnions On Pro Domme's - 9/26/2006 8:59:45 PM   
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hold up look @ the date my profile was created......... 

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RE: Opnions On Pro Domme's - 9/26/2006 9:00:40 PM   
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also i would appreciate if sombody could inform me on how to get this post and this princessacandy profile deleted... thank you


Guess this little thread of yours caught you by surprise huh? 

Btw, why on Earth would you be interested in knowing how to delete another users profile?  Unless of course, you created it. 

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RE: Opnions On Pro Domme's - 9/26/2006 9:01:59 PM   
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hmm im not sure why there was stars in my last post.. I have had this profile since january.. Please Look. And im not sure that you understand : I have had problems with a clone.. This clone made an identical yahoo profile to mine... But used the id : badlillcupcake.. Trying to steal my submissives. 

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RE: Opnions On Pro Domme's - 9/26/2006 9:05:03 PM   
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I cannot believe how rude you are being.. I want this clone's profile deleted. Are you  not smart enough to see that this princessacandy chic is not the real princess and would make her's idential to mine to try and steal my submissives... Just compare the info on her profile to the information on my website.. Then thnk about it then apologize.

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RE: Opnions On Pro Domme's - 9/26/2006 9:06:14 PM   
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I want it deleted for the simple fact that everything posted is not my words... Not my thoughts and mainly not me.

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RE: Opnions On Pro Domme's - 9/26/2006 9:07:46 PM   
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also right under my picture to the lef of my words in the date i joined.. YOU idiot.. This is the last im posting into this topic.. Most people will be able to understand what is going on. Thanks for your time.

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